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Agni III doesn't pose threat, we share friendly relations with India: China

I guess if all of the Issues are resolved on the table then Pakistan China and India can move forward to make an Economic / Military block to undermine the influence of Yankeez.

This is not going to happen. US interest is not determine by the relationship of this three country along. US has bigger fish to fry. Some of it involve China but others involve Russia and EU.
 
Is China planing to increase the bilateral trade ?

Also, there is trade imbalance.

China only want to extort and creates walls for import from India.

China mainly imports raw material from India and refuses the entry of Indian products. Which is unfair and our industries and jobs does not benift. While the export from China led to killing of opportunities for our companies and unemployed people.
 
Also, there is trade imbalance.

China only want to extort and creates walls for import from India.

China mainly imports raw material from India and refuses the entry of Indian products. Which is unfair and our industries and jobs does not benift. While the export from China led to killing of opportunities for our companies and unemployed people.

Pathetic attitude. It is an open market, people will buy from you what you have that they value at competitive prices.

Indian labour and cost of living is much lower than China, yet why can't you export? Could it because of poor quality, or because of lack of products, or because of lack of skills? Please don't make lame lies to cover up for your own incompetence. If you want jobs for India, then it is your responsibility to set up the necessary conditions for it to succeed. First, organize and train your masses. Secondly, create efficient infrastructure and factories. Thirdly, complain and blame others less, and work and study more. Do these 3 things and your nation will improve.
 
Pathetic attitude. It is an open market, people will buy from you what you have that they value at competitive prices.

Indian labour and cost of living is much lower than China, yet why can't you export? Could it because of poor quality, or because of lack of products, or because of lack of skills? Please don't make lame lies to cover up for your own incompetence. If you want jobs for India, then it is your responsibility to set up the necessary conditions for it to succeed. First, organize and train your masses. Secondly, create efficient infrastructure and factories. Thirdly, complain and blame others less, and work and study more. Do these 3 things and your nation will improve.

i think you will find we do export but its more on software side and outsourcing will requires abit more skilled labour force ore do you think 7% growth during economic downturn is made up where you been for the last 20 odd years on the moon
 
Pathetic attitude. It is an open market, people will buy from you what you have that they value at competitive prices.

Indian labour and cost of living is much lower than China, yet why can't you export? Could it because of poor quality, or because of lack of products, or because of lack of skills? Please don't make lame lies to cover up for your own incompetence. If you want jobs for India, then it is your responsibility to set up the necessary conditions for it to succeed. First, organize and train your masses. Secondly, create efficient infrastructure and factories. Thirdly, complain and blame others less, and work and study more. Do these 3 things and your nation will improve.

First thing first, u should not talk about something u don't know about.

Where are the Chinese goods?


In the year 2000, Indian motorcycle makers were a worried lot. A number of them had announced plans to launch dirt-cheap Chinese bikes, fearing that such dumped motorcycles would swamp the Indian market.

Today, the fear of Chinese motorcycles no longer stalks manufacturers. "I don't think the Chinese are interested in the Indian market now," says Atul Sobti, vice-president (marketing), Hero Honda Motors Ltd [ Get Quote ].

Only one company, Monto Motors, launched Chinese motorcycles in the country. In a market, which sells over 2.5 million units a year, the firm claims to have sold around 15,000 bikes so far.

Three years after the threat was realised, Chinese imports have failed to make a dent in segments like two-wheelers, automobile components, tyres, consumer electronics and computers.

The Confederation of Indian Industry and Federation of Indian Chamber of Commerce and Industry, which had lobbied vigorously to block the onslaught, say dumping by China is no longer an issue.

But how did the miracle take place?

To begin with, Indians beat the Chinese at their game of aggressive pricing. Three years ago, the entry-level price of Indian motorcycles was Rs 31,000, and there was talk of Chinese motorcycles being launched at Rs 25,000.

Since then, Indian firms have brought down the entry-level price to Rs 26,000. Monto's Chinese bike, the Cosmo Blaster, in contrast, is available for Rs 30,000.

Videocon chairman V N Dhoot says he has been exporting 21-inch televisions for as less as $68, while the Chinese price is $78.

Dhoot and other Indian producers did face an initial challenge from Chinese brands like Konka and TCL, but these names failed to make headway.

Says R K Caprihan, chief executive of Kelon Corporation, which imports products from China to sell under its own brand name: "Chinese firms did not succeed in India because they did not understand the market. Televisions may be slightly cheaper in China, but this differential alone does not justify doing business in India."

