Ahmadiyya Muslim killed in apparent sectarian attack in Taunsa, Pakistan

[Indus Falcon]

It could be a simple case of armed robbery as well!

 

[Mrc]

When the constitution is wrong or evil or an order given by a powerful person incorrect we have a duty to reject it and do everything in our power to eliminate it, in this case the constitution which is discriminatory to my Ahmedi brothers who have produced lions like Zafarullah Khan and Abdus Salam.

Jinnah called Zafarullah Khan his son and when mullahs demanded he declare zafarullah a kaffir, he resisted saying how can I call someone who calls himself a muslim non muslim. This was the resolve of our founding father and this was how much he believed in the ideal of secularism.

I don't understand the logic of declaring Ahmedis infidel even though I am not an Ahmedi. By the logic of mullah cult ahmedis have added another prophet which justifies attacks against them. Going by this logic the Christians should be killing muslims for adding a prophet and jews should be killing both muslims and christians. This is clearly a canard made to oppress innocent Ahmedis.

I will stand by any law that promotes equality, but this is Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto type autocratic law, like him declaring he will break the legs of Bengalis that voted, look how that turned out. We need to unify, not divide. ASWJ and LEJ can go to hell. We should chase them down.

adding a new prophet makes you a different religion. it does not how ever justify attacks against them. and yes Christian do consider islam as a different religion, and muslims have never in history claimed to be Christian sect as they believe in every thing till Christ and then have added a new prophet. nor have Christians ever claimed to be jews, as they also believe in mosses and then added a new prophet.

but yes this does not mean that any one has any God given right to kill. and that's where our religious extremists have screwed up things.

but than these fanatics primarily target sunni and shia muslim religious targets, while hundereds of mosques have been targeted, only once they attacked a qadiyani worship place.

but majority does not agree with extremist mentality and hence they are been killed right left and centre

 

[Indus Falcon]

When the constitution is wrong or evil or an order given by a powerful person incorrect we have a duty to reject it and do everything in our power to eliminate it, in this case the constitution which is discriminatory to my Ahmedi brothers who have produced lions like Zafarullah Khan and Abdus Salam.

Jinnah called Zafarullah Khan his son and when mullahs demanded he declare zafarullah a kaffir, he resisted saying how can I call someone who calls himself a muslim non muslim. This was the resolve of our founding father and this was how much he believed in the ideal of secularism.

I don't understand the logic of declaring Ahmedis infidel even though I am not an Ahmedi. By the logic of mullah cult ahmedis have added another prophet which justifies attacks against them. Going by this logic the Christians should be killing muslims for adding a prophet and jews should be killing both muslims and christians. This is clearly a canard made to oppress innocent Ahmedis.

I will stand by any law that promotes equality, but this is Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto type autocratic law, like him declaring he will break the legs of Bengalis that voted, look how that turned out. We need to unify, not divide. ASWJ and LEJ can go to hell. We should chase them down.

Can you please tell me the definition of a Muslim, as per the Sunni & Shia (twelver) school of thought ?

 

[dravidianhero]

Why don't ahmediyas just follow main stream Islam?

 

[Indus Falcon]

adding a new prophet makes you a different religion. it does not how ever justify attacks against them. and yes Christian do consider islam as a different religion, and muslims have never in history claimed to be Christian sect as they believe in every thing till Christ and then have added a new prophet. nor have Christians ever claimed to be jews, as they also believe in mosses and then added a new prophet.

but yes this does not mean that any one has any God given right to kill. and that's where our religious fundamentalists have screwed up things.

but than these fanatics primarily target sunni and shia muslim religious targets, while hundereds of mosques have been targeted, only once they attacked a qadiyani worship place.

but majority does not agree with fundamentlist mentality and hence they are been killed right left and centre

Instead of the word fundamental, I would humbly like to suggest the use of the words "extremist," "radical," or "fanatic".

As to the rest of what you have said. I concur.

Best Regards

 

[Mrc]

boss why are we arguing this. they them selves don't consider any one who does not believe in their prophet a muslim.
Mirza Ghulam ahmed clearly has stated that any one who donot believe in him is not a muslim.

meaning they consider all others following a different religion. that's done, no issues...

only issue is they want to call them selves muslim, and others non muslim.... if they have choosen a different name , there would be no problems, but they want to keep name @ islam, and expel the rest of 1.8 billion followers of prophet Mohamad out of "islam"

Instead of the word fundamental, I would humbly like to suggest the use of the words "extremist," "radical," or "fanatic".

As to the rest of what you have said. I concur.

Best Regards

I will edit... no problem

 

[gangsta_rap]

Killer might end up with the death sentence if he gets tried by the military courts.

