Afghanistan: Taliban won't talk because it is winning

[A.P. Richelieu]

The Afghan people want the Afghan Taliban to win. lol.

And while You are laughing, their friends are blowing up innocent Pakistanis,
and will continue, as long as traitors like You support terrorists.

 

[MultaniGuy]

And while You are laughing, their friends are blowing up innocent Pakistanis,
and will continue, as long as traitors like You support terrorists.

Whats this rubbish.

There is a difference between afghan taliban and TTP.

TTP are traitors. Afghan Taliban is a national movement in Afghanistan.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Whats this rubbish.

There is a difference between afghan taliban and TTP.

TTP are traitors. Afghan Taliban is a national movement in Afghanistan.

Two branches from the same tree, which a traitor would deny.

TTP founders used to be Afghani taliban, and Pakistani websites
admit that fighters change allegiance between TTP and Afghani Talibans.

 

[GumNaam]

And while You are laughing, their friends are blowing up innocent Pakistanis,
and will continue, as long as traitors like You support terrorists.

all the support for ttp is coming from afghani areas under the afghan gov control where the indian raw and nds are active. there is no support for these indian backed terrorists coming from afghan areas under the afghan taliban control. This fact has already been established in front of the ghani regime.

 

[Indika]

I think your argument makes a damning good case how incompetent both Afghanistan and US has been in trying to fight the Taliban. As of today, they still control large swaths of territory. They are showing no inclination to come to the negotiation table even after countless pleas.

In essence, what I'm asking is: what's the solution here? True, US can't just leave, but it also can continue on its presence course.

There ppl in the world who simply want it to burn,

http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Burmese_Bandit

taliban is a proxy, they will never come to negotiating table. Thing is they know once they come to negotiating table and if they agree for peace their masters will be at loss. Taliban several times tried to initiate peace talks but ppl who did it got arrested in their sanctuary. Their so called emir mullah omar was kept alive just to fool the cadres into thinking that they are indeed fighting a holy war.

On the part of americans, it is not that they cannot go after sources funding taliban and screw them. They deliberately let taliban live. It suits their purpose, to simply stay put in afghanistan. US is more interested in keeping it self a relevant player in afghanistan than lives of afghans. Simply put its all in the game.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

all the support for ttp is coming from afghani areas under the afghan gov control where the indian raw and nds are active. there is no support for these indian backed terrorists coming from afghan areas under the afghan taliban control. This fact has already been established in front of the ghani regime.

As fighters are Afghan Talibans on Monday, and TTP on Friday,
that is a real hollow argument.
The material for bombs can definitely been provided by Pakistani traitors,
on a Monday...

Here is a description by an unknown source.
Feel free to criticize any statements.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/isi-...s-between-the-afghan-taliban/596258720453231/

How The TTP Was Created and Differences Between The Afghan Taliban
den 24 januari 2014 kl. 00:40
How The TTP Was Created and Differences Between The Afghan Taliban



Until the end of 2004, Baitullah Mehsud lived in the shadow of his daring and charismatic fellow tribesman, Abdullah Mehsud. Abdullah fought with the Afghan Taliban when he was taken captive by warlord Abdul Rashid Dostum who turned him over to American forces.



Abdullah Mehsud was sent to Camp Delta at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba and held for two years, insisting the whole time that he was just an innocent tribesman. In March 2004, for reasons which remain unclear, he was released by the Americans and sent to Afghanistan eventually returning to Pakistan in Waziristan.



Soon after his return, he orchestrated the kidnapping of two Chinese engineers working on a dam in his region, proclaiming that Beijing was guilty of "killing Muslims". He also ordered an attack on Pakistan’s Interior Minister in which 31 people perished.



The Afghan Taliban, who were in the process of organising themselves to fight the American occupation, were completely shocked when news broke of what Abdullah had done. Taliban leaders in Afghanistan warned him not to have a head-on confrontation with Pakistani forces. Intelligence analysts believe that these TTP's attacks on the Pakistani government, police and army strained relations between the newly formed Pakistani Taliban and the Afghan Taliban Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Omar asked the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan to stop attacks inside Pakistan, to change their focus as an organization and to fight ISAF forces in Afghanistan instead.



