Afghanistan wants India’s inclusion in Pak-Afghan transit pact

[Tom M]

It was a muslim majority state that simply wanted to be free from hindus and be part of Pakistan

This was the whole point of Partition, indua occupying it created the basic reason for ongoing emnity

But I will restate thst emnity regardless of cost has been the best thing for the freedom of Pakistan


After Partition with no emnity the wounds would have healed, South Asia like all the other regions of the world would have started to integrate economically, politically, maybe even militarily with security pacts

India as the largest state would be the centre of this South Asian Union
Pakistan without the encouragement of emnity and anti india hatred would not have pursued nuclear weapons, military independence or development

We would be second fiddle at best or maybe even pseudo-subservient to india, whilst india on the world stage would have presented itself as representative of South Asia


Emnity freed us from india,
Partition broke the bonds
But emnity gave us freedom
Gave us the impetus to develop the weapons, nukes, military and india independent economic and political process

To put it in simple terms, a big BIG JEALOUSY.

Today india means diddly squat to Pakistan

LOL, do read newspapers daily to know Pakistan's relevance in the world vis a vis India.

Outside a desire to destroy it and free Kashmir, we want nothing to do with india and we have the weapons to end india let alone keep it at bay

That's exactly the reason why Pakistan is in current state of affairs.

No nation can develop without failures and pain, but a free Pakistan was only possible through the pain of 70 years of trial

Hmm, can't agree more. But a small correction it not just trail, it's Trial and Error. A little trial and a whole lot of errors (being part of WOT to be one of them).

We can grow our own Tomatoes

Our own industry is hamstrung by importing from india and hording to artificially raise the price

Only banning indian produce and a anti corruption drive will fix the problem

What we cant fulfil we can get from iran

Surely you can, that's why Tomatoes are flying high there it seems. Try to be bit rational than a blind nationalist.

 

[Musalman]

This is what currently in practice

currently its via Karachi port

 

[Tom M]

If Pakistan allows India to sell goods in Afghanistan, its will be at the cost of Pakistan's economy (manufacturing and exports to Afganistan). So if you don't want this to happen, do as west do with Pakistan by apply too high taxes on exports from Pakistan to make it impossible to compeat internationly. Pakistan can make them pay high transit fees, its win win for Pakistan in either case if they do or if they don't, simply saying "NO we will not allow transit trade between AFg-Ind will not be accepted internationally".

This clearly shows yo guy's are never rational. Firstly, Pakistan can't stop India doing business with Afghanistan, nothing more than what you are doing now. Actually who is Pakistan to dictate business terms between India and Afghanistan ???? Moreover, if you make the cost of Imports too high for Afghanistan, Pakistan will simply loose it's third largest export destination nothing else. Remember Afghanistan is not encircled by Pakistan form all sides.

Pakistan has already letting NATO using transit route for peanuts for last 16 years, its non-sense. Get rid of US&UK AID, earn it legitimately.

LOL

 

[H!TchHiker]

currently its via Karachi port

No, they do it through Wagha border also...and in exactly the same manner you described is in practice

 

[Spring Onion]

Trash the pact even with Afghanistan. India and Afghanistan can airlift their goods to each other and ohh the might chahbahar port is also there.
In the meanwhile the Afghan sissy officials can continue fake propaganda against Pakistan on twitter

This clearly shows yo guy's are never rational. Firstly, Pakistan can't stop India doing business with Afghanistan, nothing more than what you are doing now. Actually who is Pakistan to dictate business terms between India and Afghanistan ???? Moreover, if you make the cost of Imports too high for Afghanistan, Pakistan will simply loose it's third largest export destination nothing else. Remember Afghanistan is not encircled by Pakistan form all sides.



LOL

We are not stopping you to trade with Afghanistan. You are free to airlift or use any other route other than Pakistani soil to reach Afghanistan.
And we are already suffering from smuggling or goods to Afghanistan so time to close down borer for all such illegal transportation

 

[BABA AGHORI]

For us Pakistan, Afganistan is a good market. Our industry sell its product in Afganistan. We just can not avoid Afganistan. For them Pakistan is the cheapest route, they also can not avoid us.
India should be given ground route but their trucks should not be allowed on Pakistan soil, instead a station should be established at Wagha, where Indian trucks should disembark goods to Pakistani trucks and they should proceed further to Afganistan.
That way, Afganistan will save the transportation cost and Pakistan will earn money.

Well, that what the current scenario is --- AFG. trucks loose revenue, as they are not allowed with Indian goods from wagha border and they have to return empty or take Pakistani goods which they actually don't want. That is why Afganistan said no to Pakistan for new transit meeting.
Is it the same case scenario for China that they have to unload and reload goods at the China Pak border so that Pakistani truckers can earn some revenue?

Trash the pact even with Afghanistan. India and Afghanistan can airlift their goods to each other and ohh the might chahbahar port is also there.
In the meanwhile the Afghan sissy officials can continue fake propaganda against Pakistan on twitter


We are not stopping you to trade with Afghanistan. You are free to airlift or use any other route other than Pakistani soil to reach Afghanistan.
And we are already suffering from smuggling or goods to Afghanistan so time to close down borer for all such illegal transportation

That the best part, Trash the pact with Afg. That will completely seal the East-West borders for Pakistan.

