Aftermath of Removal of Article 35A and Article 370

[Taimoor Khan]

Recent talk of Kashmir between IK and Trump have really put fire on banya dhoti. This is what it is.

But the bigger question is, who is in the shadows encouraging the recklessness shown by India. After the drama played on 26th went ti** up when Pakistan responded the next day, whatever is happening now is the continuation of that, not only India but its backers are still smarting from the effects of operation swift retort. Their frustration is boiling over with imminent defeat in Afghanistan.

 

[SIPRA]

If things are going like this with all fan fare, then surely Pakistan is in the loop.
Only it's leadership is doing drama to avoid public outrage.
Wait for 15 August for first episode, then end of Trump's tenure for climax if things will go as planned.

I lack the ability and capacity of communicating with the improvised "Arnab Goswami's" of PDF.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

India is planning this. First of all ,article 35a at article 370 will be removed. Temple and Sufi mosques will be opened once again. Jihadis and terrorists will be dealt with firm hand. No Stooges shall be able to black mail nation any more. Pandit will be visited in Kashmir so as many other Indian nationals with full protection.

Pakistan principle stand of pleblicite will be effected so Pakistan strategy may also change.
But good thing is that we at also easily target hindu civilians on other side after indians turn Kashmir into a Hindu state.
We will use cluster bombs as a retaliation to indians using cluster bombs on civilians.
Currently we can't do that as we consider real kashmiris as our brothers.

 

[SIPRA]

..and do what which has not been unsuccessfully tried before ?

I think that you suffer from all the three types of blindness, mentioned in your "Signature".
Read the post again, to which you have been gracious enough to respond. Answer lies there.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Here's the grand plan!!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1157341175495266309

 

[Kaniska]

Apparently its the most popular TV channel in India, the guy who is spitting while debate is famous as well. Another Indian product created out of pure hatred is a success story after BJP and RSS.



What does that restraint policy means?? I dont think Pakistan "can" or "will" do anything interms of physically engaging with Indian military.

On a side note...Arnab and Republic is a shitty channel...Who is in sane mind watch that loud and pathetic channel for news...

 

[Cash GK]

They are afraid of Taliban..they helped

India in recent days have sent additional troops to Kashmir and a war like situation had been created in kashmir.
We can asses whats their plans by simply looking at different events.
1) Non kahmiris were asked to leave kashmir which means they expect something from the locals against those non kashmiris.
2) Hurriyat leadership as well as pro indian leaders like mehbooba mufti all have been put under house arrest. Which clearly show that it had something to do with polictical issue.
something which is not acceptable to all kashmiris alike.
3) Additional troops have been placed on LOC and increase in heavy weapons for ceasefire violations clearly indicates that they want to put pressure on Pakistan and stop it from reacting to something which they think would force Pakistanis to react.
4) Airforce and army both on high alert clearly show that its not about terrorism or political issue only. Airforce is not used for such scenarios.
5) Repeated calls for abolishing article 35A and article 370. Which means modi sarkar think they have public support to make those moves.
6) During the last few weeks stories of how indian army planned to take strategic peaks from Pakistan in 2001-2002 to control LOC have surfaced in the news and indians were supporting the move.
7) Bill have been passed by indian Lok saba to give powers to NIA to declare anyone a terrorist. India in the past had failed to bring any reasonnable charges against Hurriyat leaders due to their non violent struggle. Now indians can charge them for terrorism. This will create unrest in the streets of kashmir.
8) Indians are trying to solve this independence issue once and for all. They may be planning to kill or arrest thousands of kashmiri muslims and crack down against anti india protestors. They are planning violent reaction so they expect response from Pakistan as well as the kashmiris.
Most possible step india is planning:
Shah Mehmood has already said that india want to change demographics of Kashmir. So article 35A abolishion is a confirm step they are planning. They are expecting response from kahmiris and Pakistanis alike that is why they are preparing to handle both situations.

