Ahmadi place of worship may see court case following mob attack

[The Sandman]

And the question is?

The Ahmadis also call us kafirs so what people have to say about them?

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Brother, for God sakes man, does it look like anyone is capable or following Quran/Sunnah in the Arab world e.g. Iraq/Syria/Libya/Saudi Arabia/Yemen/Palestine etc. etc.?

What does that have to do with anything? They now how to speak Arabic. They understand the meaning of words. Again search it up. Your arguments are pointless. I'm talking about the meaning of a word and your going on about following Quran and sunnah. Let's stick to a topic.

 

[T-123456]

For ur information Ahmadis are not Muslims as their beliefs are not complete.

And its for you to decide?

 

[The Sandman]

What does that have to do with anything? They now how to speak Arabic. They understand the meaning of words. Again search it up. Your arguments are pointless. I'm talking about the meaning of a word and your going on about following Quran and sunnah. Let's stick to a topic.

Why not just tag @Khafee ?

Pakistan should protect its minorities like the Ahemediyas, Shias, Christians, Hindus and Sikhs.
Else UN sanctions against this country.

You take care of your minorities we know how to take care of our minorities don't poke your nose in our internal matters stay out of it.

 

[CHINA83NEWS]

China has a shia fifty thousand people.Ethnic minorities.

 

[JAGGA-J]

I said their beliefs are not complete, when did i say they did not believe in Holy Prophet SAW, kindly do some more research before replying.



We are not the ones to declare someone Muslim or Non-muslim, One's beliefs decide whether he is Muslim or Non-muslim, according to ahmadi beliefs they does not believe in Khatm e Nabuwat SAW and thats why they are NOT Muslim...

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the last one. Prophet Isa (pbuh) will be part of his ummah.

I don't want to make fun of you, but, you are being silly man. Look, If Nabi (saw) is Last than what will happen when Jesus comes flying back down (like in old hindi movies)?.....Who will be LAST? and What will happen to Khatam e Nabuwat? as Nabuwat ended according to you!

Essa (AS) came as Messiah for the Bani Israel 1400 years after Musa (as)! Essa is not from the Muslim ummah! you contradict Quran.

 

[Moonlight]

The Ahmadis also call us kafirs so what people have to say about them?

You think you will get the answer? That's very innocent of you, my friend.
When Shia kills a Sunni scholar it's fine. But when Sunni kills a Shia scholar, it's Shia genocide. Everyone is gonna complain & even start a trend.

I condemned the death of any innocent.

But remember here again these fake liberals play a role. You will never see any liberal standing up against a crime done by a person belonging to minority. But as if an incident happen by someone belongs to a majority to someone in minority, these seasonal liberals will start whining.

It's like it's halal for a Sunni to get humiliated by a minority but vice versa is haram. Sheesh.

 

[The Sandman]

Blowing up 100 christians or shias is a everyday occurance in Pakistan. Not very good protection.

100? are f****g kidding me? we just slaugtered 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 christians yesterday now shoooo

You think you will get the answer? That's very innocent of you, my friend.
When Shia kills a Sunni scholar it's fine. But when Sunni kills a Shia scholar, it's Shia genocide. Everyone is gonna complain & even start a trend.

I condemned the death of any innocent.

But remember here again these fake liberals play a role. You will never see any liberal standing up against a crime done by a person belonging to minority. But as if an incident happen by someone belongs to a majority to someone in minority, these seasonal liberals will start whining.

It's like it's halal for a Sunni to get humiliated by a minority but vice versa is haram. Sheesh.

Hypocrisy at it's finest i guess.

 

[JAGGA-J]

Non Qadiyani (you and me) are not kafir as in kafir but a Muslim Kafir .................. get it? No? Seek a fatwa from one of your own Muftis. Super logic

Okay chalo an easy one for you ....................... there would be 72 sects and per Quran a jammat out of those 72 would enter the jannah so we are not a sect but a jammat ........................ the rest of us well where do we go? Yes you got it right.


Their faith is a family business ............. I have no problems with it as long as they identify themselves and try not preaching me. The rest if they have genuine ownership of some building it should be given back to them.