This clearly shows yo guy's are never rational. Firstly, Pakistan can't stop India doing business with Afghanistan, nothing more than what you are doing now. Actually who is Pakistan to dictate business terms between India and Afghanistan ???? Moreover, if you make the cost of Imports too high for Afghanistan, Pakistan will simply loose it's third largest export destination nothing else. Remember Afghanistan is not encircled by Pakistan form all sides.



LOL

the detractors of the idea say that allowing Afghanistan and India to use Pakistani soil would also result in losing Central Asian markets to more competitive Indian products.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/26444/pakistan-afghanistan-fail-to-sign-new-transit-trade-treaty/

 

[RealNapster]

@RealNapster told you that they are just going to waste more money by building that highway to hell.

Well, we both have different opinions.

 

[RoadRunner401]

This clearly shows yo guy's are never rational. Firstly, Pakistan can't stop India doing business with Afghanistan, nothing more than what you are doing now. Actually who is Pakistan to dictate business terms between India and Afghanistan ???? Moreover, if you make the cost of Imports too high for Afghanistan, Pakistan will simply loose it's third largest export destination nothing else. Remember Afghanistan is not encircled by Pakistan form all sides.



LOL

There we go another Indian making things up as we go along to make his point valid, Afghanistan was Pakistan's second-biggest export destination after the United States until 2011. Presently, China has acquired this position, followed by the United Kingdom and Germany.

We aren't the ones trying to stop or dictate Afghans from improving their economy, its India, you are the ones forcing your will on to Afghans in exchange for few dollars per year you give to subsidize Afghan federal budget.

All goods destined for Afghanistan via Karachi were smuggled back into Pakistan costing our industry millions per year in lost revenue, guess what, now it's costing Indians millions per year to keep afghans happy, we are and we will continue to make Afghans pay higher prices for everything until they realize and address our security concerns

Oh by the way, how is that Air freight service working out between Afghanistan and India, I hear other than poppy Indians aren't picking up anything because its cost too much

 

[hussain0216]

To put it in simple terms, a big BIG JEALOUSY.

It basically freed us from any political, economic or security union with india

Made us into a nuclear weapons state with a vast military complex

It gave us the ability to take on the threat of a hindutva india

 

[Tom M]

It basically freed us from any political, economic or security union with india

Made us into a nuclear weapons state with a vast military complex

Apparently making the prophecy of your great leader (ZA Butto) true in the process.

It gave us the ability to take on the threat of a hindutva india

LOL, a threat that Pakistan made yourself through pin pricking others time and gain, huh ????

There we go another Indian making things up as we go along to make his point valid, Afghanistan was Pakistan's second-biggest export destination after the United States until 2011. Presently, China has acquired this position, followed by the United Kingdom and Germany.

We aren't the ones trying to stop or dictate Afghans from improving their economy, its India, you are the ones forcing your will on to Afghans in exchange for few dollars per year you give to subsidize Afghan federal budget.

All goods destined for Afghanistan via Karachi were smuggled back into Pakistan costing our industry millions per year in lost revenue, guess what, now it's costing Indians millions per year to keep afghans happy, we are and we will continue to make Afghans pay higher prices for everything until they realize and address our security concerns

Oh by the way, how is that Air freight service working out between Afghanistan and India, I hear other than poppy Indians aren't picking up anything because its cost too much

The problem with you guy's are you never understand the meaning of the quote " What goes around comes around." If you make the Afghans pay heavy prices, they will try everything within their disposal to reciprocate in the same way, which you are already seeing once in a while inside Pakistan I guess. The same thing is applicable in the case of India as well. If Pakistan is smart, there are other smart guys as well around your backyard. So don't just forget that.

 

[Chhatrapati]

wrong, afghan demands are un realistic, they want unsupervised imports from india which means dumping of indian products in pakistani markets..which defies common sense

Afghanistan govt is dancing to the tunes of india, this is not new and is nt surprising

How come a transit route becomes dumping ground? Please explain that.

Afghan government is trying to reach the largest market in South Asia. They want trade for their business to grow.

Last time i checked it was afghan traders who suffered and had to bear the brunt of cost and loss because the Goods rotted away on their airport when they opted for Air corridor

Quite natural when you do that for the first time. Learn from mistakes and moving on is how it is done.

 

[defence_analyst]

Afghanis can't afford Indian products, last thing we want is more smugling.

How come a transit route becomes dumping ground? Please explain that.

Afghan government is trying to reach the largest market in South Asia. They want trade for their business to grow.

Clearly you have little idea about Afghanis, they are famous for smugling in Pakistan which cost us billions of $ every year. They take advantage of tax free transit through Karachi port and then dump them in our markets.

 

[JohnyD]

We dont really care, we just know we dont want to work with India

It is our manifest destiny to destroy that hindutva republic

Great Thinking....I am afraid if you are in your 20ties or 30ties....I thought with passing by of old blood India Pak relationship would improve....but it seems extremism comes by birth in some caste and creed....pls prove me wrong!

 

[Musalman]

No, they do it through Wagha border also...and in exactly the same manner you described is in practice

If that is true than I think nothing more should be allowed. In fact all transportation should be made on NLC trucks. We get the transportation and manufacture a new JF17

 

[Mrc]

They can fck them selves