Pakistan response and options:
Pakistan options to such scenario will be limited with only few options on the table as we don't have economic, political or military power to make decisive move on the issue.
But Pakistan can take few steps of it's own:
1) Go to UN but it won't be any productive as UN is a failed organization.
2) Blackmail US. We can tell US that with such prevailing situation we cannot focus on Afghanistan conflict resolution and we can't do anything unless Kashmir issue is solved.
3) Limited conflict: We can go for a limited conflic with india but strategically it won't achieve its abjectives as any stalemate in the conflict would make indian grip in the situation strong. It will prove that they can go away with their actions with just a small price.
4) Pakistan can help kashmiris with armed struggle and we can help them like we helped afghans against the soviets. We would need political supports of OIC member countries. At the same time we should be prepared for war in case india start one to put pressure on us. Any war would give us more opportunities to more openly support kashmiris in their struggle.
5) Take the opportunity and declare GB and kashmir as 5th and 6th province. India may start a conflict but they don't have edge for a decisive victory.

India is afraid of Afghan Taliban . They have been helping NDS for many years againt Afghan Taliban and now they are afraid of paying back in Kashmir. They are afraid that Taliban will move to Indian occupied Kashmir...my personal assessment

 

[Kaniska]

I am not sure, what Pakistan would exactly do, under those circumstances; since, at the moment, we are not in a position to even remotely assess that what chain of events would emerge, consequent to the repeal of the clause 35A. But, in my view, Pakistan would not be able to retain and continue with the current level of restraint. That is how I think.

In current situation if 35A is removed then it is again a bet for Pakistan to get involved to initiate a war with India...BJP gov in Delhi is different than any other gov is history of independent India...They are not averse to engage in a war with Pakistan but they do not want to start it...
So removal of special status is a good bait for you to get involved...Diplomatically, we will be successful if Pakistan initiates some kind of aggression against us...

 

[fitpOsitive]

India in recent days have sent additional troops to Kashmir and a war like situation had been created in kashmir.
We can asses whats their plans by simply looking at different events.
1) Non kahmiris were asked to leave kashmir which means they expect something from the locals against those non kashmiris.
2) Hurriyat leadership as well as pro indian leaders like mehbooba mufti all have been put under house arrest. Which clearly show that it had something to do with polictical issue.
something which is not acceptable to all kashmiris alike.
3) Additional troops have been placed on LOC and increase in heavy weapons for ceasefire violations clearly indicates that they want to put pressure on Pakistan and stop it from reacting to something which they think would force Pakistanis to react.
4) Airforce and army both on high alert clearly show that its not about terrorism or political issue only. Airforce is not used for such scenarios.
5) Repeated calls for abolishing article 35A and article 370. Which means modi sarkar think they have public support to make those moves.
6) During the last few weeks stories of how indian army planned to take strategic peaks from Pakistan in 2001-2002 to control LOC have surfaced in the news and indians were supporting the move.
7) Bill have been passed by indian Lok saba to give powers to NIA to declare anyone a terrorist. India in the past had failed to bring any reasonnable charges against Hurriyat leaders due to their non violent struggle. Now indians can charge them for terrorism. This will create unrest in the streets of kashmir.
8) Indians are trying to solve this independence issue once and for all. They may be planning to kill or arrest thousands of kashmiri muslims and crack down against anti india protestors. They are planning violent reaction so they expect response from Pakistan as well as the kashmiris.
Most possible step india is planning:
Shah Mehmood has already said that india want to change demographics of Kashmir. So article 35A abolishion is a confirm step they are planning. They are expecting response from kahmiris and Pakistanis alike that is why they are preparing to handle both situations.

Pakistan response and options:
Pakistan options to such scenario will be limited with only few options on the table as we don't have economic, political or military power to make decisive move on the issue.
But Pakistan can take few steps of it's own:
1) Go to UN but it won't be any productive as UN is a failed organization.
2) Blackmail US. We can tell US that with such prevailing situation we cannot focus on Afghanistan conflict resolution and we can't do anything unless Kashmir issue is solved.
3) Limited conflict: We can go for a limited conflic with india but strategically it won't achieve its abjectives as any stalemate in the conflict would make indian grip in the situation strong. It will prove that they can go away with their actions with just a small price.
4) Pakistan can help kashmiris with armed struggle and we can help them like we helped afghans against the soviets. We would need political supports of OIC member countries. At the same time we should be prepared for war in case india start one to put pressure on us. Any war would give us more opportunities to more openly support kashmiris in their struggle.
5) Take the opportunity and declare GB and kashmir as 5th and 6th province. India may start a conflict but they don't have edge for a decisive victory.

