Air Commodore (R) Kaiser Tufail explains the Su-35S offer.

[manojb]

So all the argument all the time of having small RCS plane goes down the flush. Lol.
Su35 will have HUGE RCS

 

[Khanivore]

So all the argument all the time of having small RCS plane goes down the flush. Lol.
Su35 will have HUGE RCS

In a fast changing environment other factors outweigh some issues. Su-35 is no different to Su-30MKI RCS wise and both sides have AWACS.

 

[manojb]

In a fast changing environment other factors outweigh some issues. Su-35 is no different to Su-30MKI RCS wise and both sides have AWACS.

Yeah exactly IAF realized it 20 years back. Lol.
Is PAF gonna use cobra manuever with Su35 ?

 

[Viper 94]

We'll be putting too much into American hands again. The Eagle is a wonderful aircraft, but comes from an unreliable supplier and is superceded by more current platforms.

And bombs on an Eagle?

yes f-15E strike eagle is fully capable of carrying bombs
countries like saudi arabia, korea and singapore are still buys f-15s so it is still very much a capable aircraft

 

[Signalian]

maybe in far future, if PN owns an aircraft carrier, an aircraft on lines on SU33/J15 can be employed after flying hours are attained on SU35 for naval use.

 

[RazorMC]

yes f-15E strike eagle is fully capable of carrying bombs
countries like saudi arabia, korea and singapore are still buys f-15s so it is still very much a capable aircraft

Ah ok, you said F-15 which refers to air superiority variants, not the strike ones. Both have different roles and capabilities.

 

[aliyusuf]

So all the argument all the time of having small RCS plane goes down the flush. Lol.
Su35 will have HUGE RCS

Well according to most sources Su-35S has a much reduced RCS compared to the Su-30. I mean if MiG could reduce the RCS of MiG-29K to 1/4th of the standard MiG-29 then why couldn't Sukhoi do the same? Also here is a reference that I have found on the RCS of the Su-35 ...

Deagel: Su-35

Crew: 1
External Stations: 12
Number of Engines: 2
Service Life Flight Hours: 6,000
Area
Radar Cross Section (RCS): 0.50 square meter (5,000 square cm)
Dimensions
Height: 5.90 meter (19.4 foot)
Length: 21.9 meter (72 foot)
Main Gun Caliber: 30 millimeter
Wingspan: 15.3 meter (50 foot)
G-load
Max Maneuvering Load Factor: 9 g
Performance
Ceiling: 19,000 meter (62,336 foot)
Ferry Range: 4,500 kilometer (2,430 nautical mile)
Max Range: 3,600 kilometer (1,944 nautical mile)
Max Range at Sea Level: 1,580 kilometer
Speed
Cruise Speed: 1.20 mach (398 mps)
Top Speed at High Altitude: 2,500 kph (2.09 mach)
Top Speed at Sea Level: 1,400 kph (1.17 mach)
Time
Service Life: 30 year
Time Between Overhaul: 10 year
Weight
Fuel Load: 11,500 kilogram (25,353 pound)
Max Takeoff Thrust: 29,000 kilogram (63,933 pound)
Max Takeoff Weight: 34,500 kilogram (76,058 pound)
Operational Weight: 25,300 kilogram (55,776 pound)
Payload: 8,000 kilogram (17,637 pound)

 

[Knight Rider]

2 Squadrons.

You mean Fifty units of SU-35S Flanker-E.

 

[araz]

PAF will lose fewer planes if it takes the fight into the enemy territory taking a defensive posture will not be beneficial
Raad and babur cruise missiles will play a vital role in damaging enemy bases and aircraft parked there

In general the advancing forces tend to lose more fighters as they have to contend with enemy fighter and air defence. SO your assumptions will only hold true if we could use the Stand off ammo to totally annihilate the enemy air defence and their air force gets decimated/severely compromised. The role of Babar and Raad aside, you will suffer serious damage to your air inventory as they have a comprehensive cover of long range SAMs . So your assumption is not correct.

