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Agni Missiles: More than what meets the eye?

I believe that India has the missile tech. But it does not have warhead miniaturization tech. As a result, A MT Indian bomb has as much yield as a Hiroshima bomb
 
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The Soviet Politburo turned down Nehru's request for weapon supply and continued backing the Chinese. This war left an impression on India that the Soviet Union was an unreliable ally, therefore nuclear deterrence was felt necessary. Design work began in 1965 under Bhabha and proceeded by Raja Ramanna, who took over the programme after former's death.

Bhabha now was aggressively lobbying for the nuclear weapons and made several speeches on Indian radio. In 1964, Bhabha told the Indian public via India radio that "such nuclear weapons are remarkably cheap", and supported his arguments by relating the economical cost of American nuclear testing program (Plowshare). Bhabha maintained to the politicians that "10 kt device would cost around $350,000 and $600,000 for a 2 Mt". From this, he estimated that "a stockpile of some 50 atomic bombs would cost under $21 million and a stockpile of 50 two-megaton hydrogen bombs something of the order of $31.5 million."[6] But, the U.S. Plowshare cost figures were based on the the incremental cost of producing devices by a vast industrial complex costing tens of billions of dollars, which had already manufactured nuclear weapons numbering in the tens of thousands. The delivery systems for nuclear weapons typically cost several times as much as the weapons themselves. The real cost to India for any nuclear program would be orders of magnitude greater than Bhabha's claims,noted by the "Nuclear Weapon Archive".
The nuclear programme was partially slowed down when Lal Bahadur Shastri became the prime minister, who had low ambitions regarding the nuclear program. In 1965, Shastri faced another war, this time with West Pakistan (now Pakistan). Shastri appointed physicist Vikram Sarabhai as the head of nuclear programme, but because of his Gandhian beliefs, Sarabhai focused the programme to be developed into more peaceful purposes rather than the militarization of the program.
In 1967, Indira Gandhi became the prime minister, the work on nuclear programme resumed with a new attitude and goals. Homi Sethna, a chemical engineer, played a significant role in the development of weapon-grade plutonium while Ramanna designed and manufactured the whole nuclear device. Because of the sensitivity, the first nuclear bomb project did not employ more than 75 scientists. The nuclear weapons program was now directed towards plutonium rather uranium.

In 1968–69, P.K. Iyengar visited the Soviet Union with three other colleagues and toured the nuclear research facilities at Dubna, Russia. During his visit, Iyengar was impressed by the plutonium fueled pulsed fast reactor. Upon his return to India, Iyengar set about developing plutonium reactors and the Indian political leadership approved the plan in January 1969. The secret plutonium plant was known as Purnima and construction took place in March 1969. The plant's leadership included the roles of Iyengar, Ramanna, Homi Sethna, and Sarabhai. Sarabhai's presence clearly indicates that with or without formal approval, the work on nuclear weapons at Trombay was commenced


To preserve secrecy, the project employed no more than 75 scientists and engineers from 1967–74


France sent a congratulatory telegram to India but later on withdrew it



One thing to take from all this is that we have the capability to achieve a great deal. Our scientists have the ability but our politicans lack the clarity and the will. Some may say they are right, but many would say otherwise. We only allowed 75-80 scientists to work on Smiling Buddha while other programs had 1000's. Our biggest stumbling block are politicans who are elected have many different perspectives. There should be only one when it comes to India. Every government that becomes elected should strive for the best in the following core areas such as security, development, environmental protection, food/water security, efficient goverance, etc. Stop getting in the way of progress. Every development should have input from a multiple facets, peaceful and militarily.




To my fellow Indians, we cannot afford amateur hour when it comes to the next elections. This is why I willl vote for MODI regardless of my faith. My religion doesn't and shouldn't matter.
 
