Agartala Conspiracy confession, what does it mean for our history

[Anubis]

This would qualify as blasphemy, yes? @Loki @Anubis.

Not directly....BUT if you can pay me enough I could 'interpret' some laws to make it blasphemy and issue a fatwa....so how do you want his head...whole or minced?

 

[Dillinger]

Leave us alone....

Bhaier jone ektuo prem nei? Amra to tomake bhishon bhalo bashi- as LONG as you stay on your side that is. The same way we have a deep and abiding love for our Pakistani brothers- the very reason that me and Buttsy get along so well.

 

[Dillinger]

Not directly....BUT if you can pay me enough I could 'interpret' some laws to make it blasphemy and issue a fatwa....so how do you want his head...whole or minced?

@Loki, you concur? Can this be done? @Hyperion I will obviously want your head whole, it shall be the centerpiece of my curio cabinet.

 

[Zabaniyah]

This would qualify as blasphemy, yes? @Loki @Anubis.

Hmm....nah....

Not directly....BUT if you can pay me enough I could 'interpret' some laws to make it blasphemy and issue a fatwa....so how do you want his head...whole or minced?

You bloody mercenary

Hey, mercenaries are actually pretty cool....

 

[Anubis]

Hmm....nah....



You bloody mercenary

Hey, mercenaries are actually pretty cool....

Bro....we are passing judgement on Blasphemy when both our names are blasphemous!

 

[Zabaniyah]

Bhaier jone ektuo prem nei? Amra to tomake bhishon bhalo bashi- as LONG as you stay on your side that is. The same way we have a deep and abiding love for our Pakistani brothers- the very reason that me and Buttsy get along so well.

Who's Buttsy?

Kalu_Miah is a failed immigrant, whose life is a lie. He cannot go forward in the land of his choosing due to his intellectual incapacity and lack of any real talent, nor can he go back as a failure to the land he came from. Thus he is reduced to ranting in his pyjamas from his bedroom wishing for something he knows not what, while the land of his birth has moved forward. And then he is insecure, and wonders whether he made the right move by emigrating. Was it worth it, this life of hardship, when the wife does not listen, daughters have married outside the community and the only son a wastrel; when back home, he could have been a man of substance, dishing out tired slogans to the downtrodden citizenry. But wait, the citizenry are no longer downtrodden; they have their own mind, and they have their own destiny and they have charted a path without Kalu_Miah. What can Kalu_Miah do!!!! Fiction, recourse to fiction and get these scurfy unwashed yokels back on line to fulfill his own grandiose visions. What a loser....

Really? I find his theories boring.

He's an US-educated professional though....

 

[Dillinger]

Kalu_Miah is a failed immigrant, whose life is a lie. He cannot go forward in the land of his choosing due to his intellectual incapacity and lack of any real talent, nor can he go back as a failure to the land he came from. Thus he is reduced to ranting in his pyjamas from his bedroom wishing for something he knows not what, while the land of his birth has moved forward. And then he is insecure, and wonders whether he made the right move by emigrating. Was it worth it, this life of hardship, when the wife does not listen, daughters have married outside the community and the only son a wastrel; when back home, he could have been a man of substance, dishing out tired slogans to the downtrodden citizenry. But wait, the citizenry are no longer downtrodden; they have their own mind, and they have their own destiny and they have charted a path without Kalu_Miah. What can Kalu_Miah do!!!! Fiction, recourse to fiction and get these scurfy unwashed yokels back on line to fulfill his own grandiose visions. What a loser....

Here is a thought, lets not get personal with the posters shall we. If we resort to ad hominem to discredit someone's POV, no matter how knackered said POV might appear to be, then it sort of becomes a two way street.

Although, you deduced all that by his posts? @Loki give this guy a medal!

So what have you deduced about me btw?

Who's Buttsy?



Really? I find his theories boring.

He's an US-educated professional though....

Buttsy is THE DISCO MAULVI!!

 

[t_for_talli]

So what if Agartala conspiracy theory is true
Whatever Mujhib did was good for his country

Pakistani donot criticize Jinnah going against decision of United India
We Indians donot criticize Bhagat Singh/Subash Chandra Bose conspiring against Britishers

 

[Zabaniyah]

Bro....we are passing judgement on Blasphemy when both our names are blasphemous!

Our names? Okay, you named after some Egyptian deity, and me after a Nordic one

 

[BanglaBhoot]

What decision did you want to be made in Bengal ? This ludicrous centricism of 'me....me....me' is what harmed the country in the first place !

