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Egypt was an example... take which ever other country you like which is technologically inferior ...and oh yeah a peace treaty b/w arabs and israel that's a strong one haha.

LoL... So you come to attack mounting troops on border on three sides and we should wait for you to attack??? and again who attacked Israel in 73 !!?? Now you've lost my respect...

Well Arab-Israeli Peace treaty is way stronger than India-Pakistan's don't you think... Since the threaty nothing has happened so far.. but look at the Indo-Pak border.
 
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LoL... So you come to attack mounting troops on border on three sides and we should wait for you to attack??? and again who attacked Israel in 73 !!?? Now you've lost my respect...

Well Arab-Israeli Peace treaty is way stronger than India-Pakistan's don't you think... Since the threaty nothing has happened so far.. but look at the Indo-Pak border.


I am actually flattered that you once had respect for me. I had none for you though because I knew you post on threads just because you can with no actual meaning behind like shooting in the sea hoping to get a dead fish.

You actually proved my point for 73. There was some peace treaty before the sudden surprise attack by arab coalition too. I like how you shoot yourself in the foot.

Indo-Pak is a different animal, just empty, paper bag threats by India to appease the frustrated population. LoC type incidents happen in a lot of places in the world not just India and Pak.
 
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I am actually flattered that you once had respect for me. I had none for you though because I knew you post on threads just because you can with no actual meaning behind like shooting in the sea hoping to get a dead fish.

You actually proved my point for 73. There was some peace treaty before the sudden surprise attack too. I like how you shoot yourself in the foot.

Indo-Pak is a different animal, just empty, paper bag threats by India to appease the frustrated population. LoC type incidents happen in a lot of places in the world not just India and Pak.

Always respect your opponent.. And never care if they don't respect.. frankly i don't give a Sh!...

LoL... Why don't you go and check for yourself about the peace treaty before 73's war!!! there were none but a ceasefire agreement. after the six days war the humiliated arabs didn't sign any peace accord. all the muslims joint together to hate Israel more....

yes with this knowledge you're poking me.. well first go and learn about Israel-Arab conflicts and come and talk to me byeeee. Untill then don't quote me

LoL.. Empty and paperback.. where Pakistan talk about Using nukes on India Every week.. while never ending saga of Pakistani PM runing here and there on Kashmir issue (knowing it'l never be solved) to hide its failure from Public.. dude your obsession with Israel and India will only harm your interests.. take a look at your country's position now.. A little Advice drop your hatred and work towards the future. Improve your economy then with no failure you won't be able to blame any one
 
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Surprised by a situation as unexpected and probably not prepared for a dogfight with one of the best Russian multipurpose fighters, Israeli pilots have quickly turned back South at high speed over the Lebanon. "

I doubt this part, neither the Israelis would have been surprised nor they were unprepared for the dogfight. Simple is they did not wanted an incident which can cause problems in the international arena. Thus they simply turned and went for their own country.

Exactly. I would venture a guess that they intended to make their presence felt rather than getting into a knife fight.
 
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It tells you that how cowards the Israelis are, you only need a stone to scare the shit out of them. If it wasn't the US full support they would have never stood stable in that region for even a day.

Hi,

There is more to that----the arabs were no match for the Russian and polish jews----specially the Russian----those guys are ruthless people---the American support came later
 
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Always respect your opponent.. And never care if they don't respect.. frankly i don't give a Sh!...

LoL... Why don't you go and check for yourself about the peace treaty before 73's war!!! there were none but a ceasefire agreement. after the six days war the humiliated arabs didn't sign any peace accord. all the muslims joint together to hate Israel more....

yes with this knowledge you're poking me.. well first go and learn about Israel-Arab conflicts and come and talk to me byeeee. Untill then don't quote me

LoL.. Empty and paperback.. where Pakistan talk about Using nukes on India Every week.. while never ending saga of Pakistani PM runing here and there on Kashmir issue (knowing it'l never be solved) to hide its failure from Public.. dude your obsession with Israel and India will only harm your interests.. take a look at your country's position now.. A little Advice drop your hatred and work towards the future. Improve your economy then with no failure you won't be able to blame any one

Come out of your Bollywood drama and on to topic. Not interested in catchy cliches ruined for your own interests.

