Afghanistan: Taliban won't talk because it is winning

[Bratva]

No denying that TTP are terrorists, but so are the Afghan Taliban.
They are trying to assume control by force, and not by the wish of Afghanis.

The TTP leaders started off as Afghan Taliban.
The Afghan Talibans would have been nowhere without Pakistan support.
Pakistan material and training was thus the base for TTP.

With little control over what happens after stuff is provided to the Taliban,
Pakistan is supporting terror against itself.

Even if a group would attack both Afgani forces and Pakistan,
and material provided by Pakistan only would be used against Afghanistan,
the Pakistani support would free up other stuff,
that can be concentrated on attacks vs Pakistan.

So traitors like yourself fund indirectly the deaths of innocent Pakistanis.
Yesterday your tally was 75. How many more?

Wow wow hold your horses. Classic of ignorance being displayed by a typical western. Do you even knkw TTP aka Islamic state is being at war with afghan taliban right now? Do you even know there is no presence of afghan taliban in those areas where islamic state aka TTP operate ? Do you bloody even know afghanistan recently pardoned butucher of kabul hekmatyar gulbuddin ?

Brush up your knowkedge of current conflict and then start preaching with correct facts and figures. Whatever you are sprouting at = ttp has zero factual evidence in todays environment.

No denying that TTP are terrorists, but so are the Afghan Taliban.
They are trying to assume control by force, and not by the wish of Afghanis.

The TTP leaders started off as Afghan Taliban.
The Afghan Talibans would have been nowhere without Pakistan support.
Pakistan material and training was thus the base for TTP.

With little control over what happens after stuff is provided to the Taliban,
Pakistan is supporting terror against itself.

Even if a group would attack both Afgani forces and Pakistan,
and material provided by Pakistan only would be used against Afghanistan,
the Pakistani support would free up other stuff,
that can be concentrated on attacks vs Pakistan.

So traitors like yourself fund indirectly the deaths of innocent Pakistanis.
Yesterday your tally was 75. How many more?

Wow wow hold your horses. Classic of ignorance being displayed by a typical western. Do you even knkw TTP aka Islamic state is being at war with afghan taliban right now? Do you even know there is no presence of afghan taliban in those areas where islamic state aka TTP operate ? Do you bloody even know afghanistan recently pardoned butucher of kabul hekmatyar gulbuddin ?

Brush up your knowkedge of current conflict and then start preaching with correct facts and figures. Whatever you are sprouting at = ttp has zero factual evidence in todays environment.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Wow wow hold your horses. Classic of ignorance being displayed by a typical western. Do you even knkw TTP aka Islamic state is being at war with afghan taliban right now? Do you even know there is no presence of afghan taliban in those areas where islamic state aka TTP operate ? Do you bloody even know afghanistan recently pardoned butucher of kabul hekmatyar gulbuddin ?

Brush up your knowkedge of current conflict and then start preaching with correct facts and figures. Whatever you are sprouting at = ttp has zero factual evidence in todays environment.



Wow wow hold your horses. Classic of ignorance being displayed by a typical western. Do you even knkw TTP aka Islamic state is being at war with afghan taliban right now? Do you even know there is no presence of afghan taliban in those areas where islamic state aka TTP operate ? Do you bloody even know afghanistan recently pardoned butucher of kabul hekmatyar gulbuddin ?

Brush up your knowkedge of current conflict and then start preaching with correct facts and figures. Whatever you are sprouting at = ttp has zero factual evidence in todays environment.

Exactly,

Afghan Taliban and TTP are totally different elements.

The TTP are bloody terrorists.

Afghan Taliban is a national movement in Afghanistan.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Wow wow hold your horses. Classic of ignorance being displayed by a typical western. Do you even knkw TTP aka Islamic state is being at war with afghan taliban right now? Do you even know there is no presence of afghan taliban in those areas where islamic state aka TTP operate ? Do you bloody even know afghanistan recently pardoned butucher of kabul hekmatyar gulbuddin ?

Brush up your knowkedge of current conflict and then start preaching with correct facts and figures. Whatever you are sprouting at = ttp has zero factual evidence in todays environment.



Wow wow hold your horses. Classic of ignorance being displayed by a typical western. Do you even knkw TTP aka Islamic state is being at war with afghan taliban right now? Do you even know there is no presence of afghan taliban in those areas where islamic state aka TTP operate ? Do you bloody even know afghanistan recently pardoned butucher of kabul hekmatyar gulbuddin ?

Brush up your knowkedge of current conflict and then start preaching with correct facts and figures. Whatever you are sprouting at = ttp has zero factual evidence in todays environment.

Do You deny that ANY Afghan Taliban has joined TTP?

Exactly,

Afghan Taliban and TTP are totally different elements.

The TTP are bloody terrorists.

Afghan Taliban is a national movement in Afghanistan.

Exactly why post a repeat of a previous post.

 

[GumNaam]

Do You deny that ANY Afghan Taliban has joined TTP?



Exactly why post a repeat of a previous post.

