Ah memories! :D

[VelocuR]

why whats with you. no ones forcing you on this thread and I was in discussions with MastanKhan before that troll and you came along

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Raptor man come on I was talkin to mastankhan I normally have time for your posts and respect so please back off

My post is directly to Indian trolling, not you. You can continue, bro.

Aryan Incredible President!

 

[Shabz Nist]

can you give me link of that documentary from BBC i players

and no there is nothing wrong with army.. we cannot blame the whole institution of army because of wrong doings of some army Generals

Here you go...BBC iPlayer - Secret Pakistan: Double Cross

 

[lem34]

Yes purpose of this thread is to glorify Vcheng and criticise all current Think tanks lol

What are you the censorship bureau on behalf of tt im sure they can speak for themselves and dont need you to to defend them

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My post is directly to Indian trolling, not you. You can continue, bro.

Aryan Incredible President!

Sorry raptor you are my brother and I respect you and your posts allways

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Aryan @ Calm down dude and carry on buttering

Here you go...BBC iPlayer - Secret Pakistan: Double Cross

Ok thanks..I will watch it in spare time

 

[lem34]

My pakistani ciolleagues over here have been saying for the last 6 yeras---the situation is already bad---how much worse it can get---and then they see it getting worse and then they hope again---how much worse it can get---it gets worse again---worse than before---and they have their mouths hanging open----and they say----hehn---hehn---hehn jee--phir---O bus jee----phir kee karya---.

couldnt agree more. After talibanisation of Zia we all had great hopes of benazir. She dissapointed not once but twice, same with Nawaz sharif. Mushy had a chance and all our goodwill but he failed to take the necessary ruthless action and then he went of the rails and did a deal with corrupt ppp. She died and left her slave party to her son and husband. We have an election where we have no choice. PPP- failed more than once PNA same again. Imran though his hearts in the right place simply does not have the brains or the organisation. What legacy of pakistan are we going to leave to our children. We need honest men/women or man woman to come to the fore and army to be at his/her disposal and the starting point must be hang the traitors corrupt ones and move on

 

[lem34]

Aryan @ Calm down dude and carry on buttering


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Im calm. I could say the same about you in that you are buttering tt members, advocating censorship were you, what do I have to gain from buttering cheng? If you had read the posts you would have noticed MastanKhan and I were well off topic and discussing drastic action needed to improve pakistan

 

[VCheng]

Can we at least not argue amongst ourselves in this thread at least, please?

Anybody who does not like the content here will do well to just stay away.

 

[MastanKhan]

could work pressure from the bottom for the top to change things but prob we got is that if we have a arab spring or orange revolution our country has enemies that would take advantage. As I said earlier I had great hopes for Mushy he had the goodwilll of the people when he came in. If he had eliminated benazirs sharifs etc as I said earlier 500 to 1000 corrupt enemies of the state. The rest would have fallen in line,10 to 20 years to stability. maybe 30 then we can start contemplating elections once masses have had access to books etc

Easiest and quickest way would be to get army and isi on side

Hi,

You are right---and that has been the same thing I have been saying for awhile----. Msuh had the nation in the palm of his hands---he could have taken it to new heights----. We had great expectations from him---. But in the end---he failed us terribly.


But the tragedy lies in the way it happend----Bhuuto was arrogant----Zia became a fanatic----either extremes----but Mushyy didn it with total non-chalance-----. As if he cared less for what was happeniong in and around him----.

In 2007 I talked to a family member in the prime minister circle about the sugar mills crisis in pakistan---when the issue first came up---some people got scared that MUSHY is going to smash them----but then nothing happened--couple of senior politicians went to him to complain---and here is verbatim what he said---"TUM BHI KAR LO"----.



I equally blame Imran Khan and Shahbaz Sharif and Amin Faheem of not looking into the interest of pakistan first but rather their personal egos.

If they could have partenered with Mush---at leats the nincompoop Ch Shujaat and co would have not come in front----.

Imran Khan or Shahbaz could have taken charge of the stae from Mush in due time and the nation would have moved ahead----. Shahbaz sold pakistan to protect his older brother----Imran had no clue how to do it when given the oppurtunity----.

Amin Faheem on the other hand had no ballz to take charge---son of Talib ul maula ( I believe) had no courage in him to lead----.

Out of all these three----Imran Khan was the biggest enemy of pakistan----then Shahbaz-----. So what is the big deal---there is a millitary coupe---but the nation still has to move forward---somebody needs to sacrifice---you just can't leave the nation to falter and drown in incompetence----you just can't let the nation break down-----you just can't say that we will build it again----you can't keep doing these stu-pid and silly things with your motherland----you need to learn to find a way to keep moving ahead all the time.

Strategy and gamesmanship would have been to join Mush and slowly, then take away the power from him and in due time let him walk away----.

