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[DARIUS]

^^^It seems like u know more about India's military,space and nuclear capabilities than Dr. Kalam and Saraswat!!

 

[Broccoli]

^^^It seems like u know more about India's military,space and nuclear capabilities than Dr. Kalam and Saraswat!!

Looking that both Indian and Pakistani scientist lied their nuclear weapon yields it's not that odd when people are skeptic of their other claims. These two countries are now stuck with fission weapons since they cannot test weapons anymore, and that makes it very hard to develop more compact warheads for missiles. Safety and reliability (very important) of untested weapons should be questioned too.

The consensus among outside seismic experts is that the yields of most Indian tests are overstated (particularly Pokhran-I or "Smiling Buddha" and Shakti-I), and that the very existence of Shakti IV-V is in question. Interestingly, the case with the Pakistani tests (conducted in a far different geological environment) is similar - claimed yields do not match the seismic evidence. No well-founded explanation is available for such a consistent pattern of deception by both India and Pakistan.

What Are the Real Yields of India's Tests?



Yeah, it's probably a hard pill to swallow for Pakistani and Indian nationalist here, but facts are facts.

 

[faithfulguy]

Looking that both Indian and Pakistani scientist lied their nuclear weapon yields it's not that odd when people are skeptic of their other claims. These two countries are now stuck with fission weapons since they cannot test weapons anymore, and that makes it very hard to develop more compact warheads for missiles. Safety and reliability (very important) of untested weapons should be questioned too.


What Are the Real Yields of India's Tests?



Yeah, it's probably a hard pill to swallow for Pakistani and Indian nationalist here, but facts are facts.

When you present Indians with proven facts here, this thread will end very soon as they would ignore the truth. In this case, India do not have a reliable thermonuclear weapon. And have no way of miniaturize the warheads. Unless if India steal or take from others, India must mount a single large fission weapon that is closer to the one dropped at Hiroshima than anything the P5 have in their arsenal.

 

[DARKY]

Looking that both Indian and Pakistani scientist lied their nuclear weapon yields it's not that odd when people are skeptic of their other claims. These two countries are now stuck with fission weapons since they cannot test weapons anymore, and that makes it very hard to develop more compact warheads for missiles.


What Are the Real Yields of India's Tests?



Yeah, it's probably a hard pill to swallow for Pakistani and Indian nationalist here, but facts are facts. No country has ever developed miniaturized nuclear weapons (fission or fusion) without testing them, and that's why it's reasonable to doubt claims coming from these two countries.

He was responding to the recent statement by a former defence scientist, K. Santhanam, that “the yield in the thermonuclear device test was much lower than what was claimed.” Mr. Santhanam, who cited only unspecified “seismic measurements and expert opinion from world over,” went on to say that this was the reason India should not sign the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT).

“If Mr. Santhanam has any scientific data to back up what he has claimed, I am sure BARC scientists would be more than happy to debate it,” said Dr. Chidambaram. “Without that, this kind of statement means nothing.”

Dr. Chidambaram wrote that the thermonuclear device tested was “a two-stage device of advanced design, which had a fusion-boosted fission trigger as the first stage and a fusion secondary stage which was compressed by radiation implosion and ignited.” He said the argument that the secondary stage failed to perform is belied by post-shot radioactivity measurements on samples extracted from the test site which showed significant activity of sodium-22 and manganese-54, both by-products of a fusion reaction rather than pure fission. “From a study of this radioactivity and an estimate of the cavity radius, confirmed by drilling operations at positions away from ground zero, the total yield as well as the break-up of the fission and fusion yields could be calculated.” Based on this, he said, BARC scientists worked out a total yield of 50 +/- 10 kt for the thermonuclear device, which was consistent with both the design yield and seismic estimates.

As for the sub-kiloton tests of 0.3 and 0.2 kt of 13 May 1998, which the International Monitoring System for verifying CTBT compliance failed altogether to detect, he said “the threshold limit for seismic detection is much higher in, say a sand medium than in hard rock; the Pokhran geological medium comes somewhere in between” and so it was not surprising these two tests did not show up on the IMS.

“Let someone refute what we have written, then we can look at it,” said Dr. Chidamabaram, adding that he was yet to see a published critique of BARC’s scientific assessment by any laboratory-based scientist abroad

The Hindu : Columns / Siddharth Varadarajan : 'Fizzle' claim for thermonuclear test refuted

In India's case however It was the miniaturized version which was tested altogether.

 

[IND151]

@ Post No. 38> You are right.

This is what P.K Sengupta said

To Anon@2.04AM: There is no other ICBM under development other than the Agni-5 with MIRV warheads, which will have a range of up to 7,200km once fully developed. Any mention about A-6 anywhere was just a typo error. The futuristic SLBM with 6,500km-range is still a decade away for the two budgeted SSBNs S-5 & S-6, each of which will carry 12 SLBMs.

January 13, 2013 12:29 AM

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[DARKY]

When you present Indians with proven facts here, this thread will end very soon as they would ignore the truth. In this case, India do not have a reliable thermonuclear weapon. And have no way of miniaturize the warheads. Unless if India steal or take from others, India must mount a single large fission weapon that is closer to the one dropped at Hiroshima than anything the P5 have in their arsenal.