Same history being repeated, but this time, it's India and Kashmir, not Pakistan and bangal.
Next will come insurgency. Things will go out of control, UN will come into action. Security Council will pass resolution and bang, Kashmir will be an independent country.
And Pakistan, we are more then willing to obey our master.
I knew from day one, why modi is so much promoted.

 

[Ashwasthama]

Hahahahhahahhahahah ok. Good luck. What about super power 2020??? Do you think we are all fool ??

No, I think you are very smart. More smarter than anybody can think of.

Pakistan principle stand of pleblicite will be effected so Pakistan strategy may also change.
But good thing is that we at also easily target hindu civilians on other side after indians turn Kashmir into a Hindu state.
We will use cluster bombs as a retaliation to indians using cluster bombs on civilians.
Currently we can't do that as we consider real kashmiris as our brothers.

That is a great idea. You can do that in other neighbouring state having Hindu population.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Israel & China have demonstrated how to deal with 'Muslim Problem'. They do not expect any interference from outside while conducting their policies. India does not have that luxury. Pakistan will not allow this to happen. Because if Pakistan does nothing, the entire reason for keeping a gargantuan army disappears.

Majority of Kashmiris in the valley never wanted to join Pakistan. They still might not want to do so. But they would be happy to see Pakistanis spill blood for their 'cause'. I have seen them dither while in their hearts they have wanted to be totally independent. Half-heartedness brings about disasters and that is what has been happening in slow-motion; it may now speed up.

Kashmiris need to make up their minds. They do not have the wherewithal to wage a protracted freedom struggle. They either have to opt for Pakistan or India. There is absolutely no middle way.

Pakistan needs to prepare for war over Kashmir once again. This would be the third and final time. It would work to Pakistan's advantage only if Kashmiris join the cause. If they do not, then there is nothing much that Pakistan can do. The LoC is the defacto border and that is how it would actually become.

Likely Post-conflict scenario is:

1. Wider world engages and stops the hostilities in less than 2 weeks.
2. Another set of resolutions are passed in UN.
3. Article 370 is preserved.
4. Valley Hindus are guaranteed their right to return and live in peace.
5. LoC is acknowledged as border with free flow of goods and people of Kashmir.
6. Normalization of relations between Pakistan & India.

 

[Reddington]

If India dares to repeal Article 35A; it would essentially break the current stalemate in IOK and, I am sure, a totally new wave of violence and disruption would erupt in the valley and Pakistan would be forced to change its current policy of restraint.

I am not sure, what Pakistan would exactly do, under those circumstances; since, at the moment, we are not in a position to even remotely assess that what chain of events would emerge, consequent to the repeal of the clause 35A. But, in my view, Pakistan would not be able to retain and continue with the current level of restraint. That is how I think.

Indeed. These Indians live in a delusion believing that we will keep watching if violence erupts in Kashmir after the removal of Article 35A.

Pakistan would be forced to change its current sh**y pacifist policy.

It will all be 90's again. Indians still cry to this day that more than 100000 Hindus whatever were forced to leave Kashmir by Kashmiri freedom fighters in 90's.
This time it would be even far worse after India remove those articles.

 

[third eye]

The LoC is the defacto border and that is how it would actually become.

Why go to war then ?

 

[El Sidd]

Balkanisation of India will be the logical conclusion of these constitutional blunders by the Fascist mob.

 

[Kabira]

Funny thing is, these guarantees were also available to them had they joined AJK.

She talk about secularism and democracy and then go on to defend abuse of human rights of other Indians in the name of ethnicity. How are other Indians not allowed to settle in secular democratic land of IoK? That Mufti biotch is fooling no one. You are either part of India or not. All these so called secular Kashmiri muslims should stop crying about identity and accept this. Rest with some dignity left should fight to join Pakistan.