You can't prove otherwise either so this is a dead on arrival question.

 

[sbh02]

The TTP and Afghan Taliban are both Islamist organizations.

The difference is that despite the US funding billions of $ to the ANA and ANP, it realized that the Kabul government would never be strong enough to establish its writ across large sections of the country, so they favored negotiations with them; as do Russia, Iran, China, UAE and other nations today.

Whereas, the same cannot be said of the TTP in Pakistan.

Both the TTP and Afghan Taliban employ similar, violent methods, and extremist/militant ideology.

But Afghanistan is full of militancy from all sides already, and Ghani has tried to bring Islamist Hekmetyar on his side as well.

 

[Tamilnadu]

Exactly,

Afghan Taliban and TTP are totally different elements.

The TTP are bloody terrorists.

Afghan Taliban is a national movement in Afghanistan.

Thats the problem
It depends on which side of the border your are standing.if you are Pakistani side Then TTP are terrorist and Afgan taliban are not.if you are on Afghan side then Afghan taliban are terrorist and TTP are not.

The only solution is treating both groups as terrorists and working together to eleminate them.otherwise you can support AT and they will support TTP and there will be no peace in both countries.

 

[sbh02]

Thats the problem
It depends on which side of the border your are standing.if you are Pakistani side Then TTP are terrorist and Afgan taliban are not.if you are on Afghan side then Afghan taliban are terrorist and TTP are not.

The only solution is treating both groups as terrorists and working together to eleminate them.otherwise you can support AT and they will support TTP and there will be no peace in both countries.

If they are the same, why are world powers such as the US, China, Russia, Iran, UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia etc have diplomatic contacts with the Afghan Taliban, but not with the TTP?

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

You can't prove otherwise either so this is a dead on arrival question.

That is easy, just start with the leaders.

Baitullah Mehsud Abdullah Mehsud.

Both Taliban, then TTP.

You are avoiding the question, because You know I am right.

 

[sbh02]

That is easy, just start with the leaders.

Baitullah Mehsud Abdullah Mehsud.

Both Taliban, then TTP.

You are avoiding the question, because You know I am right.

Baitullah mehsud was never part of the Taliban. And baitullah mehsud believed abdullah mehsud was a double agent, and did not trust him.

 

[Tamilnadu]

If they are the same, why are world powers such as the US, China, Russia, Iran, UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia etc have diplomatic contacts with the Afghan Taliban, but not with the TTP?

So if TTP has deplomatic relations with them will you treat TTP as a non terror group.

 

[sbh02]

So if TTP has deplomatic relations with them will you treat TTP as a non terror group.

They don't have any, because they have no legitimacy, in Pakistan or otherwise.

And even though the Afghan Taliban are fundamentalists in the same light as the TTP, they enjoy legitimacy both inside Afghanistan, and in international diplomatic circles too.

 

[Tamilnadu]

They don't have any, because they have no legitimacy, in Pakistan or otherwise.

And even though the Afghan Taliban are fundamentalists in the same light as the TTP, they enjoy legitimacy both inside Afghanistan, and in international diplomatic circles too.

When the US was bombing Afghan taliban ,they moved to tribal areas of Pakistan ,even their last leader was elected in pakistan..some countries have started or wanting to talk to them only in the last few years.you dint call them terrorist then.the reason they might talk is because these countries have stakes in Afghanistn and when they have stakes in Pakistan they will Talk to TTP as well.
Again i will ask again,if they start talking to TTP in a year or two will you say TTP is not a terrorist organisation.

 

[sbh02]

When the US was bombing Afghan taliban ,they moved to tribal areas of Pakistan ,even their last leader was elected in pakistan..some countries have started or wanting to talk to them only in the last few years.you dint call them terrorist then.the reason they might talk is because these countries have stakes in Afghanistn and when they have stakes in Pakistan they will Talk to TTP as well.
Again i will ask again,if they start talking to TTP in a year or two will you say TTP is not a terrorist organisation.

The US never designated the Afghan Taliban as a terrorist group, only a few leaders:

https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews....iban-terrorists-white-house/story?id=28588120

The TTP isn't in the same category.

If the TTP gained legitimacy inside Pakistan, then it would outside of Pakistan too. Otherwise it won't.

And the TTP will never gain legitimacy inside Pakistan.

The Afghan Taliban has legitimacy inside Afghanistan, that's why they have diplomatic contacts with international powers.

 

[ito]

For Americans Taliban is AQ, Taliban is not winning until the coalition forces are there in Afghanistan. Taliban is not going to comeback.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Baitullah mehsud was never part of the Taliban. And baitullah mehsud believed abdullah mehsud was a double agent, and did not trust him.

http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/mar/10pspec.htm

"After the death of Nek Mohammad, Baitullah was appointed as Mullah Omar's governor of the Mehsud tribe in a special ceremony attended by five leading Taliban commanders. One of them was Mullah Dadullah, who tried to kill (Afghan President) Hamid Karzai," says a top source in Pakistani intelligence."