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After blocking India’s NSG bid, China now seeks New Delhi’s help on South China Sea issue

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After blocking India’s NSG bid, China now seeks New Delhi’s help on South China Sea issue.

Facing severe criticism from several world quarters for rejecting an international tribunal’s recent verdict over South China Sea, China is now seeking India’s support to ensure that other countries do not raise the controversial issue during the upcoming G20 meet in early September.

According to reports, China does not want a discussion on the subject at G20, and wants India not to join any country which is seeking a discussion.
Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi, who will be arriving here on a three-day visit starting August 12, will be making efforts to ensure that India does not join other countries in raising the matter during the G20 summit in Hangzhou.

Beijing is extremely worried that several countries, including the United States, will raise the issue after an international tribunal rejected its claims over ownership of much of the sea area recently. The ruling came after Philippines challenged Beijing’s claim over much of the sea area at a tribunal constituted under the United Nations Convention of the Law of the Seas.

Initially, Beijing was not pleased by the guarded response from New Delhi which said that the UN convention should be effectively implemented, and all the relevant parties should cooperate.

During his three-day stay here, Yi will hold talks with his counterpart Sushma Swaraj on August 13 during in which key regional and bilateral issues will also be discussed, including the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) issue.

Earlier this year, China had blocked India’s membership bid at the Plenary meeting of the 48- nation grouping in June on the grounds that it was a non-NPT signatory.

The visit by Chinese minister also comes just days after Chinese troops ‘transgressed’ the border on land and by air in Chamoli district of Uttarakhand.

Announcing the visit, External Affairs Ministry spokesperson Vikas Swarup on Friday said that the leaders will discuss various issues of mutual interests, including the upcoming multilateral meetings with G-20 Summit being held in China and the BRICS Summit being held in India.

When asked whether India will raise the recent incident of transgression in Uttarakhand at the meeting, Swarup said, all international, regional and bilateral issues of mutual interest will be discussed.

However, he added that the Defence Minister has already made a statement and there are mechanisms, including at army- to-army level, to take care of such incidents.

According to sources, the Indian side is likely to raise the issue of China scuttling India's NSG membership bid.

"Visit of Foreign Minister Wang to India is part of the regular high level dialogue between the two countries," Swarup said.

Apart from India, Wang will also visit Kenya and Uganda during his six-day trip starting from August 9.

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China needs help ??? Haha has joke of century rather China give this :nana:to India

If you are taking per-capita as the power scale of country then of course countries like finland etc will be more powerful than china, india etc.

Even US is powerful not only because of its per-capita, but because of its size,number of population,military strength,GDP,technology and overall influence like political,soft power etc.

For your information India is not like india in 80's but now becomes 7th largest economy(GDP-nominal),3rd largest in GDP PPP, largest arms importer,fastest growing major economy,one the largest kee world products like cement,steel,coal,medicines etc and largest software outsourcing and one of the largest in space power etc.We also have poor because its almost 1.25 billion people and a big country.India also have one of the world's largest road and rail networks.India also a largest gold importer in the world.India is a member in G20,BRICS etc.India is the 3rd largest producer of electricity.

Now you can compare where is pakistan in all above parameters.Because all above factors India is having much weightage in world stage.Every year pass by, the gap between india and pakistan increasing.In world stage money,power and influence matters....
This wasn't abt pak though but let me tell u some facts
There are a number of things that both India and Pakistan do better than the other. Often times, discussions like these are started simply to incite a petty war of words, and to give both sides a false sense of superiority over the other. I hope on a forum like Quora however, this discussion may allow people on both sides of the border to learn from their counterparts. Since this question is about what Pakistan does better, I'll mention a few of the more prominent things that come to mind.

Poverty Rates

According to a 2011 United Nations report, poverty levels in Pakistan are surprisingly lower than those in India. According to the UN's numbers, an estimated 21.6% of Pakistanis live on less than 79 cents per day. This is a tragically high figure considering Pakistan's population is estimated to be 180 Million.

