Ahmadiyya Muslim killed in apparent sectarian attack in Taunsa, Pakistan

[saurav]

Just another day..

 

[Ehsan]

And in same week this countries armed forces killed around 150 religious fanatics...

In same week an intelligence agency AD died in a raid on alqaeda fanatics...

But forget all that....

Lets just mourn this one ...just this one

What makes Ahmadiyya persecution different than the rest is its backed by anti-ahmadiyya laws of pakistan and hate material and hate speech is regularly done against Ahmadis even after they have been declared non-Muslim.

I think u r full of thick sh!t. If u dont care abt Pakistan's constitution than u have no fucking right to spread its news and twist the subjects on its defence forum.

Ahmedis are peace loving people, but jamaat in london is winding them up.

Thank you for letting me know you have no idea how law and constitution works, you can't force non residents to follow your discriminatory laws. This website as i mentioned is hosted in USA and hence under the U.S. Constitution which does not prevent Ahmadis from identifying as Muslims.

Were there any Ahmadiyya muslims at times of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) or during time of 4 rightly guided caliphs ?

Neither were Sunnia, Shia, Deobandi or Wahabi and anyways Prophet Muhammad SAW foretold that Ummah wil be split into 73 sects so it was bound to happen. Dont act so surprised.

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I will post the image once again and if you don't understand the image let me explain. A website such as defence.pk works with an computer connected to the internet. That computer can be in any country and be connected to the internet and users like us when we visit the website be directed to the forum that is run from that computer.

In the case of Pakistan Defence that computer is located in California, USA and hence any material hosted on that computer must be legal under U.S. laws which means your anti-ahmadiyya discriminatory laws and blasphemy laws dont apply to any of the material hosted on that computer.

 

[Mrc]

What are you talking about...
U are talking about less than hundred casualities in a war thay has consumed 70000 but you want to focus just on those less than hundred

 

[Ehsan]

What are you talking about...
U are talking about less than hundred casualities in a war thay has consumed 70000 but you want to focus just on those less than hundred

Ahmadiyya muslims have always condemned all the senseless killings but that still does not dismiss the fact that laws against Ahmadis do exist which are used by extremists to target Ahmadis specifically and the Government / Police's unwillingness to stop hate speech against Ahmadi Muslims

 

[Mrc]

So u mean ti say lets focus on this one; lets curse our constitution, our country may be get a foreign NGO involved even better....
Forget about those other 70 000...
They deserved to die any way ...sunni and shia muslim kaffirs

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Its sad news as no one has right to kill others even if you consider their beliefs as completely wrong . There has been more sunni shia killing as well and this hate of deobundi and breavli also exist to its extreme

My question is how did they know ikramullah is ahmadi unless they knew him personally. How could we know that he got killed just for being ahmadi

Btw

Nabbed: Ahmadi worship place attackers in detention - The Express Tribune

 

[Ehsan]

Its sad news as no one has right to kill others even if you consider their beliefs as completely wrong . There has been more sunni shia killing as well and this hate of deobundi and breavli also exist to its extreme

My question is how did they know ikramullah is ahmadi unless they knew him personally. How could we know that he got killed just for being ahmadi

Btw

Nabbed: Ahmadi worship place attackers in detention - The Express Tribune

Agree with the first instance and Ahmadi Muslims have always condemned Shia killings too.

As for how did they know he was Ahmadi its pretty obvious in Pakistan, when you don't go to the local neighbourhood mosque and the Ahmadiyya mosque is in the same street as yours. The mosque in his street was attacked just last month which is detailed in the story you just quoted from Express tribune.

And if you read the article you would know the local DPO explained he was targeted because of his faith as explained in the interview here BBC Urdu Sairbeen: Ahmadiyya muslim shot dead in Taunsa, Pakistan by RabwahTV | Free Listening on SoundCloud

 

[Mrc]

Ahmadiyya muslims have always condemned all the senseless killings but that still does not dismiss the fact that laws against Ahmadis do exist which are used by extremists to target Ahmadis specifically and the Government / Police's unwillingness to stop hate speech against Ahmadi Muslims

Extremist dont need any law to target any one first of all

Secondly no law in pakistan says its justified to kill qadiyanis...

Thirdly what you are saying is equivalent to use that poor souls blood to forward your own perception and agenda....

Think before u leap... i dont think this is right course of action my friend..

 

[Ehsan]

Extremist dont need any law to target any one first of all

Secondly no law in pakistan says its justified to kill qadiyanis...

Thirdly what you are saying is equivalent to use that poor souls blood to forward your own perception and agenda....

Think before u leap... i dont think this is right course of action my friend..

The law states Ahmadis as non-Muslim and many Islamist organizations in Pakistan openly call Ahmadis as "WajbulQatal" and use the laws to prove their case that they are declared non-muslim and are apostates and its okay to kill Ahmadis. Thats the difference my friend, the only agenda i have is a safe Pakistan that gives freedom of religion, freedom of speech and freedom of movement and freedom to do business and trade in safety to all its citizens. if that agenda is so offensive to you, maybe you should rethink your what is it that you stand for ?

 

[Bratva]

There weren't any deobandis too?

But nobody terms deobandis non Muslims why is that ?

What makes Ahmadiyya persecution different than the rest is its backed by anti-ahmadiyya laws of pakistan and hate material and hate speech is regularly done against Ahmadis even after they have been declared non-Muslim.




Thank you for letting me know you have no idea how law and constitution works, you can't force non residents to follow your discriminatory laws. This website as i mentioned is hosted in USA and hence under the U.S. Constitution which does not prevent Ahmadis from identifying as Muslims.