Ceasefire is agreed upon by both sides thus its a treaty (A treaty is an agreement under international law entered into by actors in international law, namely sovereign states and international organizations.). This treaty for peace is a peace treaty. But enough of Isarel and Arabs, I gave an example but you couldn't see past the point, I offered to pick any country of your liking but you still remained in the gutter. I dont know how I can help you there.

Funny you should talk of threats b/w India and Pakistan. Almost everyday there is a public figure moron from India wishing to attack Pakistan. And then there are those cold, warm, mild, or rand (temp) start threats by your skeleton looking chief. I like how one overused response (which most of us look as a political trolling) of nukes can settle you bozos down.

On topic,

Before or during or in future of this incident, russia also went in turkey "mistakenly" and had locked on 2 F-16s. Give me an example of a modern war where both sides have been equal in terms of technology. None, because of fear its not gonna be similar to throwing a ton of payload from thousands of feet high safe from rocks throwers. Thus the skedaddle. And lay off that "hate this and that". I am talking of facts to decipher this puzzle.
 
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Hi,

There is more to that----the arabs were no match for the Russian and polish jews----specially the Russian----those guys are ruthless people---the American support came later

Here in states you also might have noticed that most pure science research labs have overwhelming proportion of ashkenazi jews !
 
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Come out of your Bollywood drama and on to topic. Not interested in catchy cliches ruined for your own interests.

Ceasefire is agreed upon by both sides thus its a treaty (A treaty is an agreement under international law entered into by actors in international law, namely sovereign states and international organizations.). This treaty for peace is a peace treaty. But enough of Isarel and Arabs, I gave an example but you couldn't see past the point, I offered to pick any country of your liking but you still remained in the gutter. I dont know how I can help you there.

Funny you should talk of threats b/w India and Pakistan. Almost everyday there is a public figure moron from India wishing to attack Pakistan. And then there are those cold, warm, mild, or rand (temp) start threats by your skeleton looking chief. I like how one overused response (which most of us look as a political trolling) of nukes can settle you bozos down.

On topic,

Before or during or in future of this incident, russia also went in turkey "mistakenly" and had locked on 2 F-16s. Give me an example of a modern war where both sides have been equal in terms of technology. None, because of fear its not gonna be similar to throwing a ton of payload from thousands of feet high safe from rocks throwers. Thus the skedaddle. And lay off that "hate this and that". I am talking of facts to decipher this puzzle.

Please go and learn the deference b/t peace treaty and Ceasefire agreement... i've not read rest of your post.. i don't need to
 
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Please go and learn the deference b/t peace treaty and Ceasefire agreement... i've not read rest of your post.. i don't need to


I quoted you the definition of it which even included the word agreement in it.

I guess your ammo ran out or maybe its like how your former chief used to say, full of duds. haha.

And I know you have read it. Just have nothing to respond with, take that ugly face, shot foot, and tarnished reputation outta here.
 
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Russian intervention in Syria is a good thing.

Just look at this band of thugs led the West! Under what legal authority and international law Israeli planes were trying to fly into Syria? It just shows the crisis in Syria is manufactured to create space for countries like Israel to expand their influence and mischief.
You actually don't know a) if they were intending to enter Syrian airspace and b) if they actually did (or have, recently). They can fly to 12 nmi off the coast, no questions asked. Russian aircraft enter US air space at the Alaskan coast (i.e. go within 12nmi zone).
 
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Link? And how many did the israelis shot down, coz as far know all the 6 arab countries lost warin 6. days. Did they lose because of your pilots?

