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I don't why so many people say America deserted the Taliban when the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan, cause those Taliban were then most likely in their diapers. The only one who have deserted the Taliban are the Pakistani government and the Saudi's who withdrew their support after 9-11, because they were feeling the heat.



Afghan children were dying because of wars and mismanagement the Afghans themselves conducted



Who was investing in the statues? Source? Why wouldn't they, if it's true?



That's what the Taliban said. To get some public support on their stand. This a classical example of propaganda. Even if it was true, why destroy objects which mean a lot to so many people who have nothing to regarding the situation of the Afghan children?



Why not? Who are you to judge the sentiments of others? It's okay for you to judge other people's feelings, but when some dumb Americans hurt your own sentiments, they should have taken that into account? Isn't that hypocritical?

On the side note, it doesn't seem that honorable that captured Taliban used Qurans to send hidden messages and codes to fellow inmates. If the Taliban were doing that, as the Americans have claimed, they themselves have mistreated the Quran, by turning their holy book into a tool of deceit. Yet the Taliban seem to have no problem with this act.




Of course they were clueless. Why would cultural barbarians not be surprised, giving the fact that their world view and their concept of man is limited to their narrow minded and rigid interpretation of Islam?

In fact, Afghanistan had would have had a shining future under Taliban. One of the world's highest rates of infant and child mortality, worst track records regarding women rights, starving their own people because they would refuse to take food from the UN, completely ruining the country with their economical policies, and impose their ideology with violence and deaths on the Afghan people, not to mention killing of Shia's and other minorities.

I believe a lot of your facts are wrong and you twisting words here.

Take a look at this:




I suggest you watch the entire interview to understand the situation completely.
 
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This is what I wrote as my Comments to the NY Times.

The 1857 'Indian Mutiny' or 'Sipoy Mutiny' (aka 'War of Independence' according to the locals) against the British occupiers was allegedly triggered by the Brits forcing the local soldiers (under the British command) to use cartridges for their guns which were considered highly offensive. Whether true or not the cartridges were supposed to have ingredients from cow and pig which were offensive to both the Hindus and Muslims, respectively. Needless to say, not only the soldiers rebelled but a large number of civilians joined in. It took one year of atrocities from all sides before the rebellion could be put down. But British were the masters of overt-imperialism. And those events happened in an era when there were no powerful propaganda tools available like now to the weaker party and in an era where tolerance of bloodshed was higher than now. Americans don't have those luxuries in Afghanistan now.

The anger over the alleged burning of Quran is not just about Quran: It is about not seeing significant peace despite 10 years of promises, backed up by the mightiest economic and military powers in human history. It is about having to be told by an almost complete aliens what is right or wrong for the locals. It is about fears of losing their 'pride'. It is about having to see your fellows line up to get jobs to carry trays of food to an alien culture. It is about seeing that the 'coalition' builds a $300 MILLION on an almost-non-functioning power plant next to Kabul to only support the 'contractors' back in America while it is much cheaper to simply get the electricity from one of the neighboring 'Stans--while the same money could have build many schools and clinics for the unwashed locals. It is about the traditional Afghan rejection of anyone on their soil after their welcome has been overstayed.