::::::::::::: Name of the Sects in Islam and their Basic Beliefs ::::::::::::



1. Jarudiah:
Followers of Abu'l-Jarud. They believe Holy Prophet (pbuh) designated Al-Isa as the Imam by his characteristics but not by name.

2. Sulamania:
Followers of Sulaiman ibn-Jarir al-Zaidi. They believed Imamat was a matter of Jaririya conference and could be confirmed by two best Muslims.

3. Butriyah:
They did not dispute the Khilafat of Uthman (ra), neither they attack him nor Hurariyah praise him.

4. Yaqubiyya:
They accepted the Khilafat of Abu Bakr (ra) and Umar (ra), but did not reject those who rejected these Khulifaa. They also believed that Muslim commiters of Major sins will be in hell forever.

5. Hanafiyah:
Followers of the Imammate of Muhammad ibn-al-Hanifah. They believe that Allah might have had a beginning.

6. Karibiyah:
They believed that Imam Muhammad ibn-al-Hanifah is not dead and is the Imam Ghaib (in disappearance) and the expected Mahdi.

7. Kamiliyah:
Followers of Abu-Kamil. They believed companions to be heretic because they forsook their allegiance to Ali (ra) and condemn Ali (ra) for ceasing to fight them. They believed in the returning of the dead before the Day of Resurrection and that Satan is right in preferring fire to clay.

8. Muhammadiyyah:
Followers of Muhammad ibn-Abdullah ibn-al-Hassan. They do not believe/Mughairiyah that Imam Muhammad ibn-Abdullah died and that he is the Imam Ghaib and awaited Mahdi.

9. Baqiriyah:
Followers of Muhammad ibn-Ali al-Baqir. They believe him to be the Imam Ghaib and expected Mahdi.

10. Nadisiyah:
They believe that those who consider themselves better than anyone else are Kafirs (disbelievers).

11. Sha'iyah:
They believe that the one who has recited La Ilaha Il-Allah (there is none worthy of worship except Allah), whatever she or he does, will never be punished.

12. Ammaliyah:
They believe that faith for one is what he/she sincerely practices.

13. Ismailiyah:
They believe in the continuity of Imammate among the descendants of Ismail ibn-Ja'far.

14. Musawiyah:
They believe Musa ibn-Ja'far to be the Imam Ghaib and expected Mahdi / Mamturah.

15. Mubarakiyah:
They believe in the continuity of Imammate among the descendants of Muhammad ibn-Ismail ibn-Ja'far.

16. Kathiyah:
They believe that expected Mehdi will be twelveth Imam among the /Ithn Áshariya descendants of the Áli ibn-abi-Talib. (The Twelvers).

17. Hashamiya:
They Predicate a body to Allah and also allege Prophet (pbuh) of disobedience/ Taraqibiyah to Allah

18. Zarariyah:
They believe that Allah did not live nor had any attributes till He created for Himself life and His attributes.

19. Younasiyah:
Followers of Younas ibn-Ábd-al-Rahman al-Kummi. They believe that Allah is borne by the bearers of His Throne, though He is stronger than they are.

20. Shaitaniyah/Shireekiyah:
They believed in the view that deeds of servants of Allah are substances; and a servant of Allah can really produce a substance.

21. Azraqaih:
Followers of Nafi ibn-al-Azraq. They do not believe in the good dreams and visions and claim that all forms of revelations have ended.


22. Najadat:
Followers of Najdah ibn-Ámir al-Hanafi. They abolished the punishment of drinking wine also they believed that sinners of this sect would not be treated in hellfire but some other place before allowed in Paradise.

23. Sufriyah:
Followers of Ziyad ibn-al-Asfar. They believed that sinners are in fact polytheists.

24. Ajaridah:
Followers of Abd-al-Karim ibn-Ajrad. They believed that a child should be called to Islam after it has attained maturity. Also they believed booty of war to be unlawful till the owner is killed.

25. Khazimiyah:
They believe Allah loves men of all faiths even if one has been a disbeliever most of his life.

26. Shuaibiyah/Hujjatiyah:
They believed that what Allah desires does happen no matter what and what does not happen it means Allah desires it not.

27. Khalafiyah:
Followers of Khalaf. They do not believe in fighting except under the leadership of an Imam.

28. Ma'lumiyah/Majhuliah:
They believed that whoever did not recognise Allah by His names was ignorant of Him and anyone ignorant of Him was a disbeliever.

