Airstrike kills Jundullah chief in Kunduz, Afghanistan

[Samandri]

http://newsweekpakistan.com/militant-commander-declares-war-on-pakistan-army/

The Haqqani network has always been composed primarily of Afghans, so your claim of Haqqani fighters being brought back to Torkham for burial, outside of a few cases, doesn't ring true. .

Are you sure? (I am not from Torkham, i said they were brought via Torkham route to their native villages, before that North-Waziristan route was in use)

LAKKI MARWAT: The bodies of three militants who were among those killed in a clash with the Afghan forces near Pakistan border were laid to rest in their respective villages here on Tuesday, sources said.

The slain militants were identified as Khalid, son of Naseem Khan belonging to Michan khel locality, Inamullah, son of Injar Gul, hailing from Khoidad khel and Rizwanullah, son of Muhammad Khan, resident of Minakhel locality in Lakki town.

Their bodies were shifted to their respective localities where their collective funeral was offered at 9:30pm in the Eidgah located on the old Kutchehry road.

3 militants killed in Afghanistan buried in Lakki Marwat - thenews.com.pk

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Are you sure? (I am not from Torkham, i said they were brought via Torkham route to their native villages, before that North-Waziristan route was in use)

LAKKI MARWAT: The bodies of three militants who were among those killed in a clash with the Afghan forces near Pakistan border were laid to rest in their respective villages here on Tuesday, sources said.

The slain militants were identified as Khalid, son of Naseem Khan belonging to Michan khel locality, Inamullah, son of Injar Gul, hailing from Khoidad khel and Rizwanullah, son of Muhammad Khan, resident of Minakhel locality in Lakki town.

Their bodies were shifted to their respective localities where their collective funeral was offered at 9:30pm in the Eidgah located on the old Kutchehry road.

3 militants killed in Afghanistan buried in Lakki Marwat - thenews.com.pk

What do you mean 'am I sure'? The link I have you is from Newsweek and quotes a well respected Pashtun Journalist, Rahimullah Yusufzai, who has reported on FATA and the Taliban for at least a decade.

The link you provided makes no reference to the 3 slain militants being members of the Haqqani network and no reference to any 'collaboration' on the part of the PA merely because of the fact that the bodies of 3 dead Pakistanis were brought back to Pakistan for burial.

 

[graphican]

Was killing of these terrorists a precondition before Pakistan would mediate talks between Afghanistan and Afghan Taliban? In the TV programs, it was told that through a third country, Afghan Government has asked Pakistan to mediate and start the talks again.

Won't be surprised if Afghanistan was asked to give these terrorists up before they are helped again.

 

[Samandri]

The link you provided makes no reference to the 3 slain militants being members of the Haqqani network .

Hint::A member here attended the funeral of 3 slains. Kehte hain key aqalmand key liye ishara kafi hey, muje ziada roshni dalney ki zarorat nahi. About Rahimullah Yusfuzai and Saleem Safi, they have to heavily filter sensitive information. Same is the case with local FATA journalists, ....The media blackout in FATA, has one thousand reasons. Much is excluded from media reports. But lets not dive deep into the matter, what i am claiming, are on the basis of published media reports, you want another dose?,
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MIRAMSHAH, Oct 14: Four militants were killed and two others injured when missiles fired by a US drone hit a car in Shahzadkot area of North Waziristan on Friday.

On Thursday, 10 militants, including a top commander of the Haqqani group, were killed in two attacks on targets in North and South Waziristan.

Sources said that in Friday’s attack the car was hit when it was about to leave a residential compound.

The car caught fire and its four occupants were killed. Two bystanders were injured.—Pazir Gul Agencies add: Earlier on Friday, two militants killed in a drone attack on Thursday were buried in Lakki Marwat. About 2,000 supporters attended the funeral of one of the men, Maulana Iftikhar.

They included Arab militants and a lawmaker from the country’s largest opposition party.