Now----through all this mayhem----we have the most despicable human being as the president of the country----the country has been systematically raped, plundered and destroyed.

And 10 years from now----Zardari would be saying the saem thing that Ayub stated hen he was asked hat question---why did you knowingly put an incompetent man as the president---and he stated---just for the revenge of how I have been treated---.

 

[MastanKhan]

Yes purpose of this thread is to glorify Vcheng and criticise all current Think tanks lol

Sir,

The purpose of this thread is to acknowledge the effort of those who want to lead---and to shine a light on those who were supposed to lead---the TT---but who have reasons known better to themselve to not have taken charge of discussions regarding some very serious issue in the last 7 months at least.

Now you have been continuously been passing around sarcastic comments in the past couple of days----could we see what your share of discussion has been about some sensitive issues happening in and around pakistan.

Should the TT, under fire, must not come forward and answer for what they are being charged with. They are men---I am sure they don't need to hide---.

So---again---if you challenge my integrity---I don't have a problemt----but then you got to prove and show on this board what you have written lately of significance.

This thread is not to glorify Vcheng----but if it was---then what is the big deal---he is able---he is capable---he makes a very probing and tactical statements---he has some very thought provoking posts that make you spin around---so what is wrong with that picture----!

 

[lem34]

Hi,

You are right---and that has been the same thing I have been saying for awhile----. Msuh had the nation in the palm of his hands---he could have taken it to new heights----. We had great expectations from him---. But in the end---he failed us terribly.


But the tragedy lies in the way it happend----Bhuuto was arrogant----Zia became a fanatic----either extremes----but Mushyy didn it with total non-chalance-----. As if he cared less for what was happeniong in and around him----.

In 2007 I talked to a family member in the prime minister circle about the sugar mills crisis in pakistan---when the issue first came up---some people got scared that MUSHY is going to smash them----but then nothing happened--couple of senior politicians went to him to complain---and here is verbatim what he said---"TUM BHI KAR LO"----.



I equally blame Imran Khan and Shahbaz Sharif and Amin Faheem of not looking into the interest of pakistan first but rather their personal egos.

If they could have partenered with Mush---at leats the nincompoop Ch Shujaat and co would have not come in front----.

Imran Khan or Shahbaz could have taken charge of the stae from Mush in due time and the nation would have moved ahead----. Shahbaz sold pakistan to protect his older brother----Imran had no clue how to do it when given the oppurtunity----.

Amin Faheem on the other hand had no ballz to take charge---son of Talib ul maula ( I believe) had no courage in him to lead----.

Out of all these three----Imran Khan was the biggest enemy of pakistan----then Shahbaz-----. So what is the big deal---there is a millitary coupe---but the nation still has to move forward---somebody needs to sacrifice---you just can't leave the nation to falter and drown in incompetence----you just can't let the nation break down-----you just can't say that we will build it again----you can't keep doing these stu-pid and silly things with your motherland----you need to learn to find a way to keep moving ahead all the time.

Strategy and gamesmanship would have been to join Mush and slowly, then take away the power from him and in due time let him walk away----.

Now----through all this mayhem----we have the most despicable human being as the president of the country----the country has been systematically raped, plundered and destroyed.

And 10 years from now----Zardari would be saying the saem thing that Ayub stated hen he was asked hat question---why did you knowingly put an incompetent man as the president---and he stated---just for the revenge of how I have been treated---.

WOW MastanKhan

Im not the only one that can see what needs to be done lol.

I have posted a few months ago on a thread about Imran:

I felt that his heart was in the right place but intellectually he is not quite there. The most he could have done is been a figure head with a good team around him. He should have done what Shariffs did in the eighties with the patronage of Zia, Imran could have done with the patronage of Mushy ie build a party machinary that was supportive of him. Its better to have some power and be able to influence rather than be in eternal opposition. If he had been astute he could have used Mushy but he wasnt and didnt, I dont think he has the capacity to win now either. He doesnt in my opinion have a team even now.

Prior to Shariffs going back to Pakistan I remember going on to a blog under an article in about 2006 or 2007 written by a journalist Ahmed Quereshi about americas plans to destabalise pakistan because Mushy wouldnt bend as much as they wanted him to bend and putting a comment on that I felt that Sharif and Mushy should bury the hatchet and put pakistan ahead of their egos and try to do a deal. Not only did I do that but I rang Shariffs office in London to try to encourage him to bury the hatchet. To be honest I didnt get very far. The first day I called Shariffs office in london and gave my first name I was left holding the phone for 15 minutes or so. I called the following day and gave my surname Butt the second occasion. This time I got straight through but was informed neither of the brothers were in the UK. I didnt consider Shabaz on his own cos I never felt he would do a deal without his brother. I was dissapointed with shariffs ego.