29. Saltiyah:
Followers of Salt ibn-Usman. They believed in the conversion of adults only and if father has converted to Islam children were considered

disbelievers till they reach maturity.

30. Hamziyah:
Followers of Hamza ibn-Akrak. They believe that children of polytheists are condemned to hell.

31. Tha'libiyah:
Followers of Tha'labah ibn-Mashkan. They believe that parents remain guardians over their children of any age until children make it clear to parents that they are turning away from truth.

32. Ma'badiyah:
They did not believe in taking or giving alms from or to slaves.

33. Akhnasiyah:
They do not believe in waging a war except in defence or when the opponent is known personally.

34. Shaibaniyah/Mashbiyah:
Followers of Shaiban ibn-Salamah al-Khariji. They believe that Allah resembles His creatures.

35. Rashidiyah:
They believe that land watered by springs, canals or flowing rivers should pay half the Zakat (tithe), while land watered by rain only should pay he full Zakat.

36. Mukarramiyah/tehmiyah:
Followers of abu-Mukarram. They believe that ignorance constitutes as disbelief. Also that Allah enmity or friendship depends upon the state of a persons' belief at his death.

37. Abadiyah/Afáliyah:
They consider Abdullah ibn-Ibad as their Imam. They believe in doing good deeds without the intention of pleasing Allah.

38. Hafsiyah:
Consider Hafs ibn-abi-l-mikdam as their Imam. They believe that only knowing Allah frees one from polytheism.

39. Harithiya:
Followers of Harith ibn-Mazid al-Ibadi. They believe that the ability precedes the deeds.



40. Ashab Ta'áh:
They believe that Allah can send a prophet without giving him any sign to prove his prophecy.

41. Shabibiyah/Salihiyah:
Followers of Shabib ibn-Yazid al-Shaibani. They believe in the Imamate of a woman named Ghazalah.

42. Wasiliyah:
Followers of Wasil ibn-'Ata al-Ghazza. They believe that does who commit major sins will be punished in hell but still remain believers.


53. Jahiziayh:
Followers of 'Ámr ibn-Bahr al-Jahiz. They believe that Allah is able to create a thing but unable to annihilate it.

54. Shahhamiyah/Sifatiyah:
Followers of abu-Yaqub al-Shahham. They believe that everything determined is determined by two determiners, one the creator and the other acquirer.

55. Khaiyatiyah/Makhluqiyah:
Followers of abu-al-Husain al-Khaiyat. They believe that everything non-existent is a body before it appears, like man before it is born is a body in non-existence. Also that every attribute becomes existent when it makes its appearance.

56. Ka'biyah:
Followers of abu-qasim Abdullah ibn-Ahmed ibn-Mahmud al-Banahi known as al-Ka'bi. They believe that Allah does not see Himself nor anyone else except in the sense that He knows himself and others.

57. Jubbaiyah:
Followers of abu-'Ali al-Jubbai. They believe that Allah obeys His servants when he fulfils their wish.

58. Bahshamiyah:
Followers of abu-Hashim. They believe that one, who desires to do a bad deed, though may not do it, commit infidelity and deserve punishment.

59. Ibriyah:
They believe that Holy Prophet (pbuh) was a wise man but not a prophet.

60. Zanadiqiyah:
They believe that the incident Miraj was a vision of the Holy prophet (pbuh) and that we can see Allah in this world.

61. Qabariyya:
They do not believe in the punishment of grave.

62. Hujjatiya:
They do not believe in the punishment for deeds on the grounds.

63. Fikriyya:
They believe that doing Dhikr and Fikr (Remembering and thinking about Allah) is better than worship.

64. 'Aliviyah/Ajariyah:
They believe that Hazrat Ali shared Prophethood with Mohammad (pbuh)

65. Tanasikhiya:
They believe in the re-incarnation of soul.

66. Rajiýah:
They believe that Hazrat Ali ibn-abi-Talib will return to this world.

67. Ahadiyah:
They believe in the Fardh (obligations) in faith but deny the Sunnah.

68. Radeediyah:
They believe that this world will live forever.

69. Satbiriyah:
They do not believe in the acceptance of repentance.

70. Lafziyah:
They believe that Quran is not the word of God but only its meaning and essence is the word of God. Words of Quran are just the words of the narrator.

