Air defence boost: Indian Air Force gets first Indo-Israeli missile

[Raj-Hindustani]

IAF has nothing that outranges the PL-15. Nothing, not even Meteor. PL-15 was specfically designed to outrange anything in service.

There are literally pics of 10-12 Block 15s in final stages of asemmbly, if you have been following the news on JF-17 (which seems like you have not) you will realise PAC deliver in batchs of between 12-16, as opposed to HAL which delivers (to much fanfare) one plane as soon as it is assmebled.

If we go by the last years you can expect a big batch anytime now. If we go with HAL average production last year it was....2 planes?

This is not hill you want to die on, trust me....

I only asked that is it delivered? if not then, it is called planned or projected,,

IAF has nothing that outranges the PL-15. Nothing, not even Meteor. PL-15 was specfically designed to outrange anything in service.

Asked your experts before quote anything BS!

There are literally pics of 10-12 Block 15s in final stages of asemmbly, if you have been following the news on JF-17 (which seems like you have not) you will realise PAC deliver in batchs of between 12-16, as opposed to HAL which delivers (to much fanfare) one plane as soon as it is assmebled.

India has not such leverage as Pakistan.. China will do everything and mostly replicate the most technically from J10 to JF 17 block 3 and Pakistan can do assembly..

So India has to start from scratch and it takes time to develop. We are ok with that.. now even AESA RADAR, Missiles, fly by wire etc are also developed and manufactured by India.

If we go by the last years you can expect a big batch anytime now. If we go with HAL average production last year it was....2 planes?

As same as JF 17, our joint product Su30 mki- more than 20 aircrafts manufactured by India in a year... Production rate is not a problem... if we want then can increase..

As you are happy with Jf 17 block 1 and block 2, Similarly capable aircraft Hal Tejas MK1 (FOC), Not much acceptable by IAF.. because of chinese PLAAF most probably... Our requirements are different than PAF... CHIna hs much more capable fighters then JF 17 and by looking at them, need better fighter at least AESA with Missile over 150 KM.

IAF Wants HAL Tejas MK1a with ASEA Radar and missiles with 160KM... So, better to wait... Yes absolutely true, there is a delay but we are fine as there are no major threats...

OEM products are OEM products... These upcoming decades are now opened for HAL - Trainers, fighter planes .. NOw only major painful work is pending on the Aircraft engine.. I hope, it will also be done after some time.

 

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[The Maverick]

firstly I take chinease tech with a pinch of salt
I would rather face a jf17 block 3 with pl15 then a f16 block 52 with amraam.
why I don't rate chinease radar or missles.
I hear the max range on klj radar on block 3 is 170km for 3sqm target
so the pl15 can go beyond this
compare elta 520 aesa more in 220km.amd far superior technology guaranteed being israeli .
Your jf17 block 3 v Rafale... only one winner

 

[baqai]

try not to give this one a bad name like you have done for SPICE

 

[IblinI]

firstly I take chinease tech with a pinch of salt
I would rather face a jf17 block 3 with pl15 then a f16 block 52 with amraam.

your entire post is full of bs, I don't even know where to start.
you take our tech with a pinch of salt, btw, who are you?
"I would rather face a"...again, who are you?

amd far superior technology guaranteed being israeli .

just pathetic, just pathetic.

 

[IblinI]

Right, so you need 42 sqds and you will be a size of around 22/23 sqds once MIG-21s/Jaguars go. The whole point of my posts (if you had bothered to read them properly) is CURRENT not PROJECTED but CURRENT deliveries will mean you will be around 20 sqds short. Any one can make positive projections (you have been doing that for past 5-10 years), but CURRENT delivery rate means you have no chance against China.

Take out the 36 Rafales (a very good plane by all accounts) and PAF are more then comfortable with the Block III/PL-15 combo against the IAF.

If you are "OK" with that, trust me PAF with it's infrastructure, networking, AEW and experience, and rate of fighter inductions is very "OK" too, glad we agree.

India is,delivering 156 new fighters,to.india between 2018 and 2028. possibly 2029

ffs, my eyes being painful reading his nonsense list and forex reserved bs for 156 fighters in the span of 10 years? (that too questionable with their track record)
156 fighters are about the number that PLAAF gets in a year and it is just another day in China, wtf is wrong with this kiddo, there is just no limit of him bragging,
"so much is going on in iaf, I can't catch up". so freaking cringy.

 

[khansaheeb]

Great news.... This system is a great addition to AKASH.... Now can't wait to see operational AKASH NG....

Obviously this missile system didn't work as 3 of your aircraft were shot down right in front of the missile system:-"Such is the military’s and DRDO’s confidence in this missile that it was operationally deployed in secret, even before it completed development. "

 

[Yasser76]

I only asked that is it delivered? if not then, it is called planned or projected,,

IAF has nothing that outranges the PL-15. Nothing, not even Meteor. PL-15 was specfically designed to outrange anything in service.

Asked your experts before quote anything BS!

There are literally pics of 10-12 Block 15s in final stages of asemmbly, if you have been following the news on JF-17 (which seems like you have not) you will realise PAC deliver in batchs of between 12-16, as opposed to HAL which delivers (to much fanfare) one plane as soon as it is assmebled.