In the case of automobile components as well, Indian companies have attained the critical mass to match Chinese prices.

Leading automobile companies like Bajaj Auto and LML had scouted the Chinese industry to source components but could not find anything worthwhile.

Far from being annihilated by China, Indian manufacturers currently hold potential export orders worth $10 billion.

Interestingly, Bajaj Auto now plans to produce a bike in China, with components supplied from India.

"The Chinese are delighted with our quality and price," Bajaj Auto vice-president (business development and marketing) R L Ravichandran said.

Moreover, the Chinese could not deliver quality products. According to Pankaj Gupta, director of the Society of Indian Automobile Manufacturers, Chinese products failed because of India's stricter emission norms.

"Their problem was that if they complied with Indian norms, they lost their cost advantage," Gupta said.

"I have heard they are now more keen to sell engines. But even that may be difficult because of our emission norms," Sobti pointed out.

"We had considered getting a Chinese brand to India. But we later realised that these products may not be of good quality. Indian standards in consumer electronics have been defined by the Japanese, who came in earlier," Dhoot said.

The same goes for tyres. Industry players say Chinese truck tyres did surface at 10-12 per cent cheaper prices but sales figures were never significant.

"Chinese tyres cannot succeed in India because of the difficult road conditions," Apollo Tyres [ Get Quote ] cOnkar Singh Kanwar explained.

On average, the life expectancy of a Chinese tyre is at least 20 per cent less than its Indian counterpart. With almost 75 per cent of Indian trucks being owner-driven, Chinese tyres did not go down well with these value-for-money customers.

Also, the market for certain products in India is not yet large enough. Take computers, for instance. While China sold 40 million personal computers in 2002-03, India sold 2.3 million.

"Fears that Indian manufacturers of computer hardware will be hit by cheap Chinese imports seem to have receded now," says Vinnie Mehta, executive director of the Manufacturer's Association for Information Technology.

However, Chinese products have come to dominate the lower end of the product spectrum, in segments like toys and electrical accessories.

A walk down New Delhi's Karolbagh market reveals that Chinese toys are selling more than Indian brands. Shopkeepers disclosed they had stopped stocking Indian-made toys.

The price of a battery-operated Chinese car has fallen from Rs 300 two years ago to Rs 60. The fall in prices has caught the fancy of low-income families.
The sale of Chinese batteries, torches and accessories, like earphones and speakers, have also seen a 25-30 per cent sales growth in the past year. But here too, retailers say, the craze for Chinese products is on the decline.

BS Corporate Bureau
 
One has to to be see chinese reaction by keeping emotions aside. India should not swept away by just sweet talks.

1. This is China's policy they believe in surprises so other country is unprepared and off guarded, they sweet talk like hindi chini bhai bhai and then back stab.

It is Nehru who invented the Hindi slogan, not the Chinese who never use Hindi language.

2. They also has to calm down their people about Agni's reach to their main cities.

India should not go by their talks but should watch their actions. The answer lies in:

Is China supporting anti India activities and funding terrorist?

Is China arming and supplying weapons to any country to severely harm India?

Is China opposing developmental IMF loans?

Is China involve in string of pearls?

Is China occupying part of Kashmir?

Is China have rapidly increases its incursions?

Is China building huge Dam in Tibet to divert Brahmaputra water?

Is China while talking sweet preparing for a war?

etc.. etc......................

Got your point: the more the Chinese promote the peace, the more hostile and bellicose the Indians must be. :hitwall:

Good luck guys. :lol:
 
i think you will find we do export but its more on software side and outsourcing will requires abit more skilled labour force ore do you think 7% growth during economic downturn is made up where you been for the last 20 odd years on the moon

India issues demarche to China on trade barriers
By Dhiraj Nayyar

For the first time ever, India has issued China a demarche on an economic issue. The stern diplomatic protest follows dissatisfaction over the lack of specific commitments by the Chinese government to facilitate the export to that country Indian goods and services, which are increasingly mired by restrictions.

India took the unusual move at the conclusion of a joint economic group meeting in Beijing on Tuesday. The Indian commerce ministry handed the demarche to its Chinese counterpart, listing specific items on which India expects China to take urgent action. Unlike official negotiations, where documents are exchanged in advance, the contents of a demarche are unknown to the other side until it is delivered.

The Chinese were, according to sources, taken by surprise by India's move. At the crux of India's concern is the sharp rise in the trade deficit with China from $1.08 billion in 2001-02 to $22.05 billion on 2008-09 that both Indian industry and the government believe is exacerbated by the barriers the Middle Kingdom has erected on imports from India. The Indian government's move shows how seriously New Delhi is taking the trade imbalance.

