Agartala Conspiracy confession, what does it mean for our history

[INDIC]

You take West Pakistan as sole ethnic group

In the dying age of 70-72, Jinnah strive hard to get as many Muslim states (he even tried for south India as well) out of the Indian union as much he could.

There was no Muslim majority state in South India. He wanted some Hindu majority states to join Muslim homeland of Pakistan irrespective of his two nation theory.

 

[MINK]

In 2012 West Bengal's per capita income was 34,229 Rs or 622 USD (1 USD = 55 Rs) with a growth rate of 7.06. At this growth rate, it won't be more than 700 USD in 2013 while the per capita income of Bangladesh is 1,047 USD, big difference!

http://pbplanning.gov.in/pdf/Statewise%20GSDP%20PCI%20and%20G.R.pdf

That amount Rs 34,229 had been measured under Constant Price. If you go by that method then Bangladesh's per capita income is 25,994 Taka under constant price.

So, the result under US dollar is:-

West Bengal :- $ 557 ( $1 = INR 61.5)

Bangladesh :- $ 333 ( $1 = BDT 78)

Bangladesh Gross domestic product per capita, constant prices - National currency | World Economic Outlook (IMF)

 

[extra terrestrial]

That amount Rs 34,229 had been measured under Constant Price. If you go by that method then Bangladesh's per capita income is 25,994 Taka under constant price.

So, the result under US dollar is:-

West Bengal :- $ 557 ( $1 = INR 61.5)

Bangladesh :- $ 333 ( $1 = BDT 78)

Bangladesh Gross domestic product per capita, constant prices - National currency | World Economic Outlook (IMF)

LOL @ the link! At least use a reliable site to troll! According to IMF, Bangladesh's GDP per capita at constant prices stands at 41,981.596 taka or 538.22 USD. However, the calculation is based on our previous base year that is 1994/95, the figure is likely to increase when it will be rebased on our current base year (2005/06), as happened with the GDP per capita on current prices. Note: the GSDP per capita of West Bengal is based on 2004/05.

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[khair_ctg]

@Armstrong If you want my reply , please from next time , leave something for me to reply .

But , honestly Bengalis are mistaken in both cases - neither they are hated in today's Pakistan nor are relevant or considered important as per the popular thought . A common Pakistani today doesn't care about Bangladesh . The fact that they have omitted the leaders of United Pakistan from their own history and lives speaks volumes about the loyalty to " Two Nation Theory " . On the other hand , Maulvi Fazlul Haq , Huseyn Shaheed Suhrawardy , Khawaja Nazimuddin amongst others still are revered people of East Pakistan in Islamabad's territory . Millions of Bangladeshi citizens who came illegally after the formation of their country live peacefully and without discrimination here , can I say the same about the " stranded Pakistanis " living under their rule ?

you have cited just one example of how the aspiration of a separate Muslim homeland (call it "two-nation theory" or whatever) is constantly hijacked by BAL elements in our country ( @MBI Munshi ) by flat out denying the world existed before 1971. the denial of the sacrifice of countless Non-Bengalis (politician or not) and even Bengalis in making the borders of now-Bangladesh in '47 results in denying the reason now-BD came into existence at all (but the acknowledgement is an unavoidable prerequisite for any "three-nation theory" @Loki).

by the way, Pakistan is at least 'relevant' to me and most Bangladeshis I know. in the Bangladeshi and Pakistani communities here in the States the bond is quite visible..

 

[Tameem]

you have cited just one example of how the aspiration of a separate Muslim homeland (call it "two-nation theory" or whatever) is constantly hijacked by BAL elements in our country ( @MBI Munshi ) by flat out denying the world existed before 1971. the denial of the sacrifice of countless Non-Bengalis (politician or not) and even Bengalis in making the borders of now-Bangladesh in '47 results in denying the reason now-BD came into existence at all (but the acknowledgement is an unavoidable prerequisite for any "three-nation theory" @Loki).

So, by not accepting Non Bengali (Specially Jinnah's) major contribution in making of Pakistan and thus subsequently of Bangladesh.....who is in denial mode?, whose eyes are closed?..........PDF Bengalis acknowledge your conscious.!