 

[Srinivas]

Seems a revenge attack !

 

[Mutakalim]

Thread tittle is against the constitution of Pakistan and is affecting the feelings of Muslim. Mods are requested to change the thread title.

 

[maxpayne]

When the constitution is wrong or evil or an order given by a powerful person incorrect we have a duty to reject it and do everything in our power to eliminate it, in this case the constitution which is discriminatory to my Ahmedi brothers who have produced lions like Zafarullah Khan and Abdus Salam.

Jinnah called Zafarullah Khan his son and when mullahs demanded he declare zafarullah a kaffir, he resisted saying how can I call someone who calls himself a muslim non muslim. This was the resolve of our founding father and this was how much he believed in the ideal of secularism.

I don't understand the logic of declaring Ahmedis infidel even though I am not an Ahmedi. By the logic of mullah cult ahmedis have added another prophet which justifies attacks against them. Going by this logic the Christians should be killing muslims for adding a prophet and jews should be killing both muslims and christians. This is clearly a canard made to oppress innocent Ahmedis.

I will stand by any law that promotes equality, but this is Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto type autocratic law, like him declaring he will break the legs of Bengalis that voted, look how that turned out. We need to unify, not divide. ASWJ and LEJ can go to hell. We should chase them down.

I honor ur spirit shown in this post but as a citizen of Pakistan, we are bound to follow its rules and accept its constitution. If you have any issue with constitution, go to court and write a petition to rectify any wrong point listed.
Further ZAB was not a mullah, and the amendment by which Ahmedis were declared non-Muslims was done by complete consensus which includes nearly all political parties of Pakistan. Constitution of 1973 was accepted by 100% political, religious, social parties of Pakistan meaning all country endorsed it, so you cannot say that it was made only by ZAB.
We must know that Pakistan is an Islamic Republic! It is not a secular state where anyone stand up and start conflicting issues which were already discussed to death and resolved mutually. There are limits in religion, for mullahs and us common Pakistanis.
By negating one point in constitution means u do not accept it and id!ots like OP wrote himself that he and this site (defence.pk) does not belongs to Pakistan which means he gives a fuk about me, u, Pakistan and its constitution and as a soldier of this mother land i cannot accept it!!

FYI ! this website is based out of USA and i am also not a resident of Pakistan. So the constitution of Pakistan does not apply here even though the forum is related to Pakistan. So its perfectly legal for me to title the thread the way i have done.

@WebMaster @Horus @syedali73 @waz Please modify the subject because it is against constitution of Pakistan

Thread tittle is against the constitution of Pakistan and is affecting the feelings of Muslim. Mods are requested to change the thread title.

I think u don't care abt our constitution! Ahmedis does not belong to Muslims. They are included in minority so pls edit the subject.

 

[Mutakalim]

When the constitution is wrong or evil or an order given by a powerful person incorrect we have a duty to reject it and do everything in our power to eliminate it, in this case the constitution which is discriminatory to my Ahmedi brothers who have produced lions like Zafarullah Khan and Abdus Salam.

Hi,
Whatever you think about constitution weather it is evil or wrong according to you, you should respect its clauses which declares Ahmedia community as Kafir. Majority of pakistanis declares them kafir not a single powerful person. Now i have a simple question for you. Where does your beloved democracy stands when you have to protect your ahmedia brothers. This democracy declared them kafir and these clauses would only be changed when majority of pakistanis wants them to be.

 

[Baloch Pakistani]

Can you please tell me the definition of a Muslim, as per the Sunni & Shia (twelver) school of thought ?

As per sunni and shia (twelvers) school of thought, a muslim is a person who believes in the Oneness of Allah,and he believes that Muhammad PBUH is the last and final messenger of Allah and there will be no messenger after Him PBUH. That's the basic definition of a Muslim as per both sects.

Then there are other things like believing in The judgement day, believing in angels and so on. but basic definition is the above one.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

RIP yet another victim of sectarian violence.

 

[MilSpec]

Were there any Ahmadiyya muslims at times of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) or during time of 4 rightly guided caliphs ?

There weren't any deobandis too?

 

[Indus Falcon]

As per sunni and shia (twelvers) school of thought, a muslim is a person who believes in the Oneness of Allah,and he believes that Muhammad PBUH is the last and final messenger of Allah and there will be no messenger after Him PBUH. That's the basic definition of a Muslim as per both sects.

Then there are other things like believing in The judgement day, believing in angels and so on. but basic definition is the above one.

Thank You Brother, but I wanted to hear this from this TTA who is clueless about Islam, but loves to talk about it.

Nonetheless, once again Thank You & May Allah Bless you , in this life and the next one.