When contacted by FE, commerce secretary Rahul Khullar confirmed that such a demarche had indeed been delivered to the Chinese ministry of commerce. Recently, the US issued a demarche to China on the Google issue, but India has never pursued its trade dispute with any country to this extent.

According to government sources, several sector specific issues are listed in the demarche. Topping the list of priorities is the demand to "allow immediate market access for all the remaining 14 fruits & vegetables" whose import from India is still restricted. Next is a demand to "lift the ban on Indian export of de-boned and de-glanded bovine meat" and to "clear the way for Basmati rice exports" from India.

The demarche also demands the "removal of 'local content requirement' and recognition of the international IPR registration regime in order to create a favourable investment environment in wind/non-conventional energy."

Suzlon in particular has expressed serious concern about barriers in this sector.

India has also requested landing rights and uplinking facilities for Indian TV channels. Zee TV is very keen on access to China. The document also urges greater access for Indian films to the Chinese market.

In pharma, another industry that has repeatedly expressed concern about problems, the commerce ministry wants "complete removal of procedural bottlenecks, which delay introduction of Indian drugs in the Chinese market".

India also wants China to "remove tariff and non-tariff barriers on the import of power plant equipment and allow sufficient export of met-coke every year, without imposing any export duties, to meet the requirement of Indian industry".

In terms of general, non-sectoral action, the New Delhi wants Beijing to "encourage state-owned enterprises in that country to source more value-added goods from India"

Time now for India Inc. to enter Chinese markets'

Namrata Kath Hazarika | 19 Jan, 2010
The recent announcement made by the Commerce Minister, Anand Sharma on the labour-intensive sectors for increasing shipments to China would encourage the Indian exporters to excessively market in the non-market thereby reduce the large trade deficit, says Ajay Sahai, Director General, Federation of Indian Exporters Association (FIEO).

"The Market Focus Product Scheme has included two new markets i.e Japan and China as India has balance of trade with these nations."

"The benefits that we are getting under the Market Focus Product Scheme will definitely encourage the Indian exporters to excessively market in China, which would address the adverse trade balance to some extent between India and China," he said.

Further explaining, Sahai added: "China is a non-market economy. Once you are determined as a non-market economy, the pricing chapter which we normally take into account in calculation of anti-dumping duty is different for a market economy and of a non-market economy."

He said, "The push which the government of India is giving them (China), I think will encourage the exporters to export the value-added products. Right now, if you look at India's exports to China, by and large it is only of the raw materials. And, to some extent is of the intermediate products. We are not exporting finished products to China in a big way."

India's Commerce minister, has met the Chinese counterparts today to question China's purchasing efforts for Indian goods and push dialouges on reducing the trade gap between both the countries.

In fact, reports say that over 90 percent of India's major exports to China include only commodities rather than any value-added products. The Chinese importers are reluctant to buy manufactured goods and value-added products from India.

Sharma wants that China should reciprocate in India's favour without taking market access to India for granted.

Explaining further, on the benefits India can reap by accessing the Chinese market, Sahai said, "One should keep in mind that the trend of Chinese currency that has highly over-valued is likely to depreciate. If that happens then the cost of Chinese goods will substantially increase. In the last two years, there has been major increase in the prices of the Chinese products."

"Secondly, in China the labour wages and the social compliance costs are on increase. China has to provide some sort of social comfort to the labour," he said.

"That is why, if we look at the recent trend, all the departmental stores though they are procuring by and large from China, are shifting to India, Vietnam and other countries. Five years down the line, China will not have the edge which they have right now because of currency appreciation and increase in the costs of social compliance. This will provide India a chance to aggressively market in the new market," Sahai added.

At present the Chinese non-performing assets of the banks are on the increase. Few economists are quoting that China's NPAs has gone up to 35 percent.

"If this figure is true then it is a alarming figure. In India, the NPAs are less than five percent. Therefore, no economy can survive if NPAs of the banks are above 35 percent. Looking at all these factors, my personal view is that in the next five years China will not be the country which we know right now," Sahai told SME Times.

"Unfortunately, China may not be the manufacturing base of the world as the prices of the products would definitely go up. So, there is an opportunity for India to export to China. If we (India) do not enter China right now, then it will be difficult after five years. India today has the possibilities of expansion in a big way in China."

He also said it has been a rightful move by the Commerce Minister for tapping the Chinese market. Sahai also opined that the market penetration may not happen in the coming years if wages goes up immensely in China. It is an advantage for India to avail benefits from China right now as China's economic scenario might change in coming years.