But India's figure is almost double that at 41.6%, with the population estimated to be at 1.1 billion. Surprising figures, especially given India's rapid economic growth in recent decades.

Full disclosure- Some internal Pakistani studies have put Pakistan's poverty rate a lot higher than the UN's, but even those have only gone as high as 37%.

Gender Equality

The same UN study also reported that Pakistan fares better in terms of providing equal opportunities to women. The criteria used to make this determination were maternal death rates, teenage pregnancy, access to education, number of women in the workplace and the number of women in elected office.

This figure must come as quite a shock to many, given Pakistan's characterization in the years since 9/11 as a hub of ultra-conservative religious nuts. Having lived in Pakistan for several years, I will be the first to say that the improvement of women's rights is a pressing need, but the situation on the ground isn't as bad as it's sometimes made out to be, and the problems with women's rights are linked more closely to socioeconomic factors than to religious ones. The UN study seems to vindicate that point of view.

The News Media

I have spent a large part of my life living in Saudi Arabia. The majority of my family still lives there and I visit often. This has given me the unique opportunity to watch both Pakistani and Indian news outlets consistently, as almost all Indian channels are banned in Pakistan.

India was the first to pioneer western-style 24/7 news channels in the mid-90's. this was a significant achievement for a sub-continental nation, as previously dissent against governments, even by journalists was difficult at best. It was refreshing to see politicians being held accountable for their actions on the nightly news (even if they weren't Pakistani). In recent years however, much of that journalistic integrity has been traded for garish tabloid-esque sensationalism. But this isn't the reason I mention the news media, as Pakistani news channels have followed a similar trajectory since their inception in the early 2000's.

The difference lies in how Pakistan is treated and mischaracterized on an almost daily basis in mainstream Indain news. Pakistan is often shown to be a country obsessed with destroying India. As a Pakistani, I can tell you this simply isn't true. The large majority of Pakistani's don't think of India much (we have our own problems). When we do, it's usually with a certain degree of admiration for India's economic success. Or because almost everyone in Pakistan is obsessed with Bollywood. By contrast, Pakistani news outlets rarely feature stories pertaining to India, and when they do, they are considerably more focused on criticizing our own government for it's failure to keep pace with our old neighbor, than they are on demonizing India.

Contemporary Music

Since the late 80's, pakistan has produced a multitude of great music acts. these days some of the best of the include bands like Noori, Meekal Hassan Band, Mauj, Zeb &Haniya and of course Ali Azmat. English language bands are also quite common, with Coven and Poor Rich Boy arguably the most accomplished. Experimental projects like Coke Studio must also be mentioned.

It isn't the number of mainstream bands produced by Pakistan that is impressive (I believe the number is quite low), but the sheer quality and artistry displayed by them. In my opinion this is down to the fact that in Pakistan music is not a lucrative venture by any stretch. Legal and copyright issues ensure that, even with a great degree of recognition and plaudits, bands and artists rarely make enough money to support themselves. This means that only those who are most dedicated to their art persist and come to the limelight.

In India, artistry in music seems to have been sidelined. Where maestros like Ravi Shankar were celebrated in the past, the current "music industry" is designed to make only those meaningless jingles which can make the most money. Hopefully there will be a reversal in this trend in the near future, as India has one of the richest musical traditions in the world.

And Lastly...

As a self respecting Pakistani, who is aware that many Indians will read this answer, I cannot leave out this final statistic:

Tests ODI t20
Matches played 59 121 2

Won By India 9 48 1

Won By Pakistan 12 69 0

No Result/Draw 38 4 1

A very subjective question by it's very nature, but those are some of the things that come to mind.


I believe civil and human rights activists like Ansar Burney are a greatest asset of Pakistan. His non-political, non-governmental and non-profitable organization Ansar Burney Trust International (as it is known now) was the first Pakistani organization to fight for the concept of human rights in Pakistan.