71. Ashariyah:
They believe that Qiyas (taking a guess) is wrong and amounts to disbelief.

72. Bada'iyah:
They believe that obedience to Ameer is obligatory no matter what he commands.

*Islamic Encyclopaedia published by Munshi Mehboob 'Alim' (editor Newspaper Paisa, Lahore, Pakistan). Page 570-572.
*Al-Farq Bain Al Firaq, by Abu Mansur 'abd-al-Kahir ibn-Tahir al-Baghdadi, Translated into English by Kate Chambers Seelye, (AMS Press, NewYork 1996)
*Kitab Lajawaab Masmay ba-Mazhab al-Islam by Hakeem Maulvi Muhammad Najam al-Ghani Rampuri, 1st edition, (Munshi Nau Lakshoor Lakhnau 1924).


73. Ahmadiyya:
The followers of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmed of Qadian (as). (1835 to 1908)
They believe that he is THE PROMISED MESSIAH and IMAM MEHDI.
They believe in the FINALITY OF PROPHETHOOD OF THE HOLY PROPHET (pbuh) and that he was the SEAL of the all the Prophets.
They believe that the Jesus Christ was NOT CRUCIFIED but DIED a natural death.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

I don't want to make fun of you, but, you are being silly man. Look, If Nabi (saw) is Last than what will happen when Jesus comes flying back down (like in old hindi movies)?.....Who will be LAST? and What will happen to Khatam e Nabuwat? as Nabuwat ended according to you!

Essa (AS) came as Messiah for the Bani Israel 1400 years after Musa (as)! Essa is not from the Muslim ummah! you contradict Quran.

Last means not the last to be on the earth. But last as in to give the message to mankind. They all carried the same message. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was the last prophet to deliver the message to his people, therefore the seal.

 

[JAGGA-J]

Pakistan should protect its minorities like the Ahemediyas, Shias, Christians, Hindus and Sikhs.
Else UN sanctions against this country.

Ahmadis are Muslims and not a minority to begin with and that goes for Shia too. Moreover, anyone who is a Pakistani is a Pakistan and not a minority in any respect. It's the wicked mulvis that have conjured up these divisions.

 

[Moonlight]

Blowing up 100 christians or shias is a everyday occurance in Pakistan. Not very good protection.

First of all only Indian can come up with homemade statistics. Before questioning Pakistan go read Washington post, they posted an article telling the world about "The Great democracy of the World...The India" (don't get happy I'm being sarcastic). They have posted how Indians react on a newborn's name of Khan family. Shows your intolerance level. Lastly, you can't even let anyone name their child after a Muslim name? Pity.

 

[The Sandman]

Ahmadis are Muslims

According to you and a few others.

P.S if you're not a ahmadi than according to them you're a Kafir.

 

[JAGGA-J]

Last means not the last to be on the earth. But last as in to give the message to mankind. They all carried the same message. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was the last prophet to deliver the message to his people, therefore the seal.

Let me help you make it easy to digest.

Nabi (saw) is and will remain Khatam e nabeen forever! The Seal/Final Law Bearing Prophet with the final word of Allah revealed in the Holy Quran. The messiah/Mahdi are titles of a the same person to appear as a Prophet to follow from the Muslim ummah under the Seal of Nabi (saw) & follow Quran & Sunnah.

The Muslim ummah cannot be guided by a Prophet from the Muswi shariat as that ended with the advent of Nabi (saw) 1400 years ago. You keep dragging Essa (as) back into Muslim ummah when He (as) died and was sent per Quran for the Bani Israel!

 

[I.R.A]

::::::::::::: Name of the Sects in Islam and their Basic Beliefs ::::::::::::


73. Ahmadiyya:
The followers of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmed of Qadian (as). (1835 to 1908)
They believe that he is THE PROMISED MESSIAH and IMAM MEHDI.
They believe in the FINALITY OF PROPHETHOOD OF THE HOLY PROPHET (pbuh) and that he was the SEAL of the all the Prophets.
They believe that the Jesus Christ was NOT CRUCIFIED but DIED a natural death.