Afghan War: News & Update Mega Thread

[rambro]

They had it coming as they werent there for nation building but as invading looters etc.

 

[Goritoes]

I think its all you lying cheating deceiving Americans who got fooled by AIPAC that's you are free and forced into invading countries where you practiced rape torture rendition flights and forced UN resolutions making you whiter than white ...

Remember mullah Omars promise to your Bush that victory will be God's....where is Bush...

Shame on you...shame on the armies of the world and most of all the world laughs at your military might...ragheads win and hillbillies inbreds lose..

Have a nice day .... continue name calling ....LOSER

I think you quote the wrong person.

 

[Protest_again]

Swift Taliban takeover leaves U.S. image in tatters

• Aug 16, 2021

WASHINGTON – After two decades in Afghanistan, America’s longest war was ending with the image of the United States in tatters.

With the swift collapse Sunday of the government in Kabul, the 20th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks that triggered the U.S. invasion will be marked with the Taliban back in control of Afghanistan, despite a cost to the United States of nearly 2,500 lives and more than $2 trillion.

To some observers, the debacle following the withdrawal of U.S. troops will inevitably weaken the United States on the global stage at a time when President Joe Biden was speaking of rallying democracies in the face of a rising China.

“America’s credibility as an ally is diminished because of the way the Afghan government was abandoned beginning with the Doha talks,” said Husain Haqqani, Pakistan’s former ambassador to the United States, referring to the deal last year in the Qatari capital with the Taliban in which the United States set a pullout timeline.

Haqqani, now a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, noted how U.S. diplomats in the end could do little more than send tweets urging the Taliban to stop.

“That envoys of the mightiest nation on Earth can be duped as they were in Doha, and its leaders ignored so easily as they have been in the final days, will encourage others to engage in duplicitous diplomacy,” Haqqani said.

Biden faced heated criticism that the withdrawal was mismanaged, with the United States racing to evacuate its sprawling embassy just a month after he played down fears the Afghan government would crumble quickly.

“It is going to have ramifications not just for Afghanistan,” said Rep. Liz Cheney, a Republican hawk.

“America’s adversaries know they can threaten us, and our allies are questioning this morning whether they can count on us for anything,” she said in an ABC interview.

Mixed message to China
The Biden administration is quick to point out that former President Donald Trump negotiated the Doha deal on the withdrawal and that a majority of the U.S. public favors ending “forever wars.”

Trump has repeatedly put the blame on his successor, however, calling for him to resign on Sunday “in disgrace for what he has allowed to happen to Afghanistan.”

“What Joe Biden has done with Afghanistan is legendary. It will go down as one of the greatest defeats in American history!” he said in an earlier Sunday statement.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken, also speaking on ABC, said the United States had “succeeded” in its primary mission of bringing justice to the al-Qaida perpetrators of the Sept. 11 attacks.

“It’s also true that there’s nothing that our strategic competitors around the world would like more than to see us bogged down in Afghanistan for another five, 10 or 20 years. That is not in the national interest,” Blinken said.

China, which the Biden administration sees as the nation’s pre-eminent challenge, has already rhetorically pounced, with the nationalistic state-run Global Times publishing an analysis saying Afghanistan showed Washington to be an “unreliable partner that always abandons its partners or allies to seek self-interest.”

But Richard Fontaine, chief executive officer of the Center for a New American Security, said it was simplistic to think that China would be emboldened, for example, to move on Taiwan, a self-ruling democracy claimed by Beijing that depends on U.S. weapons.

China may instead see the high cost that the United States is willing to pay in exiting Afghanistan as a sign of seriousness in shifting to the Pacific, Fontaine said.

But Fontaine, who opposed the withdrawal, said the United States was taking major risks by effectively ceding Afghanistan to the Taliban, who never formally broke with al-Qaida.

“Now that it looks like the Taliban will be running the country, I think the chances of a terrorist threat are pretty high,” he said.

“If that’s the case, it could well increase distraction from our focus on the bigger strategic challenges in China.”


New era on military?
Some policymakers argued for maintaining a residual force of some 2,500 troops in Afghanistan, but Biden decided the war was over and he should not risk further U.S. lives.

Trita Parsi, executive vice president of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, which supports U.S. military restraint, said the ones who have now lost credibility are advocates for a continued war.

“When you see that the whole thing falls apart in nine days, this was nothing more than a house of cards,” Parsi said.

He hoped the withdrawal would help end the view, in Washington but also among allies, that the U.S. military should be the first resort.

“Perhaps some of the external pressures on the United States to act as if it is the answer to everything in the world will reduce.”

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Democracies by nature are unreliable as allies. Their involvement tends to sway by the mood of the public and internal politics. All countries are out their for themselves. Relying on others is foolish.

 

[imadul]

Bigger than a VICTORY..
History has turned a corner.
All US and European Media has paralyzed and Biden under most severe firestorm.
India's 20 years hard investment to disable Pakistan and thus completely dissolving Kashmir has evaporated in 20 days.
Quad wont save India from a TWO-FRONT war.

 

[hualushui]

American forces should only die for their homeland and country, not in fights of others, civil wars or opium wars , or regional conflicts.

