Afghanistan - A hotbed for racism against Pakistan

[Samurai_assassin]

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This is the so called professional army of Afghanistan while attacking a Pakistani village on Chaman border this friday.
Betwen 1790 and 1830 the Afghans were invaded by Sikh Punjabi hoards of "Sarkaar Khalsa" Sikh empire. The sikh soldiers in those days were majority vegetarian and carried dried pulses or "daal" as main ration.
For Afghans of that era being vgetarian and totally surviving on dried pulses was unheard of and baffled them. Hence the term "Daal Khor" was coined for Sikh Punjabi hoards.
Afghan ignorant pea sized brain is stll stuck in 1790 and they still callthe "Muslim Punjabi" of Pakistan "Daal Khor" as a gesture of hate and despise as their ancestors used to do for Sikhs.
It's another thing that Muslim Punjabis of Pakistan are not vegetarians and probably eat more mat than Afghans. The Sikh Killed a milion Muslim Punjabis and displaced more than 3 million in 1947 and they have nothing to do with thewars of Sarkar Khalsa and Afghan rulers. But for the hateful ignorant Afghani even today any Punjabi is the same who fought teir ancstors some 150 years ago and a "Daal Khor".

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Some Sikhs are well conditioned battle hardened people especially the Nihang Sikhs who live and practice Gatka.

 

[Mian Babban]

Apparently, it always has been a foreign term for Pashtuns and is the Farsi term for them. I have heard that 'Afghan' turns to 'Awghan' or 'Apghan' in Pashto as the letter f(fay) is not native to it.
Similar to how Turks would refer to every Farsi speaker in Khorasan as 'Tazi'(which actually meant Arab) which would later form to Tajik and the Tajik identity was created.

May be. But ancient Indians in the east and Chinese have also used variations of word Afghan and in my opinion it is a native word. Turks have also used this term for us. So i dont think this word is coined by Persians (there is legend that it is derived from Farsi word 'A O Faghan' (lamenting) , so thats why its generally assumed that its a Farsi word. The story tellers of the past used to create baseless stories like this. I dont recall the name of one medieval source which says that Afghan means brave. They must have been introducing themselves as Afghans to outsiders/foreigners. But its also true that we prefer to call ourselves Pashtun/Pakhtun.

P.S: Original word is Awghan, and it changed into Afghan with time.....and our people indeed have hard time saying words with f , we turns f into p, we say 'puwara' instead of 'fuwara'

 

[xairhossi]

May be. But ancient Indians in the east and Chinese have also used variations of word Afghan and in my opinion it is a native word. Turks have also used this term for us. So i dont think this word is coined by Persians (there is legend that it is derived from Farsi word 'A O Faghan' (lamenting) , so thats why its generally assumed that its a Farsi word. The story tellers of the past used to create baseless stories like this. I dont recall the name of one medieval source which says that Afghan means brave. They must have been introducing themselves as Afghans to outsiders/foreigners. But its also true that we prefer to call ourselves Pashtun/Pakhtun.

P.S: Original word is Awghan, and it changed into Afghan with time.....and our people indeed have hard time saying words with f , we turns f into p, we say 'puwara' instead of 'fuwara'

It is said that the Karlani tribes living mostly in KPK didn't have a strong sense of qaumiyat and would identify by tribe first rather than Pashtun.
"Sir Olaf was greatly impressed by Pashtun culture during his tenure with the British government in British India.But he was especially intrigued by Karlani tribes.These were the tribes that were not subjected to rule by foreigners, these are the ones that refer to themselves by tribe rather then by race. For example "Mu Bangash, Mung Afridi, Mizh Wazir, Mizh Mahsud (We Bangash, We Afridi, We Wazir/Mahsud) etc. Instead of " Mung Pukhtana' (We Pathans). They speak the harder dialect of Pashto.(Although the dialects differ by region even among themselves).They predominantly inhabit the hills and are occasionally called hill tribes."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlani

Sometimes, in Punjabi as well the f sounds would turn into ph (پھ) sounds like fun=phun, foran=phoran etc.
'fay' sound isnt native to any Indo-Iranian language perhaps.

Some Sikhs are well conditioned battle hardened people especially the Nihang Sikhs who live and practice Gatka.

Gatka is also popular in Punjab, Pakistan especially at village fairs.

 

[django]

Countries are not permanent but i think Afghans and Afghanistan are remarkably tenacious. Not a single separatist uprising in their modern history.

For all intents and purposes Afghanistan has been split based on ethnic lines, ask those Pashtun settlers in the North who were brutally expelled from Uzbek areas by Dostum, could give many other examples Mr Samandri!

 

[Kabira]

Countries are not permanent but i think Afghans and Afghanistan are remarkably tenacious. Not a single separatist uprising in their modern history.

When one look at Afghanistan, ethnic unity is last thing which comes to mind. Let civil war end and Afghanistan become stable for the first time in modern history then you will see rise of separatist movements. There are already signs of that but American funding is preventing it, Abdullah and Ghani standoff comes to mind.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

I have worked in education and met many Afghan refugees. most were of average height slim build with a light/ light brown completion. I've only met two Afghans (Pashtuns) who were well above 6'foot tall with a strong muscular build. I don't understand why Afghans brag so much claiming Pakistanis are weak because they consume Daal. No doubt daal is amoungst our dishes as well as lamb Chicken beef etc. The people that stand out in strong physical appearance are northern punjabis mainly from the Gujjur community.

