Afghan peace process cannot be Pakistan driven: India

[Aslan]

You seriously overestimate your diplomatic prowess or your hold over Afghanistan ..other than that we Indians have got use to your sermons predicting .."what is to happen in near future"..but funnily enough that future remains as elusive as ever.

PS : Afghan affairs is not synonymous with pakistan affairs.

What ever you say boss, but the only problem with your thinking is that you probably forget that there is another country between yours and Afghanistan. And yes that country matters more then what your krishna thinks and what he is trying to sell people at home.

 

[ares]

Dude stop acting like the father of all Afghans, how can you so confidently say what they think and what they dont. U need to cut back on the amount of indian news channel you watch. It will help you!

If you are referring to my comments the " attitude Afghans detest"

It is basic human tendency .. after all you too will detest if your neighbors started dictating term to you and started interfering in your internal affairs or bilateral affairs with another country...or won't you.

 

[Spring Onion]

Ya thats the attitude Afghans detest ..you think you will be able to dictate terms to them?

Are you naive enough not to understand the realities in geo-politics and the region ?

Nobody can dictate anyone over anything but their own interests that dictate everyone.

In this case the peace can only prevail when NON-Players keep themselves where they should be and India is one of these non-players.

Please do try to understand how and where your interests clash with the players in the region which will keep you on your toes forever specially with your new found love with US

 

[ares]

What ever you say boss, but the only problem with your thinking is that you probably forget that there is another country between yours and Afghanistan. And yes that country matters more then what your krishna thinks and what he is trying to sell people at home.

Yes Pakistan matters but not nearly enough ..if you think there survival depends on your wishes..there are other global and regional players who can substitute you.

 

[Aslan]

If you are referring to my comments the " attitude Afghans detest"

It is basic human tendency .. after all you too will detest if your neighbors started dictating term to you and started interfering in your internal affairs or bilateral affairs with another country...or won't you.

Well we already have one it starts with an I and ends with an A the field is all yours to play with.

Now coming back to the Afghans and the Pakistanis. You indians need a big time reality check, a lesson in Afghanistan Pakistan relations something like a "Afghanistan Pakistan relation on a people to people level 101". Or that class can be provided to you by some people on this forum and on this thread its self who live among the Afghans on a day to day basis. And they will be able to tell you what the common Afghan thinks of us Pakistanis, but how can you guys be so sure about it. We Pakistanis and most of us want a peaceful Afghanistan, something that will help us. But your country wants to use it for her own agenda, and that is what we are worried about. You have done it in the past and we cant trust you with it any more. And thats the bottom line.

 

[Spring Onion]

You seriously overestimate your diplomatic prowess or your hold over Afghanistan ..other than that we Indians have got use to your sermons predicting .."what is to happen in near future"..but funnily enough that future remains as elusive as ever.

PS : Afghan affairs is not synonymous with pakistan affairs.

forget about diplomatic prowess as we dont have any diplomatic prowess since here in our region of Afpak realities matters not diplomatic prowess and what realities are we know better than you bhartis sitting in a country where you dont know about realities in other corners of your own country.


PS: bharti delusion officials bringing Pakistan into to their frustrated statements viz a viz Afghanistan makes it very much Pakistani affair.

Its the Afghanistan and Pakistan that would decide about our role NOT bhartis.

former Afghan President Rabbani along with a delegation recently visited Pakistan, other developments are also taking place so we know where exactly we are going. Its India who should come up with a clear stand.

Your eggs in US basket are already dash to ground . Now you need a new basket

 

[Aslan]

Yes Pakistan matters but not nearly enough ..if you think there survival depends on your wishes..there are other global and regional players who can substitute you.

How many times I have to tell you indians that Afghanistan is not a play ground where you are playing games. Come on people and no and for the last time no you cant disconnect Pakistan from Afghanistan, and vice versa. That dont mean we want to control every thing in Afghanistan, but that is what the GOI is trying to do to have a gov that will favor them so they can pressure Pakistan from both the sides. But you cant see that after you are an indian.

 

[Spring Onion]

Yes Pakistan matters but not nearly enough ..if you think there survival depends on your wishes..there are other global and regional players who can substitute you.

sure they can substitute us we dont mind that.

and its not matter of survival its mutual sharing.

if we go by your logic then your thinking about the BD also needs a overhaul badly

 

[Desert Fox]

That was thirty years ago. And pakistan didn't do it out of a holy feeling of brootherhood...there were lots of US dollars involved. Right now, the afghan people, having been released from the shackles of extremist tyranny are looking towards the Indian brothers to create a democratic and stable afghanistan that will create new prosperity for all. they love the selfless love and affection of the Indian people and want to march towards a new dawn of glorious and prosperous existance.

indian brothers???? lol, i don't think you want to know what Afghans really think of you indians!

never mind, i wont disturb your wet dreams!


