Afghanistan in 2015: problem for Iran?

[Shah9]

Pakistan and Iran is going to have a messy situation after 2014 once NATO limit its force in Afghanistan but even worse for Iran since Pakistan is acting like a pussy recently with TTP's negotiation and demands.

We all know Saudi Arabia and Pakistan supported Taliban during the 90s civil war then brought terror to our borders.

But this time is different where they are proxies in the Middle East and obviously we can see who opened the office in Doha and they know Karzai has warm ties with Iran and we supported the Northern Alliance so are they going to support Taliban on the 2nd civil again to bring up a government who will hate Iran?

How is Iran going to solve this after 2014?

 

[EyanKhan]

Pakistan has no enmity with Iran , the taliban we supported in the 90s was for a complete different reason not because they were anti-Iran.
Pakistan at the moment has its plate full and so does Iran instead of worrying about others both should worry about themselves.
Your talking as if the Afghan government has fallen and everything is over and that nothing was achieved in the last 11 years.

 

[OrionHunter]

If the US quits, then the equation would probably be:

Afghanistan + India + Russia + Iran + CAR + Northern Alliance Vs Pakistan + Saudi Arabia + China + Afghan Taliban + LeT (and assorted other militant groups) + some local warlords.

(However, it's difficult to say at this stage whether China would jump into the fray along with Pakistan).

 

[EyanKhan]

If the US quits, then the equation would probably be:

Afghanistan + India + Russia + Iran + CAR + Northern Alliance Vs Pakistan + Saudi Arabia + China + Afghan Taliban + LeT (and assorted other militant groups) + some local warlords.

(However, it's difficult to say at this stage whether China would jump into the fray along with Pakistan).

*sigh* and i presume his holiness can look into the future?

 

[OrionHunter]

*sigh* and i presume his holiness can look into the future?

Nope! Analysis and plain logic! Like 2+2=4

 

[EyanKhan]

Nope! Analysis and plain logic! Like 2+2=4

So much logic that it is oozing out

 

[Shah9]

Pakistan has no enmity with Iran , the taliban we supported in the 90s was for a complete different reason not because they were anti-Iran.
Pakistan at the moment has its plate full and so does Iran instead of worrying about others both should worry about themselves.
Your talking as if the Afghan government has fallen and everything is over and that nothing was achieved in the last 11 years.

Without Northern Alliance, on Iran's side would be Pak-Afg border version but less presence.

And becaue of you going soft on those cavemen who still exist on your soil, there is no reason to make excuses when Pakistan and TTP is making offers and demands, I mean go look at current affairs section and see how the majority of the members go soft with the demands and opinions.

History repeat itself, Saudis will support the Afghan Taliban again secretly to overthrow an Afghan government who maintained their ties with Iran because of the "proxy war".

 

[acid rain]

Pakistan and Iran is going to have a messy situation after 2014 once NATO limit its force in Afghanistan but even worse for Iran since Pakistan is acting like a pussy recently with TTP's negotiation and demands.

We all know Saudi Arabia and Pakistan supported Taliban during the 90s civil war then brought terror to our borders.

But this time is different where they are proxies in the Middle East and obviously we can see who opened the office in Doha and they know Karzai has warm ties with Iran and we supported the Northern Alliance so are they going to support Taliban on the 2nd civil again to bring up a government who will hate Iran?

How is Iran going to solve this after 2014?

The recent developing situation is a worrying prospect for Iran and for all of Pakistan's neighbors as well. A simple overview suggests that GOP is legitimising the terror groups and are pushing them towards sparing Pakistan from attacks.. But the same terror groups are enemies of Afg, Iran, India and China. Pakistan in their talks are only concerned about their safety and as an extension will give them a free hand in conducting their other activities like attacks on shias, attacks in Afg, attacks on India, drugs and weapons smuggling etc.

 

[F117]

The Saudis will definitely want a Taliban ruled Afghanistan, so they can have a launching pad to attack Iran or cause trouble for us.

However, the situation has changed compared to the 90s. Today there are rebel groups inside Pakistan that want to overthrow the state and install Sharia law.

The biggest reason the Taliban were able to conquer Afghanistan quickly was because Pakistani soldiers were fighting alongside them, and they also gave trucks, artillery, spare parts, training, advising etc.

