Aircraft Profile : Saeghe

[Siavash]

lol . babak taghvaie is a shit-head . no worries here

I am not so sure about that. I hope so. I was excited to hear of its development. What Babak has written is either true or he is very capable writer who knows the ins and out of how business is conducted in governmental agencies in iran. He has written a book on F-5 and possibly has his own sources.

The problem is, they tell so many lies that despite your wish to believe them you can never trust them 100%. This is not what an Islamic or religious entity should look like and its not on military aspect only, that you can say they are fooling the enemy. It is everywhere, from Saeed Mortazavi trial to every other major issue. I wish one person out of the Iranian aviation industry comes out and clarifies his allegations. Anyway AFM is not a peanuts magazine to ignore.

We just need truth in every aspect and if that is done then we can really excel and grow otherwise we will see on paper everything is marvelous but in reality we are in deep trouble. Just the truth my friend. That is not too much to ask from people who claim they are the hand of God on the earth! Do I make sense?

 

[Arminkh]

I wanted to ask Irani members here for some days, why they don't like Taghvee?

It it the difference between productive criticism and one that is out of hatred.

Let's face it. There is no way that every single member of an 80 million society love the government but that lack of affiliation shouldn't make them discredit that nation's achievements. This is a disagreement between family members you don't let your neighbors know that you are not in good terms and you don't take it to the media.

People like Mr. Taghvaee are like that. They are for some reason at odds with how Iran is run and then only see negativity. I don't mind his story here but statements like :"instead of meeting IRIAF needs,......" without suggesting any credible alternative is just useless nagging. Iran's defense industry has been accommodating IRIAF's needs to the best of its ability under sanctions. The fact that they have kept these old fighters operational is the biggest clue. He disregards the fact that IRIAF has long been at the bottom of Iran's defense priority list. Without money and serious attention from the leaders, I'd say any move should be praised. They definitely did something and learned a lot during this project and according to the above were realistic enough to stop it when they decided the changes were not as effective as the wished. I think they all should be praised for what they did.

That's why I personally don't like him and likes of him.

I am not so sure about that. I hope so. I was excited to hear of its development. What Babak has written is either true or he is very capable writer who knows the ins and out of how business is conducted in governmental agencies in iran. He has written a book on F-5 and possibly has his own sources.

The problem is, they tell so many lies that despite your wish to believe them you can never trust them 100%. This is not what an Islamic or religious entity should look like and its not on military aspect only, that you can say they are fooling the enemy. It is everywhere, from Saeed Mortazavi trial to every other major issue. I wish one person out of the Iranian aviation industry comes out and clarifies his allegations. Anyway AFM is not a peanuts magazine to ignore.

We just need truth in every aspect and if that is done then we can really excel and grow otherwise we will see on paper everything is marvelous but in reality we are in deep trouble. Just the truth my friend. That is not too much to ask from people who claim they are the hand of God on the earth! Do I make sense?

You shouldn't expect truthfulness from anyone when it comes to military and security of a nation. Propaganda is as powerful a weapon in war as anything else. All nations do it even USA. As long as you propaganda doesn't fool your own leaders, then you are ok.