 

[Zabaniyah]

you have cited just one example of how the aspiration of a separate Muslim homeland (call it "two-nation theory" or whatever) is constantly hijacked by BAL elements in our country ( @MBI Munshi ) by flat out denying the world existed before 1971. the denial of the sacrifice of countless Non-Bengalis (politician or not) and even Bengalis in making the borders of now-Bangladesh in '47 results in denying the reason now-BD came into existence at all (but the acknowledgement is an unavoidable prerequisite for any "three-nation theory" @Loki).

by the way, Pakistan is at least 'relevant' to me and most Bangladeshis I know. in the Bangladeshi and Pakistani communities here in the States the bond is quite visible..

Simply put it, if there was no Pakistan, there would have been no Bangladesh. Talking about alternate realities is a complete waste of time.

There are various books that are part of secondary school curriculum in Bangladesh. Of-course, they were approved by the ruling BAL. They do mention and support the two-nation theory by stating details of how Muslim-Bengalis wanted a Pakistan to avoid "Hindu-domination". Suffice it to say, Mujib did support the two-nation theory.

The West Pakistani leadership did not accurately acknowledge the security matters in East Pakistan. Especially after instigating an insurgency in north east India during the 60's. East Pakistanis alternatively thought that a new nation "Bangladesh" can manage its own security. Part of why they wanted to break away.

Now as far as these present "Bengali-nationalists" go, yeah they are a bit of a mental case. As stated here by an AL supporter:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/members-club/282704-bible-scholar-makes-explosive-allegation-about-jesus-9.html#post4869156

It appears that these conspiracy theories about AL loyalists being anti-Muslim may indeed be true. How it is so remains to be seen. Seeing how Bangladeshis generals can get slaughtered by their own soldiers, and this^, security is still a far away dream.

 

[Anubis]

Simply put it, if there was no Pakistan, there would have been no Bangladesh. Talking about alternate realities is a complete waste of time.

There are various books that are part of secondary school curriculum in Bangladesh. Of-course, they were approved by the ruling BAL. They do mention and support the two-nation theory by stating details of how Muslim-Bengalis wanted a Pakistan to avoid "Hindu-domination". Suffice it to say, Mujib did support the two-nation theory.

The West Pakistani leadership did not accurately acknowledge the security matters in East Pakistan. Especially after instigating an insurgency in north east India during the 60's. East Pakistanis alternatively thought that a new nation "Bangladesh" can manage its own security. Part of why they wanted to break away.

Now as far as these present "Bengali-nationalists" go, yeah they are a bit of a mental case. As stated here by an AL supporter:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/members-club/282704-bible-scholar-makes-explosive-allegation-about-jesus-9.html#post4869156

It appears that these conspiracy theories about AL loyalists being anti-Muslim may indeed be true. How it is so remains to be seen. Seeing how Bangladeshis generals can get slaughtered by their own soldiers, and this^, security is still a far away dream.

I hope its the other guy you are talking about in the link!

 

[Zabaniyah]

I hope its the other guy you are talking about in the link!

There's "no other guy".

Some people simply have no clue as to what they are talking about

 

[Anubis]

There's "no other guy".

Some people simply have no clue as to what they are talking about

You should have seen him proposing giving money to the poor instead of sacrificing animals...I still don't see how they are comparable!

I got a question for you....since Bhutto and other WP leaders knew about Op.Searchlight before hand how come Mujib was not notified by his supporters in the West?And If Mujib was notified how come it came as a surprise for the people...why didn't he tell everyone to be ready?

 

[Dillinger]

You should have seen him proposing giving money to the poor instead of sacrificing animals...I still don't see how they are comparable!

I got a question for you....since Bhutto and other WP leaders knew about Op.Searchlight before hand how come Mujib was not notified by his supporters in the West?And If Mujib was notified how come it came as a surprise for the people...why didn't he tell everyone to be ready?

Start a movement for re-integration so that I can use it as an excuse to bomb you to kingdom come.

 

[Anubis]

Start a movement for re-integration so that I can use it as an excuse to bomb you to kingdom come.

If we ever plan any reintegration it will be with WB not WP!

 

[Dillinger]

If we ever plan any reintegration it will be with WB not WP!

Oh hell no! I have a rather large haveli in Dokhineshwar and I ain't having you lot prance about it. I'll eat the lot of you raw, mark my words. You're welcome to visit though.

 

[Tameem]

If we ever plan any reintegration it will be with WB not WP!

That is the basic mistake, Bengali Muslims keep repeating in last 100+ years.