I remember i was on a Afghan forum once and the racist language they used to describe you indians .......

 

[Spring Onion]

How many times I have to tell you indians that Afghanistan is not a play ground where you are playing games. Come on people and no and for the last time no you cant disconnect Pakistan from Afghanistan, and vice versa. That dont mean we want to control every thing in Afghanistan, but that is what the GOI is trying to do to have a gov that will favor them so they can pressure Pakistan from both the sides. But you cant see that after you are an indian.

bhartis will only understand when we Pukhtuns will check their troops on this "playground" for their delusional thinking.

No one can have a Govt in Afghanistan that will favour ONLY ONE country.

A broad based Govt is what needed there that will have a balanced policy.

One thing which is very very clear is that all players want US/NATO out of the region and thats where Indian policies are clashing with everyone in the region as India wants to ride on US/NATO back which is not possible for too long.

 

[ares]

Are you naive enough not to understand the realities in geo-politics and the region ?

Nobody can dictate anyone over anything but their own interests that dictate everyone.

Absolutely correct ..and when confronted with a bigger more powerful neighbour it is Afghan interest to have an Indian counterweight to counterbalance pakistan ..just like Pakistan uses China to counterbalance India.
Its is basic survival instinct..you can't beat it.

In this case the peace can only prevail when NON-Players keep themselves where they should be and India is one of these non-players.

Unfortunately for you..it is not upto you to decide..who the players and non players are ..right now it is America who decides and after that it will upto Afghans.

Please do try to understand how and where your interests clash with the players in the region which will keep you on your toes forever specially with your new found love with US

Yes

Only country our interests clash with is pakistan....As far as Afghanistan is concerned Indian, Afghan and western interests are perfect alignment...you are odd one out.

 

[Aslan]

Any ways I feeling sleepy off to bed take care all. Will talk tom.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Absolutely correct ..and when confronted with a bigger more powerful neighbour it is Afghan interest to have an Indian counterweight to counterbalance pakistan ..just like Pakistan uses China to counterbalance India.
Its is basic survival instinct..you can't beat it

Next time dont run to turkey or KSA requesting them to negotiate with Pakistan.....also Pakistan has never used china as a counterbalance for anything......... ur history is pathetically weak.

Unfortunately for you..it is not upto you to decide..who the players and non players are ..right now it is America who decides and after that it will upto Afghans.

Remember how we sidelined u from london summit on afghanistan?Without us USA cant win in Afg we r the most important player in afg.

Only country our interests clash with is pakistan...

Yeah spreading terrorism using afg soil.

As far as Afghanistan is concerned Indian, Afghan and western interests are perfect alignment...you are odd one out.

Wat interests? u have no links to afg.... ur just trying to force urself into our regional politics........ nd ur bound to fail..

 

[ares]

forget about diplomatic prowess as we dont have any diplomatic prowess since here in our region of Afpak realities matters not diplomatic prowess and what realities are we know better than you bhartis sitting in a country where you dont know about realities in other corners of your own country.


PS: bharti delusion officials bringing Pakistan into to their frustrated statements viz a viz Afghanistan makes it very much Pakistani affair.

Its the Afghanistan and Pakistan that would decide about our role NOT bhartis.

former Afghan President Rabbani along with a delegation recently visited Pakistan, other developments are also taking place so we know where exactly we are going. Its India who should come up with a clear stand.

Your eggs in US basket are already dash to ground . Now you need a new basket

Again you are overestimating your ability to interfere in Afghan affairs ..you think this new Afghanistan government will eat out of your hands ..but all the indication point otherwise.
PS : If you think US basket has crashed..you are underestimating United States.

 

[Desert Fox]

Pakistan can thrash everywhere or throw a fit for all we care ..India will remain in Afghanistan as long as Afghans or Indians want it.

Seems like we are moving in right direction

"Will not do anything detrimental to India's interest: Karzai"

wow, so your taking Karzai's words seriously? i heard that he's known as the mayor of Kabul because he has not control beyond the city (which BTW is heavily guarded and barracked by NATO troops)!

The average Afghan considers karzai a puppet and hate him! So if india supports karzai then its going against the will of the Afghans!

So much for "we want the Afghans to decide their future" lol