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The author just compared the total masses vs. ranges of various systems and declared Agni series to be advanced than it appears.
However on the other hand, US, Russia, China have all mastered solid-fuels and produced the most efficient ones with very high efficiencies. Furthermore, the Agni series has pretty heavy missile structure, whereas the missiles with which it is being compared to have very light and strong structures and high thrust-to-weight ratio.
 
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:lol: India can't even get Agni 1 to work properly. Just delude themselves silly.
 
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The author just compared the total masses vs. ranges of various systems and declared Agni series to be advanced than it appears.
However on the other hand, US, Russia, China have all mastered solid-fuels and produced the most efficient ones with very high efficiencies. Furthermore, the Agni series has pretty heavy missile structure, whereas the missiles with which it is being compared to have very light and strong structures and high thrust-to-weight ratio.



At the end of the day, you truly do not know. India could have made advances.
 
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The author just compared the total masses vs. ranges of various systems and declared Agni series to be advanced than it appears.
However on the other hand, US, Russia, China have all mastered solid-fuels and produced the most efficient ones with very high efficiencies. Furthermore, the Agni series has pretty heavy missile structure, whereas the missiles with which it is being compared to have very light and strong structures and high thrust-to-weight ratio.

The quality of fuel can be gauged from the terminal speed and Max Height gained by the projectile !
 
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I believe that India has the missile tech. But it does not have warhead miniaturization tech. As a result, A MT Indian bomb has as much yield as a Hiroshima bomb

Nothing more than wishful thinking,warhead design is the easier part a Nuclear program compared to fuel enrichment and the development of the delivery mechanisms.You just believe what you want to believe.
 
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A well-known 1985 West German intelligence report cited one agent's unconfirmed report that the brief from the Rajiv Gandhi government to BARC was to "continue working on the development of a nuclear fusion weapon (hydrogen bomb)." BARC was to ensure that "within two months of a Pakistani test, the second Indian test should be carried out. Such an Indian test should simultaneously be used for the development of a fusion explosion."

During the 1980s, India established an inertial confinement fusion programme to study high-density physics associated with thermonuclear weapons. In 1989, then CIA director, William H Webster, told the US Senate that several other indicators pointed to India's interest in acquiring a thermonuclear weapons capability, including the purification of lithium, production of tritium, and the separation of lithium isotopes.

Although several experts in the US nonproliferation community believed that India had the scientific expertise to build a hydrogen bomb, the critical breakthrough in a thermonuclear weapon design came in the mid-1990s. According to Indian scientists, if India had tested in 1982-83 as planned originally, it would have involved the validation of miniaturised fission and boosted-fission designs.


Weaponisation, according to India Today, involved four steps. Nuclear devices were miniaturised to facilitate delivery from aircraft. Weapon designs were ruggedised for field deployment and transport. Mechanical and electronic arming and safing systems were installed in weapon systems to prevent unauthorised or accidental detonations. And by 1989, the Indian air force modified combat aircraft and perfected techniques for the aerial delivery of nuclear munitions.

According to new information released by the Indian government, the process of weaponisation was divided between BARC and the Defence Research and Development Organisation. BARC worked out concepts related to the "long shelf life of the nuclear components" and the "optimisation of the weight-to-yield ratio." It was also responsible for the fabrication of fissile material into suitable shapes. DRDO labs worked to weaponise the nuclear devices to military specifications. This involved the design and development of the high-explosive lenses to be used in the implosion device, "high-volt trigger systems, interface engineering, and systems integration to military specifications." Three other labs, according to the science advisor to the defence minister, A P J Abdul Kalam, contributed to the "arming, fusing, safety interlocks and flight-trials."

Weaponisation was also accompanied by the establishment of a rudimentary command, control, and communications structure to manage contingencies arising from nuclear war planning. In the winter of 1990, the former director of DRDO, V S Arunachalam, apparently told Harvard academic Stephen P Rosen, that the civilian leadership in New Delhi fought a difficult struggle with the military over custody of nuclear weapons. That struggle was finally resolved in favour of civilians. Apparently, the military was told neither of the exact number of nuclear weapons that India might have, nor how they would be employed in a nuclear war. But the civilians drew up detailed instructions to deal with problems in the absence of a formally articulated nuclear doctrine. These instructions were given to a certain theatre military commander with instructions to open them in the event of a nuclear war.

