Again Turkey stand for Pakistan and Thank you

[MultaniGuy]

Whats so bad in changing the script? Is Arabic holy or something?

Nobody said Arabic is holy.

One of the wisdom of having many languages in the world is to know that we have been divided into nations and tribes that we may know one another.

However the Qur'an was revealed in that language, naturally "we Pakistanis" want to have a language that has a same script that the Qur'an was revealed in.

Since I am not a Turkish citizen or a Turk I cannot speak about Turkey since that is not my country.

 

[abrar khan]

Sadly China is one of the biggest victim of a few Pakistan based Eastern Turk terror franchise a few years ago, though Pakistan has rein them somewhat recently.

They operate from US ruling Afghanistan not from Pakistan.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

They operate from US ruling Afghanistan not from Pakistan.

Don’t worry about this anti-Muslim poster. They all know the truth.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Please don't compare the Ataturk to Jinnah, people say Ataturk was an atheist or irreligious.

People say you and Jinnah are an atheist or irreligious, also alcoholic.

However, Only Allah knows who is how much what or unless openly confessed as written in Kuran, so we do not believe the fitna or them about you.

 

[MultaniGuy]

People say you and Jinnah are an atheist or irreligious, also alcoholic.

However, Only Allah knows who is how much what or unless openly confessed as written in Kuran, so we do not believe the fitna or them about you.

Nice try, who has called me an atheist? I do not have a reputation for being an atheist nor did I openly declare to be one.

 

[chander_011]

Thanks for FATF support, when all friends of Pakistan left us in the time of need.

Can anybody give citation whether turkey voted in favour or against Pakistan in the month of June not February.

 

[MultaniGuy]

People say you and Jinnah are an atheist or irreligious, also alcoholic.

However, Only Allah knows who is how much what or unless openly confessed as written in Kuran, so we do not believe the fitna or them about you.

Jinnah was not an atheist. LOL.

Jinnah was the leader of the Muslim League in British Raj. LOL.

Yes Jinnah was not a saint, he used to smoke, etc.

But he was not an atheist like Ataturk was.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

About Jinnah drinking alcohol, there is no proof of him drinking alcohol, but for the Ataturk there is.

 

[chander_011]

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2018/07/01/understating-grey-listing/
This article clearly says Turkey voted against Pakistan in fatf June meeting.

 

[T-123456]

Please don't compare the Ataturk to Jinnah, people say Ataturk was an atheist or irreligious.

You need some history lessons,why do you think Jinnah was called "Grey Wolf'' by his daughter when she was 10/12 years old?
Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was his hero,Jinnah admired him and wanted the same secular system for Pakistan but of course you will deny this.
We know your kind.
The red line here is; Dont try in any way to insult Ataturk.

 

[MultaniGuy]

You need some history lessons,why do you think Jinnah was called "Grey Wolf'' by his daughter when she was 10/12 years old?
Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was his hero,Jinnah admired him and wanted the same secular system for Pakistan but of course you will deny this.
We know your kind.
The red line here is; Dont try in any way to insult Ataturk.

Actually that is a lie. Jinnah never wanted a secular system for Pakistan. Jinnah never used the word "secular" in his speeches.

I am not insulting the Ataturk. When did I use derogatory terms for the Ataturk?

About Jinnah's daughter calling Jinnah grey wolf, this I do not know of, and please don't read wikipedia. Wikipedia is not always factual.

I read Britannica encyclopedia.

I did not insult Ataturk. I am aware Ataturk is seen as a war hero in Turkey.

No need to offend anyone here.

However I can criticize Ataturk like the same way I criticize Jinnah within the appropriate limits.

Same here, we also know your kind as well.

And Lastly, I know there are some Turks who dislike Pakistan (Another Muslim country with nuclear weapons with 200+ million people), because it hurts their Kemalist or secularist worldview.

Even if you insult Jinnah or point out his faults (which I know plenty), I would not take it that seriously. Jinnah was a man who had faults like anyone else.

 

[xenon54 out]

Please don't compare the Ataturk to Jinnah, people say Ataturk was an atheist or irreligious.

''The exploits of your leaders in many a historic field of battle; the progress of your Revolution; the rise and career of the great Atatürk, his revitalization of your nation by his great statesmanship, courage and foresight all these stirring events are well-known to the people of Pakistan.''
-Mohammad Ali Jinnah, replying to a speech made by the first Turkish Ambassador to Pakistan at the time of presenting credentials to the Quaid-i-Azam (4 March 1948)

Well not anymore it seems....

 

[MultaniGuy]

''The exploits of your leaders in many a historic field of battle; the progress of your Revolution; the rise and career of the great Atatürk, his revitalization of your nation by his great statesmanship, courage and foresight all these stirring events are well-known to the people of Pakistan.''
-Mohammad Ali Jinnah, replying to a speech made by the first Turkish Ambassador to Pakistan at the time of presenting credentials to the Quaid-i-Azam (4 March 1948)

Well not anymore it seems....

Yeah even I praise the military exploits of Ataturk. Ataturk was a strong military commander.

But it does not mean Quaid-e-Azam agreed with Ataturk's secularism.

Now what do you have to say to that?

 

[xenon54 out]

Yeah even I praise the military exploits of Ataturk. Ataturk was a strong military commander.

But it does not mean Quaid-e-Azam agreed with Ataturk's secularism.

Now what do you have to say to that?

Well he obviously didnt when he established an Islamic Republic, the point is why do you guys think you can judge a persons faith without even knowing him?
Atatürk might have some speeches which suggest that he was atheist or maybe agnostic but he has just as much if not more speeches which show he was faithful.
The ultimate question is why does that even matter in the first place? Why does it matter that he drank alcohol? Will you get punished for his sins?
What matters is what he did and what he left to his people, some wanna be perfect muslims here judging others from their high horse should first think and worry about themselves.

 

[Timur]

his revitalization of your nation by his great statesmanship, courage and foresight all these stirring events are well-known to the people of Pakistan

this looks like he knowed the leader and the praising was not all about military leadership he praised the revitalization and staesmanship in 1948 so am I wrong when I say he also praised the political part?

@Iqbal Ali

 

[xenon54 out]

this looks like he knowed the leader and the praising was not all about military leadership he praised the revitalization and staesmanship in 1948 so am I wrong when I say he also praised the political part?

@Iqbal Ali

Good point.
Im am pretty sure Jinnah wasnt exactly agreeing with all decisions of Atatürk yet him praising the political reforms means he was agreeing with some of them.
But thats not even the point, the point is people who think they can decide whos muslim and who not.

As this exsample too:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/turk...rism-market-money-talks.566058/#post-10606075

What makes Turks less ''halal'' than Pakistanis? Or let me ask like this, what do the Turks do that Pakistanis dont? I just wonder why some of them act like champions of Islam.