It was abhorrent to me that mushy would sell pakistan out and himself by doing a deal with Benazir. Why couldnt he see that it was not only bad for paksitan but it was transparent that he was doing it solely so that he could stay in power. Staying in power for the sake of power allways ends in tears. Mushy went well down in my estimation for doing that deal with benazir and allowing her back in the country

I suppose a potential solution could be if Imran could be persuaded to be a figurehead president or if not imran a suitable technocrat type. For the army to use the ISI machinary and fix the forthcoming elections thereby keeping the facade of democracy for Imran or chosen person to lead. This facade would keep the image of democracy alive and ensure that west couldnt use this as a stick to beat pakistan with. After all what democracy do we have now when what is it ppp got 3 mill out of 180 mill and they are the “popular party” lol.

Then the night of the long knives lol. Make a list of people who are interned and jailed forthwith. Either they bend or are eliminated. Ouch thats so painfull but hey we have hundreds being killed by incompetent democratic govt one way or another.

The first 5 year plan would concentrate on security and education. Iraddicate literacy. Along this eliminate hunger and poverty etc. I think our Chinese brothers would love for this to happen although they are well known for non interference I think they would be very supportive for starters

Fiction but hey 5 years ago if we had said theif zardari will be president what would you have said.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Sir,

The purpose of this thread is to acknowledge the effort of those who want to lead---and to shine a light on those who were supposed to lead---the TT---but who have reasons known better to themselve to not have taken charge of discussions regarding some very serious issue in the last 7 months at least.

Now you have been continuously been passing around sarcastic comments in the past couple of days----could we see what your share of discussion has been about some sensitive issues happening in and around pakistan.

Should the TT, under fire, must not come forward and answer for what they are being charged with. They are men---I am sure they don't need to hide---.

So---again---if you challenge my integrity---I don't have a problemt----but then you got to prove and show on this board what you have written lately of significance.

This thread is not to glorify Vcheng----but if it was---then what is the big deal---he is able---he is capable---he makes a very probing and tactical statements---he has some very thought provoking posts that make you spin around---so what is wrong with that picture----!

I don't know why you think that TT are hiding. Peoples have their commitments in real life and think tanks are not any less capable than your hero Vcheng and i think all members are valuable to this forum even those who spend few minutes on this forum. Vcheng can serve this forums without the tag of think tank attached with him. No need to complain and moaning about it.

 

[MastanKhan]

I don't know why you think that TT are hiding. Peoples have their commitments in real life and think tanks are not any less capable than your hero Vcheng and i think all members are valuable to this forum even those who spend few minutes on this forum. Vcheng can serve this forums without the tag of think tank attached with him. No need to complain and moaning about it.

Sir,

You need to learn to talk like a man---these hidden taunts and sarcasm----it gets old---. Thank you.

Next things is---I don't understand what your interest is in this discussion---you are a fresh member---nothing wrong with that---but please introduce yourself and tell us what your stand is----. Thank oyu.

If you can't understand by now about being put on the pedastal of TT----then I can't play the flute in front of you any more---but if you want learn why---please let me know---and I will share it with you---no pun intended---.

 

[MastanKhan]

AryanB,

I have been talking to these guys about this issue for the last so many years---Pakistan is motherland----Dharti Mata----for its security---you have to sign with the devil sometimes---and Mushy was no devil---.

I acn say that he got misguided by the Ch Shujaat brothers and co----. That is what took him down---he was too liberal for a dictator---we can't forget what he done for the news media the freedom he gave---. I firmly believe that the Ch brothers were clueless in running the nation----. But I guess at the end of the day----the top dog takes the blame.

 

[fd24]

I don't know why you think that TT are hiding. Peoples have their commitments in real life and think tanks are not any less capable than your hero Vcheng and i think all members are valuable to this forum even those who spend few minutes on this forum. Vcheng can serve this forums without the tag of think tank attached with him. No need to complain and moaning about it.

By posting this you are clearly showing that you cannot comprehend what this thread is about. I think MastanKhan has very kindly gone out of his way to explain what he and we believe this thread is about. With respect if it out of your intellect depth then it may be advisable for you to please not make comments that dont add anything of substance to it and make you look a bit inadequate. If you feel MastanKhan is moaning and complaining about it then please dont come onto this thread and comment as several of us have enjoyed and absorbed plenty of emotion and feelings from the posts. I have appreciated comments made by people like Asim Aquil, MastanKhan,Agnostic and VCheng.
To make snidey comments suggesting this is to glorify VCheng is almost amusingly funny. I dont think at his age and our age we want to become "glory boys". Please leave this thread alone as it has shown us a side of you that isnt appreciated on here nor i believe you appreciate us either. I hope this is taken in the manner i have presented it and not as a personal attack on you.
Thanks

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

here we go again we have so many self proclaimed genius on this board lol who are such a high intellectual that peoples with tiny brain cannot comprehend them better peoples with tiny brain leave these intellectual alone