Your previous comment shows that it was never me me me. The Bengali Muslims were never even recognized or at least some of the most important decisions and conferences would have been held in Bengal. How many times did Jinnah actually visit Bengal and East Pakistan before and after 1947? How many times did Bengal leaders travel to the West during the same period. What arrogance to treat the Bengal Muslims as subordinate when it as them that galvanized the move for Pakistan.

Real Grievances ? Real Grievances as in you hadn't any land & were discriminated against at ? What do you think happened in Sindh & in other Muslim Minority Provinces ? What do you think happened in the Punjab where most of the Intelligentsia & most certainly the Business Class wasn't from amongst us ! There is a historical context to the Bengal thing starting from the Partition & then the Reversal of Bengal's Partitioning in the early 1900s when real bona fide political awakening kicked in but to assert that somehow because the Bengalis were worse-off in their own land...the rest of us used to bathe in milk & honey every day & any demand from us was mere political opportunism is naivete at best or a toxic & most assuredly false vaingloriousness at the very worst !

That others parts were not as affected as Bengal is shown by the fact they required much more convincing to be part of Pakistan. It was because Bengal had the most discrimination and oppression that the demand for Pakistan arose but even your comments show that Bengal Muslims had no place in decision making and were thought of as subsidiary.

 

[Tameem]

What does Bengali Renaissance have anything to do with it??I can be proud of whatever the hell I want to.I am proud of my country and my culture.WE never made any mistake because ultimately we got what we wanted.We wanted a Muslim majority Bengali country...And that is what we have.

Wrong, You were undecided till the last moment, both in 47 and 71.

We had two options in 47 one was 'United Bengal' and the other was 'Pakistan'.Staying with India was not an option for us.As 'United Bengal' was not possible we opted for 'Pakistan'.

Ooh come on....You didn't opted, you have no other choice remains after failure of UB talks....your first choice.

in 71 we had two options stay with Pakistan or separate and make independent Bangladesh.

Wrong again, As per most Bengali posters Mujib didn't want independence....he only wants premiership, if not than Agartala conspiracy is indeed true and he actually a traitor to United Pakistan, both couldn't be correct simultaneously.

Now we have stable homogeneous country.We do not need to use military strength to hold it together.Because everyone here conforms to the same identity.Unlike both of our former brethren who need some degree of military brute force to keep their country together!

Aaaaah, That's why half of your population declares other half Indian or Pakistani Dallals at the same time......lol!

There is no absolute right or wrong in politics.There is only what you can do and what you cannot do.Pakistan was a right thing to do in the context of that time.200 years later it might not be true.

Here you are quite right, for most Bengali Muslims like you its only just politics to flip flop here and there as per the mode and atmosphere but for West Pakistani Muslims its the matter of life and death......Its the matter of Ideology!

If you blame Bengalis for having contradicting views you should look at the the history of Pakistan.During the 30s Jinnah and Iqbal also contradicted each other.Iqbal was opting for partition whereas Jinnah was trying to reach an agreement with Congress.Ideology has no place in politics.If Hindus and Muslims could stay peacefully together do you think Iqbal would wish for a separate state?Absolutely not.People's views are shaped by what happens around him not what he grows up with.Iqbal or Jinnah did not grow up with the idea of Pakistan.The conformed to it when they saw there was no other option.Because the same guy who wrote Sare Jahan se accha Hindustan hamara was also preaching to break up the same Hindustan.

Sane poeple always took their time to reach a concrete decision once but only fools flip flops in internity as per the situation....in plain Urdu/hindi its called......Thali kay Baingan....good for you.

We Bengalis are no different.Our political visions and wishes are a product of what we were going through!

Indeed you people never posses any sort of ideology completely......that's why no one i.e., Pakistani, Indian or even West Bengali accepts you as an ally ever......keep it up.....and keep blaming everyone else of where you are today at the moment.

 

[Tameem]

So what if Agartala conspiracy theory is true
Whatever Mujhib did was good for his country

Pakistani donot criticize Jinnah going against decision of United India
We Indians donot criticize Bhagat Singh/Subash Chandra Bose conspiring against Britishers

Bhagat Singh/Subhash Chandra Bose was a traitor to Britishers...Indian audiance=Yes Absolutely

Jinnah was a traitor to United India.........Pakistani Audiance=Yes Absolutely

Mujib was a traitor to United Pakistan...Bangladeshi Audiance=No..hamm yes..actually..he's not meant it....he thinks this....he thinks that

 

[Anubis]

Wrong, You were undecided till the last moment, both in 47 and 71.