Now with the TTP and other militants who are allied with the Afghan Taliban, I don't see them doing that.

I think there will be a stalemate in the future, after foreign forces have left.

 

[ای ایران]

How is Iran going to solve this after 2014?

Iran doesnt have to solve anything, Afghans have to solve their own problems and fix their own country. All Iran can do is support trade and development in Afghanistan. Iran shouldnt get involved in their business unless they ask for it or if civil war breaks out. Anything else, Afghans need to take care of themselves. If they cant, then Afghanistan should be left alone to its fate of being a failed state.

For 12 years Afghans have been sucking the blood dry from Western donor countries that have rebuilt Kabul for them and other cities, yet Afghans still have nothing to show for themselves and are 100% dependant on the foreigners and occupation forces for stopping them from killing each other and ruining what the West has rebuilt for them.

Unlike Iraq, Afghans had already destroyed Kabul and the rest of their country themselves before the Americans even had heard of the Taliban. But like true ingrates and true to the reputation of being one of the top most backwards and corrupt countries on Earth, they dont take any responsibilities for their own failures and just blame it all on foreigners and foreign conspiracies. Nowadays even Hamid Karzai has lost his mind too and bites the hand that has fed him for over a decade.

Afghanistan is just corrupt to the core. It is better that everybody withdraws from Afghanistan and let them solve their own problems, or perish trying. The American experiment of 'nation building' has failed.

Only Pakistanis and Indians are desperate to involve themselves there and squabble with each other over Afghanistan for God knows what reason. Everybody else with any sense wants to get out of Afghanistan and stay away from them as far as possible.

 

[Irajgholi]

we have to support our afghan brothers to get back on their feet, if we dont do anything to help them they will fall into traps of the enemies.

 

[Abii]

we have to support our afghan brothers to get back on their feet, if we dont do anything to help them they will fall into traps of the enemies.

Afghan shias can easily be bought out, and that's the only option. Afghanistan is doomed to fail and fall back into civil war sooner or later. Americans can be there for a thousands years, the pashtuns will still be pashtuns. Their pashtuns are bat shit fucked up crazy and the Pakistanis are willing to destroy their country by supporting them. The saudis don't have to try very hard. Pakistan and the bat shit crazy part of the Afghan population can be bought out in an instant as they're already radicalized.

Afghan shias, even though they are actual humans and not wild beasts like their cousins in Southern AFG, are still pretty radical. If we were able to create a mighty proxy in Lebanon, we can create an even bigger proxy in Afghanistan (no language barrier, historical and religious ties can be used to brainwash the shia population, transportation of goods and services will cost very little, lack of a central government can be used for our advantage, creating division among different tribes could not be easier...).

 

[Surenas]

Afghan shias, even though they are actual humans and not wild beasts like their cousins in Southern AFG, are still pretty radical. If we were able to create a mighty proxy in Lebanon, we can create an even bigger proxy in Afghanistan (no language barrier, historical and religious ties can be used to brainwash the shia population, transportation of goods and services will cost very little, lack of a central government can be used for our advantage, creating division among different tribes could not be easier...).

We can, definitely, but since they are no Arabs, our government wouldn't do it. They like to give free money to Palestinians and Lebanese, while completely forget about our Eastern borders and brothers.

 

[SinaG]

@Abii I believe there are only 2-3 million Shias in Afghanistan and most of them are Hazaras. A better idea would be to support the Sunni Persians (Tajiks) in Afghanistan, who are a lot more liberal then Sunni Pashtuns. It would also help us guarantee a route to Tajikistan in the future.

 

[Hakan]

Nope! Analysis and plain logic! Like 2+2=4

Actually 2+2=5.

Faced with this profound and bewildering foundational question of the value of 2 + 2, mathematicians followed the reasonable course of action: they just ignored the whole thing. And so everyone reverted to 2 + 2 = 4 with nothing being done with its rival equation during the 20th century. There had been rumors that Bourbaki was planning to devote a volume to 2 + 2 = 5 (the first forty pages taken up by the symbolic expression for the number five), but those rumor remained unconfirmed. Recently, though, there have been reported computer-assisted proofs that 2 + 2 = 5, typically involving computers belonging to utility companies. Perhaps the 21st century will see yet another revival of this historic equation.