Maulana Iftikhar was head of a seminary in Miramshah, and hailed from Lakki Marwat. Local people said he was involved in ‘jihad’ in Afghanistan. “Maulana Iftikhar is a martyr and we warn America to immediately stop these drone attacks,’’ said Ahmed Jan Qureshi, a local leader of Jamiat Ulema Islam.

“America should realise that these attacks are fanning hatred against it, and see these thousands of people who are here to attend the funeral of a martyr.’’

Scores of armed men and some Arabs lined up to perform prayers. Also present was Munawar Khan, the town’s local lawmaker and a member of the party of former prime minister Nawaz Sharif. He declined to speak to media.

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So me living under the rock is not the case, i have just turned my head and looking other way, just arguing with you on the basis of published media reports while withholding lot of things .

 

[haviZsultan]

Have you ever done anything for the country Samandri other than complain?

 

[Samandri]

Have you ever done anything for the country Samandri other than complain?

A lot. A tax payer, law abiding citizen, not involved in crimes or terrorism or corruption, contributing towards humanity and lot more.........

If by contribution, you mean painting my face green, waving green flag at my car or bike on 14th august......thats type of contribution , i have not done for quite a long time, used to do it when i was a kid. I consider the policy of good and bad Taliban by Pakistani military, to be injurious to my qaum. The haqqani militant is harmless individual in Hangu but he is blowing up people in volleyball match in Afghanistan. I think any sensible human being would agree with me on this..

 

[Menace2Society]

A lot. A tax payer, law abiding citizen, not involved in crimes or terrorism or corruption, contributing towards humanity and lot more.........

If by contribution, you mean painting my face green, waving green flag at my car or bike on 14th august......thats type of contribution , i have not done for quite a long time, used to do it when i was a kid. I consider the policy of good and bad Taliban by Pakistani military, to be injurious to my qaum. The haqqani militant is harmless individual in Hangu but he is blowing up people in volleyball match in Afghanistan. I think any sensible human being would agree with me on this..

You should be sent to Kabul for an educational visit.

You will discover its not Pakistan, Iran, or India, or any other boogeyman which has destroyed Afghanistan. Its Afghans themselves that are turning on each other. You can't teach an old dog new tricks and Afghanistan is like the universe. A constant repetition of the big bang decade after decade after decade.

You want to help your Afghan brothers. Focus on changing their outlook on life and learn some humanity. If its not the Pashtun militias massacring its Northern Alliance child molesting warlords f**king shit up. They are one big mess.

Wouldn't it be a lovely day the day they put down their weapons and just learn to love? Or is the boogeyman big bad ISI stopping this utopian dream coming true?

 

[SP!TF!R3]

Airstrike kills Jundullah chief in Kunduz, Afghanistan - thenews.com.pk

TTP leaders are killed in Afghanistan
Daesh leaders are killed in Afghanistan
Jundullah leaders are killed in Afghanistan.

But as per Bharati and Afghan logic Afghan taliban need Pakistani territory to carry out attacks in Afghanistan.

OBL and Mullah Omar died in Pakistan..

US drones mounted thousands strikes in Pakistan..

 

[Max Pain]

OBL and Mullah Omar died in Pakistan..

US drones mounted thousands strikes in Pakistan..

what do you do to the most wanted terrorist in the world,
you claim that you killed him and expect the whole world to believe it.

just like those non existent nukes in Iraq.

 

[SP!TF!R3]

what do you do to the most wanted terrorist in the world,
you claim that you killed him and expect the whole world to believe it.

just like those non existent nukes in Iraq.

me???

I'm a citizen of Republic of India..you should be asking this question to your sugar daddy USA I suppose..

meanwhile,I wonder why that Stealth Helo was crashed in that compound then..

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

US drones mounted thousands strikes in Pakistan..

And the drone strikes have gone down to barely one or two a month, which essentially supports the Pakistani government's assertion that Zarb-e-Azb has dislodged both TTP and Afghan Taliban/Haqqani fighters from FATA.