 

[Quwa]

In general the advancing forces tend to lose more fighters as they have to contend with enemy fighter and air defence. SO your assumptions will only hold true if we could use the Stand off ammo to totally annihilate the enemy air defence and their air force gets decimated/severely compromised. The role of Babar and Raad aside, you will suffer serious damage to your air inventory as they have a comprehensive cover of long range SAMs . So your assumption is not correct.

Standoff weaponry will be key and it is important that we improve the range as well as weight and stealthiness/reduce RCS. Investing in guided submunition bomblets would also be helpful in terms of targeting enemy armor, scattered assets, air fields, etc.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

We should not trust Russia. Their Machines are useless in war times due to its deep relation with India. 100% sanction issue on spare parts. Better to go for other alternatives or purchase with enough spare parts.
In this case It will cost us more than western fighters.
We should improve relation with uncle Sam and Nato countries.
We can play smart , deal of Su35 for sake of f15s or f18s or may be typhoons.
Even j16s is good choice, if china agrees to give us. J16 is enhancement of j11 and j15 but I don't think due to copyright issue we will get hands on this.
So, we should try hard for f15s or f18s.. This will also open our gates for F35 in future.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

So, we should try hard for f15s or f18s.. This will also open our gates for F35 in future.

F-35 is supposed to replace all the aircraft mentioned so why should PAF first invest in F-15's or F-18's. PAF is already flying the F-16's and F-35's are to replace these like it is being done with many NATO member states.

PAF if offered could directly buy them in a limited number for the time being and then increase to the numbers that PAF has of F-16's currently.
The downside is F-35 is going to increase the threshold many fold which USA would never allow. However this can be possible if Pakistan some how roles back on the nuclear program. Then this would be considered as a reasonable deterrence.

Now do you think this is Possible?

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

However this can be possible if Pakistan some how roles back on the nuclear program. Then this would be considered as a reasonable deterrence.

Now do you think this is Possible?

Nuclear issue is the past thing. Now, even U.S.A accepts that our nuclear program is in the safe hands and U.S.A supported Pakistan on international forums for safety issues.
U.S.A can offer F35s, if we ensure them technology will not fall in China hands as we ensured them in block52+ case.
This is right of every country to ensure security of technology

 

[Viper 94]

In general the advancing forces tend to lose more fighters as they have to contend with enemy fighter and air defence. SO your assumptions will only hold true if we could use the Stand off ammo to totally annihilate the enemy air defence and their air force gets decimated/severely compromised. The role of Babar and Raad aside, you will suffer serious damage to your air inventory as they have a comprehensive cover of long range SAMs . So your assumption is not correct.

well if we take a historical perspective air forces which adopt an aggressive approach tend to inflict more damage than defensive.
Israeli air force despite being much smaller completely decimated the arab air forces similar approach was taken by the PAF in 65 and it did fairly well
pakistan lack the geographical depth and many of our major urban centers are located very close to the border
thus PAF has no other option other than taking the initiative and take the fight into enemy territory

 

[R@m-R@heem]

2 squadrons should be the start but as economy improves and budget increases we need to increase number of squadrons. 5th Generation is at least a decade away.

Two squadrons is about $ 2 Billion just for the planes!! Maintenance, Spares, Weapons, Systems, Trainings, Logistics, etc etc is all addition to it.. not to mention that pakistan has always operated western fighters, and there is a remarkable change in the russian and the western weapons systems.... so despite a hefty price, paf will take s few years to get used to this fighter..

Nuclear issue is the past thing. Now, even U.S.A accepts that our nuclear program is in the safe hands and U.S.A supported Pakistan on international forums for safety issues.
U.S.A can offer F35s, if we ensure them technology will not fall in China hands as we ensured them in block52+ case.
This is right of every country to ensure security of technology

Now, even U.S.A accepts that our nuclear program is in the safe hands

Pak nuclear stockpiling reminiscent of Cold War-era Soviet Union: US think tank report | idrw.org