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One of the prominent case in which he was involved in is as follows:

MV Suez, a Panamanian flag cargo vessel with 22 crew members was hijacked by Somali pirates on 2 August 2010. The crew consisted of 11 Egyptians, 6 Indians, 4 Pakistanis and a Sri Lankan. The pirates demanded a ransom of $20 million from the ship’s owner; however they could only manage $1 million. In desperation, the pirates allowed the crew members to contact their homes. Unable to raise the large sum of money to pay the ransom, the families contacted Ansar Burney, whom along with Governor of Sindh Dr. Ishrat-ul-Ibad launched a national campaign to raise the funds. Burney travelled to the UAE, Egypt, Somalia and India in a bid to secure the release of the crew members and finally succeeded and the vessel was released on 13 June 2011. An operation was then launched by the Pakistan Navy entitled Operation Umeed-e-Nuh to escort the ship and its sailors to Karachi, Pakistan.

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Below are the links from Indian Media in which an Indian victim’s wife is praising Pakistan & Ansar Burney for their efforts.

DailyMotion Link :
Indian Victim’s Wife Praising Pakistan & Ansar Burney for helping


1. Health & Life

Pakistan is at 144 and India is at 150 in terms if life expectancy.
Largest ambulance service in the world.
Second largest gas infrastructure in the world after USA.
One of the most independent media.
Petrol is cheap as compare to India.
Positive Things About Pakistan
Gasoline and diesel usage and pricing
List of countries by life expectancy

2. Arts, Entertainment & Sports
Coke Studio Pakistan
Singer - Rahat Fateh Ali Khan, Atif Aslam, Strings (Band)
Daily Soap - Kitni Girhain Baaki Hain, Aunn Zara
Fast Bowlers
Sufi Music
Pakistani Truck Art
Squash -Jahangir Khan
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Jahangir Khan

3. Intelligence Agency
Pakistan's ISI consider best then Indian RAW.
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4. Last but not least
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No one can beat Bilawal Bhutto in terms of Stupidity, Not even Rahul Gandhi.
Indian guy say something abt !!

Chandrahas Rao, Analyst International Relations
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Others have given such fine answers regarding Pakistani culture and people, I would focus on the Military and Intelligence aspects

Militarily speaking Pakistan is superior in the following aspects:

a. More Nuclear warheads than India (number is unknown but approx around 120-140) compared to our 105-110


b. Missile Program - Their Cruise Missile Program is better than ours.
They have a diverse range of options and more mature platforms to choose from.
With the help of Saudi wealth and Chinese know-how, they have done a commendable job by developing the following missiles -

Battlefield range ballistic missiles (BRBM)
Short range ballistic missiles (SRBM)
Medium range ballistic missiles (MRBM)
Cruise missiles
Anti-tank guided missiles (ATGM)
Air-to-surface missiles

c. Intelligence Agency

Everyone knows the ISI is ranked as one of the most fearsome intelligence agencies.
If CIA and ISI both had Rs. 100 each, ISI would manage to cause havoc worth Rs.200 compared to Rs. 50 by CIA
Ofcourse ISI has an army of radicalized youth at their beck and call, but the sort of sleeper cells and contacts they have built in India, it is a humongous task for the Indian Intelligence agencies to keep track.

ISI is the master of covert operations using irregular forces. Afghanistan war taught them a lot.
During the Afghan war, all the money given by the US was used by the ISI to set up hundreds of madarsas along the Af-Pak border, where thousands of young Afghanistani and Pakistani were indoctrinated.

When the Soviets left Afghanistan, ISI unleashed all of these terrorists towards Kashmir and made Kashmir a war zone for 20 years

As ISI kept getting better, we hit the axe on our foot by electing a super-coalition government headed by I.K Gujral, who made R&AW remove all their agents from Pakistan, and within 1.5 years of this debacle, Kargil happened and we were left unaware
Lol assess many more to say....
 