Alright mate let me explain this to you, Pakistan's Air Force did not directly took part into Arab Israel War. During October 1973 Israel’s Yom Kippur war on its Arab neighboring countries – A squadron of Pakistan’s Pakistan Air Force (PAF) as a volunteer arrived in Syria to fight alongside the SAF and halt the Israeli advance over the Golan Heights. The PAF pilots Sattar Alvi and Arif Mansoor, engaged and shot down an Israeli F-4 Phantom over Egyptian airspace. Another dogfight between the PAF and IAF over Syrian airspace came to a memorable end with Pakistan obliterating the Israeli Mirage IICJ flown by M. Lutz with air-to-air missiles. This was enough to convince other Israeli fighter planes to bug out and abort all further incursions into Syria.

Other Pakistani pilots who joined Syrian force as volunteers included future Air Marshal Nur Khan, Salem Metla, Shahbaz Khan, Wisaam Faris and Wisaam Shuja’at. Late President of Syria Hafiz Assad awarded two of the pilots country’s highest decorations for gallantry.

Pakistani air force states that all its 12 volunteer pilots scored direct hits against Israeli aircraft and suffered no losses. During the 1973 war, Flt. Lt. A. Sattar Alvi became the first Pakistani pilot, flying a Syrian aircraft to shoot down an Israeli Mirage in air combat. Similarly on the Egyptian front, PAF pilot Flt. Lt. M. Hatif , flying an Egyptian MiG-21 shot down an Israeli F-4 phantom in an air combat. Pakistani Air Force did not lose a single pilot or aircraft in any of the wars.

he Arab-Israel War - 1967
During this war, PAF sent a contingent of its pilots and airmen to Egypt, Jordan and Syria. PAF pilots performed excellently and downed about 10 Israeli planes including Mirages, Mysteres, Vautours without losing a single plane of their own. Flt.Lt. Saif-ul-Azam was decorated by Jordan and Iraq. The performance of PAF pilots was praised by Israelis too. Eizer Weizman, then Chief Of Israeli Air Force said once about Air Marshal Noor Khan (Commander PAF at that time): "...He is a formidable person and I am glad that he is Pakistani not Egyptian..." On 07 June 1967 Flight Lieutenant Saiful Azam, PAF, destroyed an Israeli Mirage in Iraq. In his second encounter with Israelis in the Middle East, he despatched one of the Mirages that were escorting the Israeli Vatour bombers. Moments later, he shot down one of the two escaping Vatour bombers. Two days earlier he had shot down an Israeli Super Mystere over Mafrak Air Base, Jordan. The officer was decorated with gallantry awards after the war both by Jordan and Iraq. He had already earned Sitara-i-Jurat during the 65 war when he shot down an Indian Gnat.

The Arab air forces were aided by volunteer pilots the Pakistan Air Force acting in independent capacity, and by some aircraft from Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia to make up for the massive losses suffered on the first day of the war. The PAF Pilots shot down several Israeli planes. (Arab Israeli War



50 years on: Memories of the 1973 Arab-Israeli Conflict - The Express Tribune

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/08/01/229723.html

Pakistan Air Force Combat Experience

A SALUTE TO THE PAKISTAN AIR FORCE-A FIGHTER PILOT REMEMBERS

Arab Israeli War

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Alright mate let me explain this to you, Pakistan's Air Force did not directly took part into Arab Israel War. During October 1973 Israel’s Yom Kippur war on its Arab neighboring countries – A squadron of Pakistan’s Pakistan Air Force (PAF) as a volunteer arrived in Syria to fight alongside the SAF and halt the Israeli advance over the Golan Heights. The PAF pilots Sattar Alvi and Arif Mansoor, engaged and shot down an Israeli F-4 Phantom over Egyptian airspace. Another dogfight between the PAF and IAF over Syrian airspace came to a memorable end with Pakistan obliterating the Israeli Mirage IICJ flown by M. Lutz with air-to-air missiles. This was enough to convince other Israeli fighter planes to bug out and abort all further incursions into Syria.

Other Pakistani pilots who joined Syrian force as volunteers included future Air Marshal Nur Khan, Salem Metla, Shahbaz Khan, Wisaam Faris and Wisaam Shuja’at. Late President of Syria Hafiz Assad awarded two of the pilots country’s highest decorations for gallantry.