Abdullah Mehsud however chose to ignore the Afghan Taliban and instead helped Baitullah Mehsud form the new Pakistani Taliban.



The question we should all be asking ourselves is this:



1. What happened in those 2 years Abdullah Mehsud was at Guantanamo Bay?



2. Why was he released from Guantanamo Bay? To date, there are hundreds of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay who have been held without trial for more than 6 years. How was Abdullah Mehsud allowed to be released in just 2?



Please note :

1. Afghan Taliban who are anti-US but NOT anti-Pak.

2. Arabs fighters like Ayman Zawihiri who pretend to be pro-Afghan Taliban, but are pro-TTP and anti - Pakistan.

3. TTP, which claims to be pro-Afghan Taliban but in reality is CIA/RAW backed group and is anti-Pakistan.

4. Local militants commanders who keep on changing sides -- some times join TTP, sometimes cut peace deals with Pakistan, sometimes send few fighters to support Afghan Taliban. Hafiz Gul Bahadur is one of those.

5. Then there are criminals who have joined TTP and made their own groups and are fighting Pakistan. Mangal Bagh types criminals fall in this group.

6. Then there are Jalaluddin Haqqni group where young Siraj Haqqani's father Jalal uddin Haqqani is an old Mujahid and is pro-Pakistan but his son Siraj is more aggressive against Pakistan and close to Arabs of Zawihiri types and thus close to TTP also but he is also part of Afghan Taliban. It gets complicated here.

7. Mullah Omar is strongly against India, US and against TTP and is pro-Pak.

8. Hekmatyar is pro-Pak, anti-TTP and anti-Mullah Omer also Hekmatyar does not accept Mullah Omer as their leader.

9. Then there are Afghan national army, Black waters, CIA, RAW operating their own groups and terrorists for war against Pakistan.

So, when CIA kills Hakeem ullah, it can mean many things:



1. Hakeem wanted to start peace deals with Pak, hence killed by drone.

2. Hakeem had become a liability for CIA after Lateefullah was captured, hence had to be silenced.

3. Hakeem might be talking to Afghan Taliban for protection and support now when he knew that he will be killed by CIA and CIA came to know of this "betrayal" and thus killed him.



''47''

 

[GumNaam]

As fighters are Afghan Talibans on Monday, and TTP on Friday,
that is a real hollow argument.
The material for bombs can definitely been provided by Pakistani traitors,
on a Monday...

Here is a description by an unknown source.
Feel free to criticize any statements.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/isi-...s-between-the-afghan-taliban/596258720453231/

How The TTP Was Created and Differences Between The Afghan Taliban
den 24 januari 2014 kl. 00:40
How The TTP Was Created and Differences Between The Afghan Taliban



Until the end of 2004, Baitullah Mehsud lived in the shadow of his daring and charismatic fellow tribesman, Abdullah Mehsud. Abdullah fought with the Afghan Taliban when he was taken captive by warlord Abdul Rashid Dostum who turned him over to American forces.



Abdullah Mehsud was sent to Camp Delta at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba and held for two years, insisting the whole time that he was just an innocent tribesman. In March 2004, for reasons which remain unclear, he was released by the Americans and sent to Afghanistan eventually returning to Pakistan in Waziristan.



Soon after his return, he orchestrated the kidnapping of two Chinese engineers working on a dam in his region, proclaiming that Beijing was guilty of "killing Muslims". He also ordered an attack on Pakistan’s Interior Minister in which 31 people perished.



The Afghan Taliban, who were in the process of organising themselves to fight the American occupation, were completely shocked when news broke of what Abdullah had done. Taliban leaders in Afghanistan warned him not to have a head-on confrontation with Pakistani forces. Intelligence analysts believe that these TTP's attacks on the Pakistani government, police and army strained relations between the newly formed Pakistani Taliban and the Afghan Taliban Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Omar asked the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan to stop attacks inside Pakistan, to change their focus as an organization and to fight ISAF forces in Afghanistan instead.



Abdullah Mehsud however chose to ignore the Afghan Taliban and instead helped Baitullah Mehsud form the new Pakistani Taliban.