In his book, Societies and Military Power: India and Its Armies, Rosen quoted Arunachalam as saying, "If New Delhi goes up in a mushroom cloud, a certain theatre commander will go to a safe, open his book, and begin reading at page one, paragraph one, and will act step by step on the basis of what he reads...." Arunachalam later denied making that statement. However, Abdul Kalam recently affirmed that India had indeed instituted measures to manage its incipient nuclear weapons capability. Kalam told a press conference on May 17, 1998 that "the [nuclear] command and control structure which had been existing in various forms is now being consolidated."

Besides building air-deliverable fission weapons, BARC also focussed attention on the design of light and compact warheads for ballistic missiles. In the late 1980s, an Indian scientist told a Western observer that BARC had designed a light fission warhead with a mass of 200kg. In this context, it should be noted that analysts had long doubted DRDO's assertion that the Prithvi and Agni would deliver conventional munitions. Cost-benefit analysis of the range, payload, and accuracy indicated that ballistic missiles of that class only made strategic sense if deployed in a nuclear mode.

In July 1989, the Washington Post reported that concerns about BARC's interest in ballistic missile warheads had caused the Bush administration to deny the sale to India of a $ 1.2 million Combined Combined Acceleration Vibration Climatic Test System with a force-level capability of 545 kg. Also known as the "shake and bake" system, a CAVCTS can be used to test re-entry vehicle components for their ability to withstand the heat and stress during missile flight.

Nevertheless, India persisted in its quest to develop re-entry vehicle technology. Between 1989 and 1994, India conducted three Agni flight-tests. Two of these were successful and validated the re-entry vehicle technology. According to DRDO sources, results showed that the missile's composite carbon-carbon nose cone had ablated as designed. While outside temperatures during re-entry reached 3,000°C, temperature inside the re-entry vehicle did not exceed 40°C. Even more importantly, the payload comprising the autopilot, dummy warhead, its arming and fusing systems and the inertial navigation system survived the stress of re-entering the Earth's atmosphere.

Writing in the November 1996 issue of Jane's International Defence Review, Pravin Sawhney, a former artillery officer in the Indian army, described in precise detail as to how DRDO proposed to simulate flight-tests for nuclear warheads over land to ensure that their subsystems functioned in accordance with design parameters. In the absence of permission to conduct "dynamic" tests, Indian scientists proposed that a non-fissionable core be used to replace the fissile material inside the dummy warhead that would be dropped from a helicopter over a test-range.

By examining telemetry data generated during flight and recovering the warhead debris, scientists would be able to determine whether the safety and arming systems unfolded in the designated sequence, whether the fuse functioned at the desired height of burst, and whether the non-fissionable core imploded uniformly.


Whether DRDO actually conducted such tests is still unclear. However, referring to weaponisation of ballistic missile warheads, Abdul Kalam admitted recently that India had "tested the size, weight, performance, and vibrations [of missile warheads]." He further acknowledged that "we have been doing this for quite some time."

This evidence indicates that the May 1998 tests marked the "culmination" of the weaponisation process. Cognisant of India's nuclear neighbourhood, successive governments sought to provide insurance against nuclear blackmail. India's "option" strategy was not a policy of bluff. If current reports attributing the weaponisation decision to the Rajiv Gandhi government are true, then India actually exercised its "option" as early as 1988.