Meaningless nonsense.
Is the US invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq for the Afghans and Iraqis?

 

[Goritoes]

Meaningless nonsense.
Is the US invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq for the Afghans and Iraqis?

What is nonsense ? that Americans should only fight for their homeland? Do you even understand my post? I want Americans not to fight in others wars or conflicts..

 

[Clutch]

Seriously how is this victory of Taliban over US?

Make a Bollywood movie about your version of reality.

 

[Baby Leone]

Political Victory and to a extent Military, but the latter is open for discussion. It depends on which definition of Victory you are subscribing for.

US got the same kinda victory Indians are feeded by their hindutva govt about their victory against Pakistan in all wars including 27 Feb 2019 dog fight

America just provided money. It has no bone in the game. Dollar is cheap for America, they just need to print it. It's unfortunate that Afghans lost to terrorists.

phul sapport sarrrrrrrr

 

[hualushui]

Yeah, but I don't remember Bush saying getting rid of the Taliban and doing nation-building when he announced the reasons for the Afghan invasion. I only heard attacking Al-Quaeda and any Afghan military support for them.

Scope creep.

But American soldier fled Afghanistan like a wet dog

What is nonsense ? that Americans should only fight for their homeland? Do you even understand my post? I want Americans not to fight in others wars or conflicts..

I'm mocking you

 

[Cash GK]

I'd rather have bad US image about a war which costs thousands of American lives and trillions of dollars gone to waste, US made the right decision and world can and must suck it up to it. American forces should only die for their homeland and country, not in fights of others, civil wars or opium wars , or regional conflicts.

Agree. Every country must stay with in their limits and every men Must fight for their own nation not to occupy other countries and die there uselessly for Politicians and weapon makers.every country as self respect n they have right to self determination.

 

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[SQ8]

@Windjammer it is very much being seen in this light and especially by the veterans who see their entire efforts essentially wasted.

 

[master_13]

Do not forget Soviet and China trained Iraq. Re: Desert Storm.

china never even trained Iraqis, in fact, China and Iraq weren't even friends when US invaded.

 

[Trango Towers]

The Afghan Embassy in India sent out a tweet calling Afghan President Ashraf Ghani a 'traitor' who 'screwed and f---ed everything up'

In a now-deleted tweet, the official account of the Afghan Embassy said Ghani's legacy "will be a stain on our history."

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The Afghan Embassy in India sent out a tweet calling Afghan President Ashraf Ghani a 'traitor' who 'screwed and f---ed everything up'
Cheryl Teh
Mon, 16 August 2021, 4:01 am·2-min read
FILE PHOTO: Afghanistan's President Ashraf Ghani speaks during a news conference in Kabul, Afghanistan March 1, 2020. REUTERS/Omar Sobhani
Afghanistan's President Ashraf Ghani speaks during a news conference in Kabul. Reuters
In a now-deleted tweet, the Afghan Embassy in India called President Ashraf Ghani a "traitor."

"He screwed and f---ed everything up," read the tweet.

Ghani fled his presidential palace in Kabul on Sunday in the midst of a Taliban takeover of Kabul.

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The Afghan Embassy in India tweeted harsh criticism of the country's President Ashraf Ghani, who fled his palace in Kabul on Sunday leaving the city vulnerable for a Taliban takeover.

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Ghani left Afghanistan for Tajikistan while Taliban fighters entered Kabul, Afghanistan's capital and its largest city. The Taliban is now set to formally retake power in the country and rename it the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, following the withdrawal of American troops and a hurried evacuation of US diplomats.

Insider saw a now-deleted tweet from the Embassy's official Twitter account posted at around 7.30 p.m. on August 15, which read: "We are all banging our heads in shame. Ghani Baba @ashrafghani fled with his crooks."

"He screwed and f---ed everything up. We apologize to everyone for serving the fugitive. May Allah punish the traitor! His legacy will be a stain on our history," the tweet continued.

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Ghani, an academic and economist who became president in 2014, made a post on Facebook on August 15 saying that leaving Afghanistan was a "hard choice."

"Should I stand to face the armed Taliban entering the palace or leave the dear country that I dedicated my life to protecting and protecting the past twenty years? If there were still countless countrymen martyred, and if we should face the destruction and destruction of Kabul city, the result would have been a disaster in this city of six million," Ghani wrote.

He added that to avoid a "flood of blood," he "thought it was best to get out."

"The Taliban have won the judgment of swords and guns. Now they are responsible for protecting our countrymen's honor, wealth, and self-esteem," Ghani wrote on Facebook.

The Afghan embassy in India did not immediately respond to a request for comment from Insider.

Afghanistan is currently in a maelstrom of chaos, with thousands of people swarming the airport in Kabul in a desperate bid to leave the country.

In the meantime, the US is completing its withdrawal from the embattled country, having removed the US flag from its embassy in Kabul. The US had maintained troop presence in Afghanistan since 2001.

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LOOOOOOOL ....OH THE IRONY

 

[Jazzbot]

The afghan embassy in India conveyed exactly how Indians are feeling right now.