 

[Pakistani E]

Where are these brave soldiers when firefights starts with the Taliban?? Why do they jump up and down and start pointing their weapons at the sky and shoot with their eyes closed? Why are Afghan soldiers so unfit that they can't keep up with basic PT in the field? Why do they feel the need to sit down every twenty minutes and start smoking?

It's nearly impossible to teach an Afghan "soldier" any form of discipline at all. The moment NATO etc leaves, these fellas will resort to their national past time of killing each other. Who will they blame then?

 

[Spring Onion]

Where are these brave soldiers when firefights starts with the Taliban?? Why do they jump up and down and start pointing their weapons at the sky and shoot with their eyes closed? Why are Afghan soldiers so unfit that they can't keep up with basic PT in the field? Why do they feel the need to sit down every twenty minutes and start smoking?

It's nearly impossible to teach an Afghan "soldier" any form of discipline at all. The moment NATO etc leaves, these fellas will resort to their national past time of killing each other. Who will they blame then?

Pakistan who else.

 

[Pakistani E]

Pakistan who else.

I don't know why Pakistan bothers so much about other countries. Seems like people in Pakistan all have a duty to save other people in Afghanistan or Bangladesh. No one seems to care when Pakistanis die at the hands of each other.

 

[Spring Onion]

I don't know why Pakistan bothers so much about other countries. Seems like people in Pakistan all have a duty to save other people in Afghanistan or Bangladesh. No one seems to care when Pakistanis die at the hands of each other.

Pakistan and Pakistani are special species simple as that.

I do not know when there was Afghanistan in our neighbours and when there is and was talk of strength and power if we did not separated, even then Pakistan was created .
We are a very strong nation in a sense that despite being pushed into quagmire since many decades we still are optimistic.

 

[krash]

Literal meaning of Dhalkhor is pulse-eater but its actually a derogatory word of Afghans for Hindus due to vegetarian habits of the latter. They are basically insulting Pakistanis (of any ethnicity) by calling them Hindus

I know, hence finding it funny.

 

[Mian Babban]

It is said that the Karlani tribes living mostly in KPK didn't have a strong sense of qaumiyat and would identify by tribe first rather than Pashtun.
"Sir Olaf was greatly impressed by Pashtun culture during his tenure with the British government in British India.But he was especially intrigued by Karlani tribes.These were the tribes that were not subjected to rule by foreigners, these are the ones that refer to themselves by tribe rather then by race. For example "Mu Bangash, Mung Afridi, Mizh Wazir, Mizh Mahsud (We Bangash, We Afridi, We Wazir/Mahsud) etc. Instead of " Mung Pukhtana' (We Pathans). They speak the harder dialect of Pashto.(Although the dialects differ by region even among themselves).They predominantly inhabit the hills and are occasionally called hill tribes."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlani

Sometimes, in Punjabi as well the f sounds would turn into ph (پھ) sounds like fun=phun, foran=phoran etc.
'fay' sound isnt native to any Indo-Iranian language perhaps.


Gatka is also popular in Punjab, Pakistan especially at village fairs.

Olaf Caroe wrote a very good book but his categorizations puzzled me to be honest........for example his divisions of Pakhtuns into Afghan and Pathan, that Yousafzais are Afghans and Karlanries are Pathan.....na sar na koi pair....there was a member here who was strongly insisting that tribes of FATA call themselves Pathan instead of Pashtun and he would refer me to Olaf Caroe. For this Caroe has been severely criticized by all the prominent Pashto scholars. The most prominent being Dost Muhammad Kamil Mohmand who wrote an entire book in which he corrected the mistakes of Caroe. @DESERT FIGHTER

The present-day FATA has tribes from almost all the confederations of Pashtuns, Karlanries and Sarbanis being dominant. In the upper FATA, Sarbani tribes like Tarklanri and Mohmands live who are kin of Yousafzais. Shinwaris of Khyber Pass are also Sarabans but they are branch of Kasi tribe of Quetta. Afridis, Orakzais, Mangal, Bangash, Wazirs, Dawars and Mehsuds being Karlanries. Sulieman Khels and Dotanis of South Waziristan being Bettanis. While Safis of Mohmand agency being Ghurghushtis. The tribalism is very strong in hill tribes and thats why they are called tribal areas.

For all intents and purposes Afghanistan has been split based on ethnic lines, ask those Pashtun settlers in the North who were brutally expelled from Uzbek areas by Dostum, could give many other examples Mr Samandri!

Yet no separatist uprising. Watch this to understand Afghanistan better

 

[django]

Yet no separatist uprising. Watch this to understand Afghanistan better

It has all but split officially, Kabul has no writ anywhere, it is all local fiefdoms, no practical need for separatist movement as in reality they split long ago.kudos Samandri

 

[Mian Babban]

kudos Samandri

Address me as Babban

 

[django]

Address me as Babban

As you wish Mr Mian Babban!