Pakistani air force states that all its 12 volunteer pilots scored direct hits against Israeli aircraft and suffered no losses. During the 1973 war, Flt. Lt. A. Sattar Alvi became the first Pakistani pilot, flying a Syrian aircraft to shoot down an Israeli Mirage in air combat. Similarly on the Egyptian front, PAF pilot Flt. Lt. M. Hatif , flying an Egyptian MiG-21 shot down an Israeli F-4 phantom in an air combat. Pakistani Air Force did not lose a single pilot or aircraft in any of the wars.

he Arab-Israel War - 1967
During this war, PAF sent a contingent of its pilots and airmen to Egypt, Jordan and Syria. PAF pilots performed excellently and downed about 10 Israeli planes including Mirages, Mysteres, Vautours without losing a single plane of their own. Flt.Lt. Saif-ul-Azam was decorated by Jordan and Iraq. The performance of PAF pilots was praised by Israelis too. Eizer Weizman, then Chief Of Israeli Air Force said once about Air Marshal Noor Khan (Commander PAF at that time): "...He is a formidable person and I am glad that he is Pakistani not Egyptian..." On 07 June 1967 Flight Lieutenant Saiful Azam, PAF, destroyed an Israeli Mirage in Iraq. In his second encounter with Israelis in the Middle East, he despatched one of the Mirages that were escorting the Israeli Vatour bombers. Moments later, he shot down one of the two escaping Vatour bombers. Two days earlier he had shot down an Israeli Super Mystere over Mafrak Air Base, Jordan. The officer was decorated with gallantry awards after the war both by Jordan and Iraq. He had already earned Sitara-i-Jurat during the 65 war when he shot down an Indian Gnat.

The Arab air forces were aided by volunteer pilots the Pakistan Air Force acting in independent capacity, and by some aircraft from Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia to make up for the massive losses suffered on the first day of the war. The PAF Pilots shot down several Israeli planes. (Arab Israeli War



50 years on: Memories of the 1973 Arab-Israeli Conflict - The Express Tribune

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/08/01/229723.html

Pakistan Air Force Combat Experience

A SALUTE TO THE PAKISTAN AIR FORCE-A FIGHTER PILOT REMEMBERS

Arab Israeli War




My question is does the volunteer pilots who join the syrian airforce was send by the Pakistan to support them or they went there on their own and if they went there of there own what does the rule of PAF says for them who wanted to join some others army like mercenaries while serving Pakistani air force and who have taken the outh to protect the pakistan and not other country and will follow its superior's order.
 
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My bad... Its SU-30 not 35... Still 1.5:1 isn't good, 2 SU30's follow two Israeli F16's and two pairs of SU30's follow each Israeli F16... There's slim chance that Israeli would win, at best it would be a tie.

Its amazing how Russian air force from being a shadow of its former self to now being close to its soviet legacy in air power. Too bad they lack advanced weaponry for their front line troops, for now.
 
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We did if you know the history! 14 Israel planes were shot down by the Pakistani pilots in Arab Israel war, I wonder People join this forum without having a tiny bit of knowledge about history!

is it really happened? :what: 14 jets???
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My bad... Its SU-30 not 35... Still 1.5:1 isn't good, 2 SU30's follow two Israeli F16's and two pairs of SU30's follow each Israeli F16... There's slim chance that Israeli would win, at best it would be a tie.

Its amazing how Russian air force from being a shadow of its former self to now being close to its soviet legacy in air power. Too bad they lack advanced weaponry for their front line troops, for now.
Israeli F-15 is also not a bad air superiority fighter plane and nor russian su 30sm but both parties don't want to indulge in the fight. By the way who is the one who posted the title air duel between sukhoi and israili f15 LOLZ.
In movies fighter pilots does dogfight in the air duel each one trying to supress each other in turns but in reality no pilot with the brain over his head don't want to indulge in dogfight even he is in Su 35, Su 37, Mig 35 or F-22 because the chances of survival in such multi plane dogfight would be less than 11%.
 
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