The sectors which will have potential opportunity in China are those which can draw little R&D as China is a market which has a mass consumption. Auto component is one such sector which can provide India an edge, Sahai pointed out.

"India has the R&D facility and the best manpower available to do R&D. Though producing the products, China may not be very competitive so far as the R&D facility and design facility are concerned. India has an edge over China. That is why, Chinese companies are quite keen to set up joint ventures with India," he said.

He mentioned: "We are also encouraging Indian exporters for not only to start exporting from here but they can establish units in China. If we are getting the advantage of lower costs, then you can produce there. India can not only produce the technical designing and drawings, but can also manufacture the same from China. Or, we can even do the manufacturing from India as well."

"Secondly, in pharmaceuticals sector. We have an edge over China. China has set the grounds in an alternative system of medicine. But, as far as the 'aloepathic drugs' are concerned, India is quite ahead. It requires constant innovation and upgradation, which does not take place in any other countries in the world. India has a big chance to penetrate those markets."

"Thirdly, bio-technology has huge opportunities in China. In fact, services can also be exported to China. Many leading IT companies are already there in China. But in years to come we will have many IT companies setting up their shops in China," Sahai added.

Earlier on Monday, India's Commerce Minister Anand Sharma had invited Chinese companies to explore opportunities in the infrastructure sector, which needs a whopping USD 500 billion investment in the next five years.

In the three-day official visit to China, the Commerce Ministry will push Chinese government to remove a variety of non-trade barriers that has resulted in low exports of value-added goods to China. India expects barriers in the area of information technology and pharmaceuticals to be removed to allow greater market access to Indian companies.

On the other hand, China is expected to request India to relax the restrictions on the issuance of visas and allow more Chinese workers to travel to India in order to set up new projects. The Indian delegation along with the minister includes Commerce Secretary, Rahul Khullar and top officials from the ministries of animal husbandry, agriculture, industry, chemicals and information technology.

'Time now for India Inc. to enter Chinese markets'
 
There's no reason for Chinese to care about Indian Agni missiles. Only Agni I is accountable. Agni II are not operational. Agni III is an elephant missile which weighs over 55 metric tons!! It's huge for its tiny distance to cover.
 
Got your point: the more the Chinese promote the peace, the more hostile and bellicose the Indians must be. :hitwall:

Good luck guys. :lol:

What type of peace r u talking about. Actions speaks larger than words.

If China wants peace then why Chinese have increased incursions and encircling India.

If you are talking about trade then why China only want to export not import is it fair.

We are not asking our government to go for war with China or become hostile.

We only want to say that just don't fall to sweet talks and watch their actions.

BTW, The Chinese response to Agni missile was to calm its people.

What do you expect, should they say yes China is afraid of India or since their missiles are also reach Beijing and Shanghai as our can reach Delhi. So let go to war.
 
There's no reason for Chinese to care about Indian Agni missiles. Only Agni I is accountable. Agni II are not operational. Agni III is an elephant missile which weighs over 55 metric tons!! It's huge for its tiny distance to cover.

Your knowledge amazes me. You should be defense minister of China.
 
There's no reason for Chinese to care about Indian Agni missiles. Only Agni I is accountable. Agni II are not operational. Agni III is an elephant missile which weighs over 55 metric tons!! It's huge for its tiny distance to cover.

Agni III is so obese that you need to dissemble it before you can transport it. And not any truck or train will do, but specialized trucks and trains. Then you have to reassemble it at one of a handful of satellite launch sites. All of these can be seen with the naked eye, much less need for satellite.

Agni II will only cover part of Tibet, Yunnan, and Xinjiang. With ABM in place, these suckers are toast.

Agni I range limits it to attack Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal and Myanmar and outer ranges of Tibet. But why do you want to hit Mount Everest? :)
 
And there's a famous saying, that if India wants to hit Harbin, then all of Harbin in safe.... but then Pakistan and BD will have to fear for their lives!!!:rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
And there's a famous saying, that if India wants to hit Harbin, then all of Harbin in safe.... but then Pakistan and BD will have to fear for their lives!!!:rofl::rofl::rofl:

And there is also another saying that if a missile is made in China it will not work because:

1. It is blown up model for propaganda by communist.

2. The made of China is junk, only cheap in cost and lowest in quality.
 
And there is also another saying that if a missile is made in China it will not work because:

1. It is blown up model for propaganda by communist.

2. The made of China is junk, only cheap in cost and lowest in quality.

Then why are you scared?
 

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