The question we should all be asking ourselves is this:



1. What happened in those 2 years Abdullah Mehsud was at Guantanamo Bay?



2. Why was he released from Guantanamo Bay? To date, there are hundreds of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay who have been held without trial for more than 6 years. How was Abdullah Mehsud allowed to be released in just 2?



Please note :

1. Afghan Taliban who are anti-US but NOT anti-Pak.

2. Arabs fighters like Ayman Zawihiri who pretend to be pro-Afghan Taliban, but are pro-TTP and anti - Pakistan.

3. TTP, which claims to be pro-Afghan Taliban but in reality is CIA/RAW backed group and is anti-Pakistan.

4. Local militants commanders who keep on changing sides -- some times join TTP, sometimes cut peace deals with Pakistan, sometimes send few fighters to support Afghan Taliban. Hafiz Gul Bahadur is one of those.

5. Then there are criminals who have joined TTP and made their own groups and are fighting Pakistan. Mangal Bagh types criminals fall in this group.

6. Then there are Jalaluddin Haqqni group where young Siraj Haqqani's father Jalal uddin Haqqani is an old Mujahid and is pro-Pakistan but his son Siraj is more aggressive against Pakistan and close to Arabs of Zawihiri types and thus close to TTP also but he is also part of Afghan Taliban. It gets complicated here.

7. Mullah Omar is strongly against India, US and against TTP and is pro-Pak.

8. Hekmatyar is pro-Pak, anti-TTP and anti-Mullah Omer also Hekmatyar does not accept Mullah Omer as their leader.

9. Then there are Afghan national army, Black waters, CIA, RAW operating their own groups and terrorists for war against Pakistan.

So, when CIA kills Hakeem ullah, it can mean many things:



1. Hakeem wanted to start peace deals with Pak, hence killed by drone.

2. Hakeem had become a liability for CIA after Lateefullah was captured, hence had to be silenced.

3. Hakeem might be talking to Afghan Taliban for protection and support now when he knew that he will be killed by CIA and CIA came to know of this "betrayal" and thus killed him.



''47''

Not a hollow argument at all given that the afghan taliban control 70% of afghanistan. if they had any pull on the ttp, they would've forced the ttp to help them fight the ana and nato and u.s. forces to take over the 30% left of afghanistan instead of wasting explosives in Pakistan. any attack in Pakistan does not help the cause of the afghan taliban in the least bit. its simple common sense.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Not a hollow argument at all given that the afghan taliban control 70% of afghanistan. if they had any pull on the ttp, they would've forced the ttp to help them fight the ana and nato and u.s. forces to take over the 30% left of afghanistan instead of wasting explosives in Pakistan. any attack in Pakistan does not help the cause of the afghan taliban in the least bit. its simple common sense.

As pointed out, people may attack Pakistan one day as TTP,
and then move to Afghanistan joining the Talibans attacking ANA.
Taliban top level have one agenda, TTP another agenda,
and low level move around.
When Pakistan provides training, funds and material to Afghan Talibans,
it may be used the next week to attack Pakistan, when the hats have been changed.

 

[GumNaam]

As pointed out, people may attack Pakistan one day as TTP,
and then move to Afghanistan joining the Talibans attacking ANA.
Taliban top level have one agenda, TTP another agenda,
and low level move around.
When Pakistan provides training, funds and material to Afghan Talibans,
it may be used the next week to attack Pakistan, when the hats have been changed.

the critical part that you are overlooking perhaps willingly that the one point agenda of the top afghan taliban itself. their one point agenda is to take over afghanistan and has nothing to do with Pakistan. We will continue to support them so long as their is an india trying to further its own agenda in afghanistan. what you call as the low level are the poor and illiterate ones who will fight and suicide bomb for anyone who pays them and that includes india and the indian backed ttp. you yourself said that the ttp has its own agenda. ttp's agenda has nothing to do with freeing afghanistan from foreign occupation but since they need that safe haven in afghanistan under afghan gov control, they know all too well that it is only a matter of time before the afghan taliban throw ttp's protectors out and take over and therefore they have to maintain some resemblance of friendliness towards the afghan taliban with the hopes of not getting thrown out. But not gonna happen. otherwise ttp's safe havens would've been in the afghan taliban controlled areas, not ghani controlled ones. And since the afghan taliban views the ttp with a great deal of suspicion, the ttpb finds a very natural ally in the new isil jokers. Don't forget, even the american general says that most of isil fighters come from the ttp and NOT from the afghan taliban.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