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Stop bothering us and save your mental wanking to your own,india wanker nation,you are doomed to dupe yourselves into believing in craps concocted by yourselves to find your sense of being while nauseating others,Doooooooooomed Dude!

Then tell your minister not to come here and bother us for your SCS problem
 
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I've seen negative ratings showered to Indian members for talking about nukes, but what about this??? I mean does it even required here..
@waz @Horus @Oscar @WebMaster @Taygibay @SpArK @neem456

I'd tend to agree there but for 2 things AllenI :
A- Neem answered him correctly as such threats are impractical as all lucid folks know;
B- There are dedicated thread for complaints, my good man :
https://defence.pk/threads/review-ratings-ii.397939/page-32 for example!

These are in this section of PDF : https://defence.pk/forums/suggestions-discussions.20/
There is no permanent thread to ask for more punishment however, simply because it
is thought more important for management to correct excessively rigorous enforcement
than to apply more of it. PDF is not such a bad place, you see?

What's more, you do have a Report button available to you as we all do!
Using it makes for uninterrupted threads as compared to your technic?

Last but not least, I am not on the Moderation team, my friend! I do work
at reducing noise with them but I don't meddle in other people's business.

I will however answer you whenever possible.
Have the best of days and don't fret overly on Internet exchanges, Tay.


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He was the one who started the conversation with rude remarks, I merely responded.

That is no excuse, mate! Don't try that in court nor anywhere really!
You are responsible for your own actions and behaviour!
Would you blame a bear trap cause you stepped in it?
 
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India is also home to 1/3rd of worlds poor so i dont know where you can shove bricks and G20 when ordinary people are living dirt poor. If you are trying to compare to compare Pakistan then here are some facts.

Pakistan is atleast 10 time smaller nation in terms of land mass
Pakistan is almost 8 time smaller in terms of population

If you want ti compare then compare yourself with china.

Yes this is how many pakistani's getting satisfied by showing india's poverty.But why you can't defeat ur defined poor country with your political,military muscle.You should defeat us soo easily, since almost all indians are poor !
 
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Lol like they do so in occupied Kashmir and with rest of states lol
yes truth and justice,you pickup a gun and fight against state the you are a terrorist-truth.
And when you pick up a gun ,you die -justice.
 
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I'd tend to agree there but for 2 things AllenI :
A- Neem answered him correctly as such threats are impractical as all lucid folks know;
B- There are dedicated thread for complaints, my good man :
https://defence.pk/threads/review-ratings-ii.397939/page-32 for example!

These are in this section of PDF : https://defence.pk/forums/suggestions-discussions.20/
There is no permanent thread to ask for more punishment however, simply because it
is thought more important for management to correct excessively rigorous enforcement
than to apply more of it. PDF is not such a bad place, you see?

What's more, you do have a Report button available to you as we all do!
Using it makes for uninterrupted threads as compared to your technic?

Last but not least, I am not on the Moderation team, my friend! I do work
at reducing noise with them but I don't meddle in other people's business.

I will however answer you whenever possible.
Have the best of days and don't fret overly on Internet exchanges, Tay.


P.S.

That is no excuse, mate! Don't try that in court nor anywhere really!
You are responsible for your own actions and behaviour!
Would you blame a bear trap cause you stepped in it?
Tay, thanks mate for the response, but the reason why I quote you more often is that, your participation actively in moderating the threads most of the times, though you are not a moderator.. Yes, I did use the report option this time.. Good day..
 
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China opposed to India's NSG membership for two reasons, 1. It wanted India to not to oppose any proposal to Pak;s entry into NSG 2. China wanted India to commit itself to Chin's One Belt, One Road project..While India agreed on former, it rejected the later....China had never imagined it will need India's support in its own backyard..China has lost the face and now got two things where it needs India.....additionally, India is a member of MTCR now, so it can block china's entry into the elite club whenever china is ready for that! ..It seems in future, China or India cant afford to have self centric policies...both will have to support each other interests...
 
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