India has not such leverage as Pakistan.. China will do everything and mostly replicate the most technically from J10 to JF 17 block 3 and Pakistan can do assembly..

So India has to start from scratch and it takes time to develop. We are ok with that.. now even AESA RADAR, Missiles, fly by wire etc are also developed and manufactured by India.

If we go by the last years you can expect a big batch anytime now. If we go with HAL average production last year it was....2 planes?

As same as JF 17, our joint product Su30 mki- more than 20 aircrafts manufactured by India in a year... Production rate is not a problem... if we want then can increase..

As you are happy with Jf 17 block 1 and block 2, Similarly capable aircraft Hal Tejas MK1 (FOC), Not much acceptable by IAF.. because of chinese PLAAF most probably... Our requirements are different than PAF... CHIna hs much more capable fighters then JF 17 and by looking at them, need better fighter at least AESA with Missile over 150 KM.

IAF Wants HAL Tejas MK1a with ASEA Radar and missiles with 160KM... So, better to wait... Yes absolutely true, there is a delay but we are fine as there are no major threats...

OEM products are OEM products... These upcoming decades are now opened for HAL - Trainers, fighter planes .. NOw only major painful work is pending on the Aircraft engine.. I hope, it will also be done after some time.

Surely even you get tired of posting so much BS simply in order to defend the indefensible?

Please do post any evidence (if you have it) of a missile system in service that outranges the PL-15?

Production rate for Tejas is an issue, HAL admit this and IAF complain about this, you and a few keyboard warriors on here are the only people unable to face reality.

India wants to make everything from scratch then go ahead, hardly anyone does that these days, but it does seem that the most vital elements for Tejas (engine, radar, weapons) are being imported anyway, so again, one questions the reason for the delay.

What is not in dispute is that for the first time in IAFs history next year, crashes may outnumber deliveries. If crash rate continues at around 8-10 a year (average over last 5 years) and HAL delivers only 6-8 Tejas (optimistic number).

firstly I take chinease tech with a pinch of salt
I would rather face a jf17 block 3 with pl15 then a f16 block 52 with amraam.
why I don't rate chinease radar or missles.
I hear the max range on klj radar on block 3 is 170km for 3sqm target
so the pl15 can go beyond this
compare elta 520 aesa more in 220km.amd far superior technology guaranteed being israeli .
Your jf17 block 3 v Rafale... only one winner

This is the point, no one really cares for what you think, it's pure BS coming out now. Ask MI-17 pilots about superior Israeli tech....

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Surely even you get tired of posting so much BS simply in order to defend the indefensible?

Please do post any evidence (if you have it) of a missile system in service that outranges the PL-15?

Production rate for Tejas is an issue, HAL admit this and IAF complain about this, you and a few keyboard warriors on here are the only people unable to face reality.

India wants to make everything from scratch then go ahead, hardly anyone does that these days, but it does seem that the most vital elements for Tejas (engine, radar, weapons) are being imported anyway, so again, one questions the reason for the delay.

What is not in dispute is that for the first time in IAFs history next year, crashes may outnumber deliveries. If crash rate continues at around 8-10 a year (average over last 5 years) and HAL delivers only 6-8 Tejas (optimistic number).


This is the point, no one really cares for what you think, it's pure BS coming out now. Ask MI-17 pilots about superior Israeli tech....

Do you understand that what Major parts are being Imported for HAL Tejas?

Engine - Yes, Major but the reality is that even the Chinese also importing for JF 17 from Russia.

At least, we have tried on our own but failed.. does not matter.. will try it again wherein people do no try and import OEM engines and criticize if other fails.

Injection Seat - Yes, Major but even reality is that even the Chinese also importing for JF 17 from Britain.

Radar - Yes, major and critical... already succeded and out of next 83 Tejas MK1a, 63 will have Indian made Asea Radar.

The above are major imported parts. Most of the countries except France, Russia, USA, and EU....others, imports these parts from these countries.

Missiles - already work in progress - Astra Mk1 inducted and Astra 2 - 160 KM (under development).

P15 Missile VS Meteor: you can ask your experts are just a little bit google it... below is the example.. Many technical differences are there.. I am just quoting one.

PL-15 is a heavy missile (about 500kg), you’re unlikely to intercept jet-fighters with this: it’s made to go after support aircraft like refuellers, AWACS, etc, at a security range from their escorts. Such heavy missiles are unlikely to do more than 20G maneuvers, meaning that aircraft taking 5G are enough to dodge it.

Meteor is doing 40G maneuvers ...

What is not in dispute is that for the first time in IAFs history next year, crashes may outnumber deliveries. If crash rate continues at around 8-10 a year (average over last 5 years) and HAL delivers only 6-8 Tejas (optimistic number).

Do you have the crash list of PAF including F 16 and JF17 (recently)?


This is the point, no one really cares for what you think, it's pure BS coming out now. Ask MI-17 pilots about superior Israeli tech

friendly fire happens globally.. not sure, why only IAF is to blame?

 

[Yasser76]

Do you understand that what Major parts are being Imported for HAL Tejas?