Hint::A member here attended the funeral of 3 slains. Kehte hain key aqalmand key liye ishara kafi hey, muje ziada roshni dalney ki zarorat nahi. About Rahimullah Yusfuzai and Saleem Safi, they have to heavily filter sensitive information. Same is the case with local FATA journalists, ....The media blackout in FATA, has one thousand reasons. Much is excluded from media reports. But lets not dive deep into the matter, what i am claiming, are on the basis of published media reports, you want another dose?,
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You need to read my post again, but I'll restate - 'even if these 3 fighters were Haqqani network members from Pakistan who died in Afghanistan, the State has an obligation to assist in the transportation of dead bodies to Pakistan for burial by their families. The death of 3, or a dozen, or a couple of dozen fighters allegedly fighting for the Haqqanis does not change the fact that the Haqqani's are an Afghan group and have primarily recruited from their tribes.

In addition, nothing you have provided so far contradicts the point I made earlier, supported by Rahimullah Yusufzai's comments, that Gul Bahadur was the major leader in North Waziristan providing both sanctuary and military support to the Haqqanis, while also carrying out attacks by his faction of the Taliban against Afghan and NATO targets in Afghanistan.

Now unless Rahimullah Yusufzai is lying outright, his comments support my contention that Gul Bahadur was a key ally of the Haqqanis and perpetrator of attacks in Afghanistan. Pakistan's Zarb-e-Azb neutralized Gul Bahadur and dismantled his network, to the point that GB escaped to Afghanistan and threatened NW residents to shelter in Afghanistan instead of Pakistani IDP camps.

What the action against Gul Bahadur shows is that Pakistan took demonstrable action against a key Haqqani and Afghan Taliban ally and a group independently guilty of carrying out attacks in Afghanistan. So to argue, as you did, that Pakistan has done nothing against the Haqqanis is false just by this one example of action against Gul Bahadur.

 

[Max Pain]

me???

I'm a citizen of Republic of India..you should be asking this question to your sugar daddy USA I suppose..

meanwhile,I wonder why that Stealth Helo was crashed in that compound then..

yes the whole world did but then again the USA asked the whole world to believe it cuz USA said so.
the citizen of Republic of India sure fell for it.

 

[Samandri]

And the drone strikes have gone down to barely one or two a month, which essentially supports the Pakistani government's assertion that Zarb-e-Azb has dislodged both TTP and Afghan Taliban/Haqqani fighters from FATA.

You need to read my post again, but I'll restate - 'even if these 3 fighters were Haqqani network members from Pakistan who died in Afghanistan, the State has an obligation to assist in the transportation of dead bodies to Pakistan for burial by their families. The death of 3, or a dozen, or a couple of dozen fighters allegedly fighting for the Haqqanis does not change the fact that the Haqqani's are an Afghan group and have primarily recruited from their tribes.

In addition, nothing you have provided so far contradicts the point I made earlier, supported by Rahimullah Yusufzai's comments, that Gul Bahadur was the major leader in North Waziristan providing both sanctuary and military support to the Haqqanis, while also carrying out attacks by his faction of the Taliban against Afghan and NATO targets in Afghanistan.

Now unless Rahimullah Yusufzai is lying outright, his comments support my contention that Gul Bahadur was a key ally of the Haqqanis and perpetrator of attacks in Afghanistan. Pakistan's Zarb-e-Azb neutralized Gul Bahadur and dismantled his network, to the point that GB escaped to Afghanistan and threatened NW residents to shelter in Afghanistan instead of Pakistani IDP camps.

What the action against Gul Bahadur shows is that Pakistan took demonstrable action against a key Haqqani and Afghan Taliban ally and a group independently guilty of carrying out attacks in Afghanistan. So to argue, as you did, that Pakistan has done nothing against the Haqqanis is false just by this one example of action against Gul Bahadur.

What if i tell you that Haqqani network also consider TTP as spiritual ally (and operational ally n Afghanistan)?......Haqqani network and alqaida maintains relationship with every pakistani Taliban group whether it is TTP , Wana groups of late mullah nazir , Hafiz Gul Bahadur etc. They are non natives so they stay that way (by non-native i mean their leadership which is zadran), they only involve themselves as role of mediators.