the critical part that you are overlooking perhaps willingly that the one point agenda of the top afghan taliban itself. their one point agenda is to take over afghanistan and has nothing to do with Pakistan. We will continue to support them so long as their is an india trying to further its own agenda in afghanistan. what you call as the low level are the poor and illiterate ones who will fight and suicide bomb for anyone who pays them and that includes india and the indian backed ttp. you yourself said that the ttp has its own agenda. ttp's agenda has nothing to do with freeing afghanistan from foreign occupation but since they need that safe haven in afghanistan under afghan gov control, they know all too well that it is only a matter of time before the afghan taliban throw ttp's protectors out and take over and therefore they have to maintain some resemblance of friendliness towards the afghan taliban with the hopes of not getting thrown out. But not gonna happen. otherwise ttp's safe havens would've been in the afghan taliban controlled areas, not ghani controlled ones. And since the afghan taliban views the ttp with a great deal of suspicion, the ttpb finds a very natural ally in the new isil jokers. Don't forget, even the american general says that most of isil fighters come from the ttp and NOT from the afghan taliban.

The Taliban wish to take over Afghanistan has everything to do with Pakistan.
The problem is that Pakistan has supported the Taliban since 1994.
Any support to TTP from Afghanis can be considered a reaction.
And if paid by non Pakistanis, still will use material and training
previously provided by Pakistan,

Innocent Pakistanis are thus sacrificed for Pakistans wish for influence over Pakistan.

 

[Zibago]

And while You are laughing, their friends are blowing up innocent Pakistanis,
and will continue, as long as traitors like You support terrorists.

The Afghan Taliban are supported in the countryside we can try but lets be real the incompetent administration in Kabul cant handle them its best if we talk to people who really controls Afghanistan
Ideally i would want a pro Pakistani democratic non Talibani govt in Afghanistan but it aint happening in my lifetime when even Afghan soldiers are seeking asylum

 

[tarrar]

There is absolutely no need for Afghan Taliban to talk with incompetent, corrupt & puppet dogs of US & India. Pakistan should continue its full support to Afghan Taliban.

 

[MultaniGuy]

The Taliban wish to take over Afghanistan has everything to do with Pakistan.
The problem is that Pakistan has supported the Taliban since 1994.
Any support to TTP from Afghanis can be considered a reaction.
And if paid by non Pakistanis, still will use material and training
previously provided by Pakistan,

Innocent Pakistanis are thus sacrificed for Pakistans wish for influence over Pakistan.

Afghan Taliban and TTP are not the same people.

Afghan Taliban is a national movement in Afghanistan.

TTP are bloody terrorists!

 

[50cent]

Afghan Taliban and TTP are not the same people.

Afghan Taliban is a national movement in Afghanistan.

TTP are bloody terrorists!

Good terroist bad terroist theory^^^. The snake which bite my neighbors is good while when same snake when it attack and bite me is bloody terroist

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Afghan Taliban and TTP are not the same people.

Afghan Taliban is a national movement in Afghanistan.

TTP are bloody terrorists!

No denying that TTP are terrorists, but so are the Afghan Taliban.
They are trying to assume control by force, and not by the wish of Afghanis.

The TTP leaders started off as Afghan Taliban.
The Afghan Talibans would have been nowhere without Pakistan support.
Pakistan material and training was thus the base for TTP.

With little control over what happens after stuff is provided to the Taliban,
Pakistan is supporting terror against itself.

Even if a group would attack both Afgani forces and Pakistan,
and material provided by Pakistan only would be used against Afghanistan,
the Pakistani support would free up other stuff,
that can be concentrated on attacks vs Pakistan.

So traitors like yourself fund indirectly the deaths of innocent Pakistanis.
Yesterday your tally was 75. How many more?