By authorising the tests, the BJP has brought India's secret nuclear weapons programme out of the closet. Earlier governments invested in a policy of existential deterrence. The BJP has taken that policy a major step further authorising the validation of a series of weapon designs. Simultaneously, it has declared its intention to operationalise deterrence by integrating weapons into the armed forces, formally articulating a nuclear doctrine, and institutionalising a command, control, and communications structure. These constitute the first steps on the road to a strategy of nuclear war fighting.


Come with cool and rational mind guys. And should you have rational mind, the better.

India is trying to meet its strategic calculus with MIRV's why?
Why DRDO is doing the above, if they know BARC does not have miniaturized warheads?
It is reported that India has 200KG Fission warhead, hence it is logically concluded that fussion weapon with a secondary would come handy in the shape of 450KG the max.
India does not claim to have yield in MT, but KT, which is reasonable claim.

Emphasising that India's hydrogen bomb test Pokhran II was "successful" and achieved all the desired goals, Atomic Energy Commission Chairman Anil Kakodkar said on Thursday that the controversy over the yield was "unnecessary" as the country has deterrence capability of up to 200 kilotons.

"Once again, I would like to re-emphasise that the 1998 nuclear tests were fully successful. We achieved all objectives in toto," Kakodkar, who was the Director of Bhabha Atomic Research Centre in 1998, said.

"It has given us the capability to build deterrence based on both fission and thermonuclear weapon systems from modest to all the way up to 200 kilotons and possibility of meeting all our security requirements," he said at a joint press conference with Principal Scientific Advisor to the Government R Chidambaram.

Describing the May 1998 thermonuclear test as "perfectly successful", Chidambaram said in the last 11 years several scientific peer reviews to explain the efficacy and yield were published.

"We scientists cannot go beyond that as proliferation sensitive information cannot be divulged
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Explaining how the two-stage device needed a thorough understanding of advanced seismology and radiochemistry, Chidambaram said "our results were so accurate that we disclosed the yield on the same day of the explosion which no other country has done as science has evolved in the last two decades."
 
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Plasma/Fusion/high temperature magnetically confined plasmas research in Modi Nagri Gujarat.

The institute is currently in the process of building a Steady State Superconducting Tokamak (SST-1) and is one of the partners in the international ITER project.
 
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Steady State Superconducting Tokamak (SST-1)


It belongs to a new generation of tokamaks with the major objective being steady state operation of an advanced configuration ('D' Shaped) plasma. It has been designed as a medium-sized tokamak with superconducting magnets. The SST-1 project will increase India's stronghold in a selected group of countries who are capable of conceptualizing and making a fully functional fusion based reactor device. Next stage of the SST-1 mission, the SST-2, dubbed as 'DEMO', has already been initiated. The SST-1 System is housed in Institute for Plasma Research, Gandhinagar. The integration of the system has been completed as of 15 January 2012; 4 months ahead of revised schedule.


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The assembly of SST-1 convinced the top brass of Indian bureaucracy to give a green flag to the claim of Indian physicists to join the ITER program. Subsequently on 17 August 2005, PM Sayeed, then India'a power minister informed the Rajya Sabha about India'a claim to join ITER. A team from ITER, France visited the SST-1 mission control housed in Institute for Plasma Research and was amazed to see the advances Indian scientists had made. Finally on 6 December 2005, India was officially accepted as a full partner of the ITER project. To improve and modify some of the components, the SST-1 machine was subsequently disassembled. The improved version of the machine was completely assembled by January 2012.
 
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Nothing more than wishful thinking,warhead design is the easier part a Nuclear program compared to fuel enrichment and the development of the delivery mechanisms.You just believe what you want to believe.

not a miniature warhead. Anyone can create a huge bomb similar to the one drop in Hiroshima. But not the ones in modern SLBM such as the ones in Trident III missile. India certainly do not have this capability as it conducted very few unclear tests.
 
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This is India my friends. What you see is not what it is :lol:

I have no doubt that Agni will be tested on its full range one day. For now now lets wait for Nirbhay, Agni 6, Mirved Agnis and other bunch underdevelopment.
 
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