Agni Missiles: More than what meets the eye?

[zaxcollix]

fart 1: seismic reading of indian nuke test was too low for a h-bomb
fart 2: india refuse to sign nuclear arms treaty. why is that? becasue she hasn't exploded a thermonuclear yet. she needs to successfully test one first, so she can collect the data for simulation with supercomputer later on. you cannot simulate without data. need to to do physical test, so no signing treaty yet. too obvious..

.....look chinese propaganda solider boy .....India does not have nukes so you dont have to pi$$ your pants. Its all a big lie........now stop shivering and eat some pigs.

 

[qwerrty]

get out of your well


from NTI

There is considerable controversy over the yield and reliability of India's nuclear devices. When India tested its first fission device in May 1974, Indian scientists claimed the device had a yield of about 12 kilotons (kt); however, some Indian officials later stated that the figure was closer to 8 to 10 kt, while other independent analysts estimate that the yield was as low as between 4 and 6 kt.[9]

Similar disputes surround India's May 1998 tests. After the first of round of tests on 11 May India's Department of Atomic Energy (DAE) announced that it had simultaneously tested three nuclear devices: a thermonuclear device with a yield of 43 kt; a fission device with a yield of 12 kt; and a sub-kiloton device with a yield of 0.2 kt.[10] However, analysts and scientists outside of India – citing evidence from geologic and seismic data – concluded that the cumulative yield of the Indian tests was much lower, implying that the second stage of the thermonuclear test had not detonated successfully.[11] In subsequent years, the controversy was reignited following announcements in 2000 by P.K. Iyengar, former chief of the Department of Atomic Energy, and in 2009 by K. Santhanam, field director of the 1998 tests, that the tests did not achieve the desired results.[12] These scientists argue that India should therefore refrain from signing the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty (CTBT) and conduct further tests.[13] However, Anil Kakodkar and R. Chidambaram, present and former leaders of the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC), have consistently disputed these claims, maintaining that their original estimates were correct and that further testing is unnecessary.[14]

*ttp://www.nti.org/country-profiles/india/nuclear/

 

[trident2010]

lol .. qwerrty is a real internet warriror, here is my 50 cents

 

[qwerrty]

i posted with backup facts. none of you so far post anything decent other than attacking me. is that all you people capable of? lol

 

[ashok321]

A missile this big has to carry large warheads of 100-200 kt

100-200 KT range is the YIELD of the warhead.

And when you imply large warhead in such (above equation) you are wrong. Because new nuke weapons are miniaturized and consequently India is going for W-87 type MIRV warheads with a mass of 250 KG only and punch (Yield) of 450KT. And this is 1985 Product of the USA. The Article rightly says India is behind US for those many numbers of years.

So, 250 KG warhead = 450 KT Yield.....

Now minimize those above numbers conservatively against Indian claim of 200 KT (Kakodkar).

So in my opinion, its fairly a Yield of 200KT with a mass of 250 KG warhead. Because 1985 USA = 450 KT.

 

[Broccoli]

100-200 KT range is the YIELD of the warhead.

And when you imply large warhead in such (above equation) you are wrong. Because new nuke weapons are miniaturized and consequently India is going for W-87 type MIRV warheads with a mass of 250 KG only and punch (Yield) of 450KT. And this is 1985 Product of the USA. The Article rightly says India is behind US for those many numbers of years.

So, 250 KG warhead = 450 KT Yield.....

Now minimize those above numbers conservatively against Indian claim of 200 KT (Kakodkar).

So in my opinion, its fairly a Yield of 200KT with a mass of 250 KG warhead. Because 1985 USA = 450 KT.

There is no evidence that India would even close of that sort of yield-to-weight ratios. India is going to produce something like W87 based on one fizzled test? Not in this world, buddy. People here don't seem to realize how hard it is to make thermonuclear weapons and why they are always tested...


Chinese tested their new warhead designed for DF-31 six times.

Following the resumption of testing in 1987, an analysis of Chinese test yields suggests at least two additional designs:--Two tests in the 200‐300 KT range probably involved the warhead for the DF‐21/JL‐1 proposed in 1986 by Deng Jiaxian and YuMin. Then, in September 1992, China conducted a low yield test that was reported to validate an aspherical primary for a miniaturized nuclear warhead that could arm the DF‐31/JL‐2. This development probably obviated the DF‐21/JL‐1 warhead. China announced its intention to complete negotiations on a CTBT “no later than 1996” following the first full scale test of the warhead for the DF‐31 in October 1993. Six tests in the 50‐150 KT range probably completed validation for the design.

http://www.cissm.umd.edu/papers/files/the_minimum_means_of_reprisal.pdf

Here is the 470kg DF-31 RV and it's yield seems to be around 700kt (1992 test).