Ooh come on....You didn't opted, you have no other choice remains after failure of UB talks....your first choice.



Wrong again, As per most Bengali posters Mujib didn't want independence....he only wants premiership, if not than Agartala conspiracy is indeed true and he actually a traitor to United Pakistan, both couldn't be correct simultaneously.



Aaaaah, That's why half of your population declares other half Indian or Pakistani Dallals at the same time......lol!



Here you are quite right, for most Bengali Muslims like you its only just politics to flip flop here and there as per the mode and atmosphere but for West Pakistani Muslims its the matter of life and death......Its the matter of Ideology!




Sane poeple always took their time to reach a concrete decision once but only fools flip flops in internity as per the situation....in plain Urdu/hindi its called......Thali kay Baingan....good for you.



Indeed you people never posses any sort of ideology completely......that's why no one i.e., Pakistani, Indian or even West Bengali accepts you as an ally ever......keep it up.....and keep blaming everyone else of where you are today at the moment.

Fine if you consider changing decision according to situation flip-flopping...Your founding fathers Iqbal and Jinnah are flip floppers just like me.My UB point is still valid...it was an option that did not work out....that's why we went for Pakistan.Agartala conspiracy did not happen in 71...it was in early 1968...it had nothing to do with Mujib's premiership(you just proved you do not have the knowledge of the subject of the thread)...Mujib was elected in 70!Yes half of our population follow one party and the other half follows another party....its called democracy(I do not expect you to understand)....Good we bengalis are non-ideological flip-floppers(who got what they wanted) and you the West Pakistani Muslims are the ideological Muslims who are carrying out the cosmic battle against the evil Qadiyanis!May you go to heaven...we will stay in our flood plain!We do not seek Pakistani,Indian or West Bengali alliance...specially how can we the ungrateful Bengalis who couldn't accept a genocide from the army of the great Islamic republic even dream about an alliance with the angelic ideological Muslims of Pakistan let alone all the Baniyas!

 

[Zabaniyah]

Mujib probably had nothing to do with Agartala conspiracy in the first place

It was a group of disgruntled officers like Col. Shawkat Ali who did it to seek help, support and coordination from RAW. That was the main point behind the Agartala matter.

And maybe Mujib was falsely accused in the case. Otherwise, why would they let him go? Were Pakistanis dumb? Maybe seeing from the monk's tale in a bliss of sorrow.

Awamis are promoting Mujib as such for their own reasons. I mean, why would they all of the sudden after all these years? What can the nation possibly gain at this time by saying such?
In Conversation with Col (retd) Shawkat Ali « Dhaka Courier

 

[asad71]

Simply put it, if there was no Pakistan, there would have been no Bangladesh. Talking about alternate realities is a complete waste of time.

There are various books that are part of secondary school curriculum in Bangladesh. Of-course, they were approved by the ruling BAL. They do mention and support the two-nation theory by stating details of how Muslim-Bengalis wanted a Pakistan to avoid "Hindu-domination". Suffice it to say, Mujib did support the two-nation theory.

The West Pakistani leadership did not accurately acknowledge the security matters in East Pakistan. Especially after instigating an insurgency in north east India during the 60's. East Pakistanis alternatively thought that a new nation "Bangladesh" can manage its own security. Part of why they wanted to break away.

Now as far as these present "Bengali-nationalists" go, yeah they are a bit of a mental case. As stated here by an AL supporter:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/members-club/282704-bible-scholar-makes-explosive-allegation-about-jesus-9.html#post4869156

It appears that these conspiracy theories about AL loyalists being anti-Muslim may indeed be true. How it is so remains to be seen. Seeing how Bangladeshis generals can get slaughtered by their own soldiers, and this^, security is still a far away dream.

1.If there was no pioneering movement from the Bengalee Muslims, there would be no Pakistan. Even the last minute shift in NWFP had a Bengalee input. The Political Agent Iskandar Mirza played a crucial role in motivating the tribal Maliks to support Pakistan. In this Mirza was working on a direct instruction from Jinnah. Mirza was not a Bengalee but was counted as an E Pakistani. His mother tongue was Persian which was spoken at his home.He had also mastered Pashtu.

2. Pakistan, BD and the Muslims remaining in India face a common foe - the rising Hindu extremism which seeks to eliminate all Muslims from SA. Therefore, SA Muslims must re-examine the famous Lahore Resolution, 1940 moved by the Shere Banlgla.Perhaps a salvation can be found there.