I mean, if you so proud of Bengali Renaissance why flip flop towards two nation theory in the first place and than vice verse. Either the Soharwardy's demands for separate electorate with regards to WB leaders was totally wrong or the very basic idea of United Bengal itself, both can't be correct simultaneously.

You continuously ride on two boats believing you outsmarting everyone, infact it's only common sense that is in loose.

 

[Anubis]

That is the basic mistake, Bengali Muslims keep repeating in last 100+ years.

I mean, if you so proud of Bengali Renaissance why flip flop towards two nation theory in the first place and than vice verse. Either the Soharwardy's demands for separate electorate with regards to WB leaders was totally wrong or the very basic idea of United Bengal itself, both can't be correct simultaneously.

You continuously ride on two boats believing you outsmarting everyone, infact it's only common sense that is in loose.

What does Bengali Renaissance have anything to do with it??I can be proud of whatever the hell I want to.I am proud of my country and my culture.WE never made any mistake because ultimately we got what we wanted.We wanted a Muslim majority Bengali country...And that is what we have.We had two options in 47 one was 'United Bengal' and the other was 'Pakistan'.Staying with India was not an option for us.As 'United Bengal' was not possible we opted for 'Pakistan'.We WON and got Pakistan.in 71 we had two options stay with Pakistan or separate and make independent Bangladesh.We WON again and got Bangladesh.Now we have stable homogeneous country.We do not need to use military strength to hold it together.Because everyone here conforms to the same identity.Unlike both of our former brethren who need some degree of military brute force to keep their country together!

There is no absolute right or wrong in politics.There is only what you can do and what you cannot do.Pakistan was a right thing to do in the context of that time.200 years later it might not be true.

If you blame Bengalis for having contradicting views you should look at the the history of Pakistan.During the 30s Jinnah and Iqbal also contradicted each other.Iqbal was opting for partition whereas Jinnah was trying to reach an agreement with Congress.Ideology has no place in politics.If Hindus and Muslims could stay peacefully together do you think Iqbal would wish for a separate state?Absolutely not.People's views are shaped by what happens around him not what he grows up with.Iqbal or Jinnah did not grow up with the idea of Pakistan.The conformed to it when they saw there was no other option.Because the same guy who wrote Sare Jahan se accha Hindustan hamara was also preaching to break up the same Hindustan.

We Bengalis are no different.Our political visions and wishes are a product of what we were going through!

 

[Dillinger]

What does Bengali Renaissance have anything to do with it??I can be proud of whatever the hell I want to.I am proud of my country and my culture.WE never made any mistake because ultimately we got what we wanted.We wanted a Muslim majority Bengali country...And that is what we have.We had two options in 47 one was 'United Bengal' and the other was 'Pakistan'.Staying with India was not an option for us.As 'United Bengal' was not possible we opted for 'Pakistan'.We WON and got Pakistan.in 71 we had two options stay with Pakistan or separate and make independent Bangladesh.We WON again and got Bangladesh.Now we have stable homogeneous country.We do not need to use military strength to hold it together.Because everyone here conforms to the same identity.Unlike both of our former brethren who need some degree of military brute force to keep their country together!

There is no absolute right or wrong in politics.There is only what you can do and what you cannot do.Pakistan was a right thing to do in the context of that time.200 years later it might not be true.

If you blame Bengalis for having contradicting views you should look at the the history of Pakistan.During the 30s Jinnah and Iqbal also contradicted each other.Iqbal was opting for partition whereas Jinnah was trying to reach an agreement with Congress.Ideology has no place in politics.If Hindus and Muslims could stay peacefully together do you think Iqbal would wish for a separate state?Absolutely not.People's views are shaped by what happens around him not what he grows up with.Iqbal or Jinnah did not grow up with the idea of Pakistan.The conformed to it when they saw there was no other option.Because the same guy who wrote Sare Jahan se accha Hindustan hamara was also preaching to break up the same Hindustan.

We Bengalis are no different.Our political visions and wishes are a product of what we were going through!

You're an under-rated poster. At the end of the day right and wrong in this context is subjective, if Pakistan could have held Bangladesh with military force in their POV they would very much be right in terms of protecting the integrity of their nation as were the MB in waging war against an oppressive regime (although, strictly speaking they were secessionists and Pakistan did have the right to hunt them down with an acceptable margin of collateral, where they went wrong was the deliberate and not incidental targeting of non-combatants and political dissidents). At the end of the day the power still (after whatever upheaval occurs is done and over with) administering the region decides what's right and what isn't.