Btw, could someone here tell me one country what has produced thermonuclear weapons without any testing? Yeah, there ain't one.

 

[qwerrty]

Btw, could someone here tell me one country what has produced thermonuclear weapons without any testing? Yeah, there ain't one.

there's a reason why they refuse to sign the nuclear arms treaty

 

[Subho]

fart 1: seismic reading of indian nuke test was too low for a h-bomb
fart 2: india refuse to sign nuclear arms treaty. why is that? becasue she hasn't exploded a thermonuclear yet. she needs to successfully test one first, so she can collect the data for simulation with supercomputer later on. you cannot simulate without data. need to to do physical test, so no signing treaty yet. too obvious..

you have been farting around too much here and there.better go and fart for your country ,so that they collect some data .dont deprive your country of your valuable fart.stop worrying abt india,we will take carw of our nation.

 

[acid rain]

There is no evidence that India would even close of that sort of yield-to-weight ratios. India is going to produce something like W87 based on one fizzled test? Not in this world, buddy. People here don't seem to realize how hard it is to make thermonuclear weapons and why they are always tested...





Btw, could someone here tell me one country what has produced thermonuclear weapons without any testing? Yeah, there ain't one.

India's nuclear weapons program has been on going from the 1950's and it's highly secretive for obvious reasons like multiple control regimes and the west's bias towards India and laymen can do no better than hazard guesses based on just a couple of misleading media articles.

India had enough uranium (1000 tons) in the 1950's itself to make a 1000 nuclear devices. Can one even remotely estimate our stock pile now? : - from a couple of random western based media reports - 80 - 90 sub kilo ton nukes ....yeah right.

and, only a fool would assume that India would invest in billions worth nuclear capable delivery systems which can carry more than 2000 tons payloads thousands of kms to dispense sub kilo ton nuke devices.

keep living in your bubble - as for chinese systems.....oh well, the less said about them the better.

 

[Indrajith]

Some US nuclear gurus also believe any break-out test at this point will be detrimental to India, even if it is aimed at validating its thermo-nuclear device, or the so-called Hydrogen Bomb.

"An Indian test would be very toxic to cooperation it has just gained under the nuclear deal. It's hard to see what India would gain," said Gary Milholin Director of the Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms Control.

Ensuring a reliable thermonuclear bomb? Milholin scoffed at the idea. "There are people who say American nuclear bombs won't work because we have not tested for so long," he laughed. "I don't think anyone would want to test that assumption."

Similarly, he said, it would be risky for any country to count on India's thermonuclear weapon to have a low yield.

"There are now ways other than testing to increase confidence," Milholin added. "And I think India has enough computing power to do that."

 

[Safriz]

100-200 KT range is the YIELD of the warhead.

And when you imply large warhead in such (above equation) you are wrong. Because new nuke weapons are miniaturized and consequently India is going for W-87 type MIRV warheads with a mass of 250 KG only and punch (Yield) of 450KT. And this is 1985 Product of the USA. The Article rightly says India is behind US for those many numbers of years.

So, 250 KG warhead = 450 KT Yield.....

Now minimize those above numbers conservatively against Indian claim of 200 KT (Kakodkar).

So in my opinion, its fairly a Yield of 200KT with a mass of 250 KG warhead. Because 1985 USA = 450 KT.

Fission fusion fission and again fusion...
the warheads you are talking about are three to four layered and have to be built accurately..even then yield is not guaranteed unless its built after a series of tests....

 

[Ayush]

i hope that it is indeed more than what meets the eye.

nice thread.

 

[jha]

Nothing Secret in this.. The range is what is being published. Same is the case with Brahmos. Its range is 290 Kms.

 

[trident2010]

"There are now ways other than testing to increase confidence, and India has enough computing power to do that."

Sums up all nicely !!

 

[axisofevil]

I hope the missile range is true. Three things concern me though. The material used to build the missile, the design of the missile and the composition of the fuel are 3 things play critical roles with regard to Agni's range. Improving and continously improving all 3 points will lead to superior missil development in the future. Also, focus on newer engine prototypes.