Neither were Sunnia, Shia, Deobandi or Wahabi and anyways Prophet Muhammad SAW foretold that Ummah wil be split into 73 sects so it was bound to happen. Dont act so surprised.



I will post the image once again and if you don't understand the image let me explain. A website such as defence.pk works with an computer connected to the internet. That computer can be in any country and be connected to the internet and users like us when we visit the website be directed to the forum that is run from that computer.

In the case of Pakistan Defence that computer is located in California, USA and hence any material hosted on that computer must be legal under U.S. laws which means your anti-ahmadiyya discriminatory laws and blasphemy laws dont apply to any of the material hosted on that computer.

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Actually Sunni and Shia split occured during Hazrat Ali (RA) era. Shia term was coined then.

But nobody from shia,sunni deobandi or wahhabi invented a prophet like you guys did. So let me ask bluntly, Why there is no prophet in other sects ?

The law states Ahmadis as non-Muslim and many Islamist organizations in Pakistan openly call Ahmadis as "WajbulQatal" and use the laws to prove their case that they are declared non-muslim and are apostates and its okay to kill Ahmadis. Thats the difference my friend, the only agenda i have is a safe Pakistan that gives freedom of religion, freedom of speech and freedom of movement and freedom to do business and trade in safety to all its citizens. if that agenda is so offensive to you, maybe you should rethink your what is it that you stand for ?

Who says Ahmaadis does not have freedom of movement, freedom to do business and trade, freedom of religion ? Thats the problem with you guys. You claim something which is already being enjoyed by Ahmadis in Pakistan. Do point out where they don't enjoy all such things.

Oh, Btw, Doesnt Ahmadi Declare All non-ahmadi muslims as Apostates and non-muslims as well ? Pot calling kettle I must say

 

[Ehsan]

But nobody terms deobandis non Muslims why is that ?

Like everybody rejected Jesus PBUH, and Prophet Muhammad PBUH the same rejection the Messiah and Mahdi faces so i am not surprised by that. you dont have to share my belief but thats what i believe.

Actually Sunni and Shia split occured during Hazrat Ali (RA) era. Shia term was coined then.

But nobody from shia,sunni deobandi or wahhabi invented a prophet like you guys did. So let me ask bluntly, Why there is no prophet in other sects ?

Ahmadi Muslims have not invented a Prophet all of the Islamic sects are waiting for the Messiah or Mahdi we believe he has already come even if you believe in another person to be that, you are will be in the same position as Ahmadis and would have "invented" a Prophet by your own terms.

Who says Ahmaadis does not have freedom of movement, freedom to do business and trade, freedom of religion ? Thats the problem with you guys. You claim something which is already being enjoyed by Ahmadis in Pakistan. Do point out where they don't enjoy all such things.

Here are few examples

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Why do Pakistani lawyers want to ban the country’s favourite soft drink? (A clue: it’s made by minorities) | Andrew Buncombe | Independent Editor's choice Blogs

Banned drinks: No Shezan, Pepsi at Punjab University - The Express Tribune

Oh, Btw, Doesnt Ahmadi Declare All non-ahmadi muslims as Apostates and non-muslims as well ? Pot calling kettle I must say

And no Ahmadis dont ! Ahmadis quote the Hadith that says Kufar is reverted back at the person who calls another Muslim a Kafir

 

[Mrc]

The law states Ahmadis as non-Muslim and many Islamist organizations in Pakistan openly call Ahmadis as "WajbulQatal" and use the laws to prove their case that they are declared non-muslim and are apostates and its okay to kill Ahmadis. Thats the difference my friend, the only agenda i have is a safe Pakistan that gives freedom of religion, freedom of speech and freedom of movement and freedom to do business and trade in safety to all its citizens. if that agenda is so offensive to you, maybe you should rethink your what is it that you stand for ?

You have freedom to do all u want but not on expense of majority..

Extremist dont need a law to tell them who is wajib ul qatal. I m wajib ul qatl as well..

And you are using your brothers blood to advance your own agenda...not his agenda, your agenda..

Laws you object to has approval of majority of pakistani citizens ;any ine who has problem with that can f*ck off to where ever he wants ...

 

[Ehsan]

You have freedom to do all u want but not on expense of majority..

Extremist dont need a law to tell them who is wajib ul qatal. I m wajib ul qatl as well..

And you are using your brothers blood to advance your own agenda...not his agenda, your agenda..

Laws you object to has approval of majority of pakistani citizens ;any ine who has problem with that can f*ck off to where ever he wants ...

by your attitude all the Pakistanis including you should f$$$ off ! Majority is not always right. In that case if in 50 years Pakistanis declare Gay Marraige legal like in the U.S. and Europe would you accept because its majority ?

Same reason the holocaust even though at the time approved by majority was not right.

Same way the creation of Israel was approved by the majority of the United Nations does that mean you approve of the creation of Israel now ? because its approved by the majority of world countries. Knock yourself out with these facts

 

[Mrc]

by your attitude all the Pakistanis including you should f$$$ off ! Majority is not always right. In that case if in 50 years Pakistanis declare Gay Marraige legal like in the U.S. and Europe would you accept because its majority ?

Same reason the holocaust even though at the time approved by majority was not right.

Same way the creation of Israel was approved by the majority of the United Nations does that mean you approve of the creation of Israel now ? because its approved by the majority of world countries. Knock yourself out with these facts

Yeah but v cannot anger 200 million muslims to please 500 thousand qadiyanis...
And on this occasion; majority is right...period....