Engine - Yes, Major but the reality is that even the Chinese also importing for JF 17 from Russia.

At least, we have tried on our own but failed.. does not matter.. will try it again wherein people do no try and import OEM engines and criticize if other fails.

Injection Seat - Yes, Major but even reality is that even the Chinese also importing for JF 17 from Britain.

Radar - Yes, major and critical... already succeded and out of next 83 Tejas MK1a, 63 will have Indian made Asea Radar.

The above are major imported parts. Most of the countries except France, Russia, USA, and EU....others, imports these parts from these countries.

Missiles - already work in progress - Astra Mk1 inducted and Astra 2 - 160 KM (under development).

P15 Missile VS Meteor: you can ask your experts are just a little bit google it... below is the example.. Many technical differences are there.. I am just quoting one.

PL-15 is a heavy missile (about 500kg), you’re unlikely to intercept jet-fighters with this: it’s made to go after support aircraft like refuellers, AWACS, etc, at a security range from their escorts. Such heavy missiles are unlikely to do more than 20G maneuvers, meaning that aircraft taking 5G are enough to dodge it.

Meteor is doing 40G maneuvers ...

What is not in dispute is that for the first time in IAFs history next year, crashes may outnumber deliveries. If crash rate continues at around 8-10 a year (average over last 5 years) and HAL delivers only 6-8 Tejas (optimistic number).

Do you have the crash list of PAF including F 16 and JF17 (recently)?


This is the point, no one really cares for what you think, it's pure BS coming out now. Ask MI-17 pilots about superior Israeli tech

friendly fire happens globally.. not sure, why only IAF is to blame?

Again, absolutely fascinating that when we are talking about IAF aircraft deliveries on an IAF thread you want to derail the discussion and talk about PAF. This seems to be the etsablished MO for you and The Maverick when you are losing an argument.

Happy to have missile comparison and PAF debate in releavnt threads, but you don't have the balls for that.

Lets stick to the debate, IAF will be getting smaller next year.....!

 

[The Maverick]

To raj Hindustan
stop wasting your time
The PDF trolls are envious that India has open access to top notch western weapons and the door to them.is shut thanks to usa ditching them.and no money at all for French or other western equipment .
They hate the fact that India has French israeli and usa hardware and they are left with so so chinease stuff who knows if they actually work.
The entire world knows a meteore with a ramjet missle and massive nez is the daddy of all bvrs in the world.
the pl15 is basic bvr designed to take out tankers and awacs from long range.
it has no relevance to fighter planes at 200km
As for numbers of fighters the pakistan will induct 30 block 3 in 3 years the rest of their 500 posts on j10 j35 f16 block 70 will just go on and on and on for 3 years more
India has inducted 36 Rafale and 24 Tejas and 83 more Coming now that is serious progress especially when.you add 6 more awacs and s400 too.
what s that some 20 billion in cost
what pakistan getting 30 block 3 thunders full.stop for 40 million each
day and night difference

 

[Yasser76]

To raj Hindustan
stop wasting your time
The PDF trolls are envious that India has open access to top notch western weapons and the door to them.is shut thanks to usa ditching them.and no money at all for French or other western equipment .
They hate the fact that India has French israeli and usa hardware and they are left with so so chinease stuff who knows if they actually work.
The entire world knows a meteore with a ramjet missle and massive nez is the daddy of all bvrs in the world.
the pl15 is basic bvr designed to take out tankers and awacs from long range.
it has no relevance to fighter planes at 200km
As for numbers of fighters the pakistan will induct 30 block 3 in 3 years the rest of their 500 posts on j10 j35 f16 block 70 will just go on and on and on for 3 years more
India has inducted 36 Rafale and 24 Tejas and 83 more Coming now that is serious progress especially when.you add 6 more awacs and s400 too.
what s that some 20 billion in cost
what pakistan getting 30 block 3 thunders full.stop for 40 million each
day and night difference

Great, so if you are both wasting your time then why carry on posting here if the responses upset you? ADHD?

 

[Pandora]

It was a BARAK system which took down Indian MI 17 . Anyways aside from trolling this is one of very few systems that actually matured into service otherwise it is just one failure after another on Indian desk.

 

[The Maverick]

Great, so if you are both wasting your time then why carry on posting here if the responses upset you? ADHD?

because every time a genuine thread is started be it in this case induction of the indo israeli mrsam or previously Rafale induction or s400 induction you have to come along s derail. The thread with irrelevant posts and half truths
this was about medium range sam missles that India devoted jointly with Israel.last 5 years plus now ready to be inducted
you In your desire to detail yasser
added
you have not inducted enough tejas fighters
China builds 150.a year
pl15 outrages meteore .
your jags and mig21 are being phased out
China this and China that

it's about the sam.system.not China

 

[vishwambhar]

Obviously this missile system didn't work as 3 of your aircraft were shot down right in front of the missile system:-"Such is the military’s and DRDO’s confidence in this missile that it was operationally deployed in secret, even before it completed development. "

@khansaheeb only 1 bison was shot down.... And Yes Akash the most deadly SAM wasn't deployed in that area....