We are not talking about China.. Here.. you always make the mistake... but can we put the blame on you...
You are a bot after all.

 

[Broccoli]

It's sad how people can ignore evidence when trying to boost their own nationalistic fervor.

On the other hand, there continues to be considerable controversy about the accuracy of this information, particularly regarding the yields of the thermonuclear device, and the second series of sub-kiloton shots. In summary the balance of the evidence indicates that the claimed yields are significantly overstated - particularly regarding the thermonuclear device, and the total yields of both test groups. The available information indicates that Shakti I could not have had a yield larger than 25 kt, but was at least 22 kt (based on Indian drilling data). The evidence offered by the Indian government to date to support the 43 kt yield claim is weak, in fact a plain reading of their own seismic evidence puts the yield at or below 25 kt. Accepting the radiological and photographic evidence for this second group of tests offered by BARC as valid, the complete absence of a seismic signal for theses shots defies explanation at the present time if the stated test time and yields are even is even remotely correct. BARC does not appear to have offered an explanation for this anomaly.

India's Nuclear Weapons Program - Operation Shakti: 1998

 

[DARKY]

It's sad how people can ignore evidence when trying to boost their own nationalistic fervor.


India's Nuclear Weapons Program - Operation Shakti: 1998

What a retard... but that's expected since you Chines... you didn't even read the post and the link provided where credible scientists are revealing the proof that the test was successful with reason as to why the seismic data was not providing the true picture... along with what the drilling data says.

Below is what the Indian govt. says... read that If you are a Human and not Bot like the other Chines poster.

The Hindu : Columns / Siddharth Varadarajan : 'Fizzle' claim for thermonuclear test refuted

In India's case however It was the miniaturized version which was tested altogether.

 

[DARIUS]

As far as India's thermonuclear capabilities are concerned there has been open debates on the media and in various other quarters regarding the issues that were taken up by Dr. Santhanam.The following videos should clear any doubt regarding the same.Now someone mentioned that even Pakistan's claims regarding their TN yields could be dubious but as long as there's no debate on that in the Pak media. . . . who knows??

 

[DARKY]

As far as India's thermonuclear capabilities are concerned there has been open debates on the media and in various other quarters regarding the issues that were taken up by Dr. Santhanam.The following videos should clear any doubt regarding the same.Now someone mentioned that even Pakistan's claims regarding their TN yields could be dubious but as long as there's no debate on that in the Pak media. . . . who knows??

Pakistan never tested any Thermonuclear at all... neither did they ever claim... this Chines bot has theories of his own.

 

[Broccoli]

What a retard... but that's expected since you Chines... you didn't even read the post and the link provided where credible scientists are revealing the proof that the test was successful with reason as to why the seismic data was not providing the true picture... along with what the drilling data says..

1. I'm not Chinese.

2. Foreign expert already have proven that Indians are not telling the truth. Shakti I had a yield of 25kt or less instead of 45kt claimed by Indians. Fact.

It's already proven that Shakti I was a fizzle, and it clearly did not work like it was supposed to. You can deny scientific evidence if you want to, but it only makes you look a very silly person.

 

[livingdead]

I tend to believe that pokhran 2 was not exactly a success. But BJP govt tried to cover up and use it for political mileage. Kakodkar and kalam are part of system and quite political, you should not expect much truth from them.

 

[DARKY]

1. I'm not Chinese.

2. Foreign expert already have proven that Indians are not telling the truth. Shakti I had a yield of 25kt or less instead of 45kt claimed by Indians. Fact.

It's already proven that Shakti I was a fizzle, and it clearly did not work like it was supposed to. You can deny scientific evidence if you want to, but it only makes you look a very silly person.

western seismologists who under-estimated the Pokhran yields did so because they did not take into account the geological structure at the Indian testing range. They also failed to appreciate that India’s weapons designers purposely went for lower yields because the shots had to be fired in existing shafts which could not be dug any deeper for fear of detection. Higher yields, then, would have caused damage to nearby villages and also led to the possible venting of radioactivity.

The Hindu : Columns / Siddharth Varadarajan : 'Fizzle' claim for thermonuclear test refuted

1. I am surprised since the moronic way you argued about Thermonuclear weapons is usually associated with chines style.

2. Foreign analyst are wrong due to above reasons... who would know better a person sitting 1000 miles away from the test sites and following seismic data or the one who had equipment measuring right at the tests and dug up evidence to support them... in case of Chines logic its the other way round.

I already proved that Shakti I was successful and upto the mark the person who called it fizzle has been challenged to come up and prove the scientific evidences found from the test and other data wrong.

Now for Chines scientific evidence means nothing[specially the Bot types] since the dimension for which laws of Physics work for rest of the word doesn't apply to Chines according to them... you seem to be arguing about the same.

 

[Ammyy]

Is this possible ?

 

[Sergi]

Comparable to a missile of its weight class.

I was expecting a figure from non-Indian person when he compares A-5 with something in its class. We know height , diameter and weight. What's your guess with available data ???