Action against Gul Bahadur was not action against Haqqani network........they are two separate organizations. Haqqani network never interfered whenever action against Gul Bahadur has taken place. And Gul Bahadur group is not ousted from Datta Khel, Maulvi Aleem Khan has struck a peace deal with Pakistan army.

And you have very superficial grasp of the whole situation, you are in mood of provingprovning me wrong as if it is some kind of debate competition, thats why you failed to notice the hint i am giving you when i posted some news reports

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

@Areesh @Samandri @HRK @Color_Less_Sky @chhota bheem

Apparently this 'Jundullah' group has nothing to do with the Pakistani or Iranian Jundullah groups, and is an Afghan based and focused group.

The NDS reported in a statement on its Facebook page that Qari Ghulam Hazrat, who led “one of the largest terrorist networks in the province,” was killed in an airstrike in Chahar Dara district. Hazrat was also described as “one of the key individuals in the war against the security forces in Kunduz.” Also killed in the strike was his deputy, Ammar, and three other members of the group.....

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Jundallah is a wing of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan that fled North Waziristan during the Pakistani military offensive that began in June 2014, according to Nasra Hassan, a terrorism expert. There are two other Jundallahs that operate in the region: one in Pakistan, and another in Iran.

The Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan joined the Islamic State on Aug. 6, but it is unclear if all of the group’s followers followed the lead of their emir, Utham Ghazi. Hazrat appears to have remained loyal to the Taliban and al Qaeda. The Islamic State has battled the Taliban in Nangarhar and Helmand provinces, but the IMU has not clashed with the Taliban in the Afghan north.
Jundallah emir killed in northern Afghanistan, NDS claims | The Long War Journal

.Haqqani network and alqaida maintains relationship with every pakistani Taliban group whether it is TTP , Wana groups of late mullah nazir , Hafiz Gul Bahadur etc.

Of course they do, what other explanation for the extremely strong presence of the TTP in North Waziristan would there be? How else would the significant reduction in terrorism in Pakistan, after the offensive in North Waziristan, be possible if Gul Bahadur was not provided sanctuary and support to the TTP?

And there have been plenty of reports of the Haqqanis sitting on TTP Shura meetings, supposedly to convince them to end their campaign inside Pakistan. The fact that the TTP has its own close connections with the NDS apparently wasn't considered a threat by the Haqqanis.

Action against Gul Bahadur was not action against Haqqani network........they are two separate organizations. Haqqani network never interfered whenever action against Gul Bahadur has taken place. And Gul Bahadur group is not ousted from Datta Khel, Maulvi Aleem Khan has struck a peace deal with Pakistan army.

You don't get it - from a military perspective what a combatant force needs is territory/sanctuary from which to organize, recruit, train and launch operations. Gul Bhadur controlled the majority of the territory the Haqqanis operated from. Once that territory was overrun, whether the Haqqanis were warned to run off or forced to run off doesn't make a difference - they lost their 'sanctuary' and they lost their 'protector'. Whether the Haqqani leadership relocated to Quetta, Karachi or a 7 star hotel in Dubai is irrelevant and insignificant from a military perspective. What they need is territory for their battlefield commanders and fighters, and access to that territory has been severely restricted to them.

And you have very superficial grasp of the whole situation, you are in mood of provingprovning me wrong as if it is some kind of debate competition, thats why you failed to notice the hint i am giving you when i posted some news reports

I understand the situation - what you don't seem to understand is the impact, to an insurgent group, of losing territory and a local 'protector' (Gul Bahadur).

 

[Areesh]

@Areesh @Samandri @HRK @Color_Less_Sky @chhota bheem

Apparently this 'Jundullah' group has nothing to do with the Pakistani or Iranian Jundullah groups, and is an Afghan based and focused group.

Humm. But still it is the same thing. Afghan specific Jundullah uses Afghan territory to attack Afghanistan but Afghan specific Taliban needs Pakistani territory to attack Afghanistan. Screw logic.