PS. I am currently reading 'Afgantsy' on Kindle for PC, which describes the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan from 1979-1989. I think those of us, who really care about the 'truth', may want to grab a copy of that book
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Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- A demonstrator died and several U.S. service members and Afghan police were injured as protests over the burning of Qurans at a U.S. military base turned violent Sunday, said officials.
The bloodshed in northern Kunduz province came a day after a gunman killed two U.S. military officers inside their office in the highly secured Afghanistan Ministry of Interior -- one of several incidents targeting allied forces after reports emerged last week that NATO troops had burned Muslim holy books at Bagram Airfield.
U.S. officials, including President Barack Obama, have apologized for the burning and called it inadvertent. A military official -- speaking on condition of anonymity, given the sensitivity of the issue -- said the materials were from a detainee center's library and had "inscriptions" that appeared to be used to "facilitate extremist communications."
Such statements, or explanations, haven't stopped protests from Muslims in Afghanistan, who believe the Quran is the word of God and so holy that people should wash their hands before even touching it.
On Sunday, the sixth day of protests, initially peaceful demonstrators in Kunduz attacked a police chief's office and a U.S. military base, Kunduz police spokesman Sayed Sarwar Hussaini said.
Some threw hand grenades at the base, known as Combat Outpost Fortitude, with resulting blasts injuring seven U.S. personnel believed to be Special Forces members, said Hussaini. Capt. David Yaryar, a spokesman with NATO's International Security Assistance Force, said there was an explosion and small arms fire.
ISAF did not comment on the number or positions of those hurt, though Yaryar did say those hurt were evacuated for medical care.
One protester was killed and three wounded in the violence at the military site, according to Hussaini.
Another 16 protesters suffered injuries as grenades, pistols, knives, sticks and stones were used to attack the police chief's office in Kunduz, said Hussaini, the police spokesman.
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told CNN on Sunday that such unrest and targeting of Americans has gotten "out of hand and needs to stop."
She urged Afghans to abide by the call of their president, Hamid Karzai, for calm.
In a televised address, Karzai said the "emotions of our people" over the burned Qurans "are legitimate and valuable." Still, he added that staying calm will help stop "enemies of our peace and stability" from taking advantage and harming people and property.
U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan, Ryan Crocker, acknowledged "some tough attacks up north" in a CNN interview Sunday, while adding that the "rest of the country ... was pretty calm today."
"(Such anger generally) tapers off, and I think we're all hopeful that the appeal for calm that President Karzai made today -- and he did so with the backing of the entire political leadership of the country -- will create a condition in which this diminishes," said Crocker.
At least 29 people have been killed and nearly 200 wounded in recent protests, Karzai said. The death of the demonstrator in Kunduz would appear to raise that death toll to 30.
They haven't been the only ones killed in the wake of the Quran burnings.
Two U.S. soldiers were gunned down last week at a base in eastern Afghanistan by a man wearing an Afghan National Army uniform.
And then, on Saturday, a man went to the Afghan interior ministry, signed himself in and then retrieved his gun, according to an Afghan counter-terrorism official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk with the media about the incident.
ISAF said that initial reports indicated "an individual" -- whom they did not name -- shot dead two NATO service members, later confirmed by an Afghan police official to be an American colonel and major.
The Defense Department on Sunday identified one of the officers killed as U.S. Air Force Lt. Col. John D. Loftis, 44, of Paducah, Kentucky. Loftis was 44.
The Afghan official identified the suspected gunman as Abdul Saboor, a junior officer in the ministry's intelligence department who the official claimed had spent two months in a Pakistani religious school.
"We believe it was 100% linked to the Quran burning because of the religious background of this junior officer," the counter-terrorism official said.
The Taliban claimed responsibility for the shooting, with its spokesman identifying the shooter by the same first name, Abdul, that the Afghan official used. The Afghan official did not say, though, if it was known the gunman was a member of the Taliban.
The Afghan interior ministry confirmed the gunman is thought to be one of its employees and that his "whereabouts are unknown."
Senior Afghan officials, including the defense and interior ministers, have postponed a scheduled trip to Washington to meet U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and others, Pentagon press secretary George Little said.
"(The officials) are consulting this week with others in the Afghan government and Afghan religious leaders on how to protect ISAF personnel and quell violence in the country," said Little.
Saturday's killing prompted Gen. John Allen -- the commander of ISAF -- to order the withdrawal of several hundred ISAF advisers from ministries in Kabul as a precaution.
Such a move raises questions about a U.S. military plan focusing on the use of small teams of military advisers as it withdraws troops. Yet Lt. Col. Jimmie Cummings, an ISAF spokesman, stressed the advisers are still in contact with Afghan personnel.
"We will not let this incident divide the coalition," Cummings said.
The United States also pulled embedded civilians out of ministries, said Crocker. And France announced Sunday that it was withdrawing all French public officials in Afghan institutions temporarily to ensure their safety.
Amid the protests, ISAF said Sunday that its efforts against the Taliban continue to move forward.
In fact, Afghan and coalition security forces captured Taliban leaders in the provinces of Kandahar and Ghazni, ISAF announced Sunday. So too was a commander with the insurgent Haqqani network, in his case in Logar province.
Crocker highlighted the progress that's been made in Afghanistan since the U.S. embassy opened more than a decade ago with "nothing -- no institutions, no ministries, no police, no army."
Still, he stressed that the stakes remain high in calling for a continued commitment to the country.
"If we decide we're tired of it, al Qaeda and the Taliban certainly aren't," said Crocker.

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I believe a lot of your facts are wrong and you twisting words here.

Take a look at this:




I suggest you watch the entire interview to understand the situation completely.
Man who ever this Taliban is he is really great at English I really liked it
 
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I see how you guys are acting as barbarious as the comments from Americans in Salala Check Post incident.

Why would you stoop to their level?
 
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Sorry if i break rules, i am happy to see them dead. Wonderful news.
 
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Soviets and taliban:

Mujahideens indeed fought the soviets with the help of the americans and the ISI, but a very small fraction of those pashtun mujhahideens are actually the part of the current crop of taliban. The draconian black turban taliban in its current form is a crop of refugee teenagers brainwashed in pakistani madrassas throughout the 90's with saudi money.

The real talib force was numbered in the hundreds, were badly equipped and low on munitions. Within months however 15,000 students arrived from the madrassas in Pakistan in summer of 1993. Students kept flowing from madarssas in north west frontier provinces and eventually formed allainces with others like Hekmatyar's Hezb-i Islami and other power groups from Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam like the Darul Uloom Haqqania etc.

The taliban has never fought for Afghan cause, they care only and only for primarily their islamic, and secondarily pashtun agendas. I find it very disheartening more and more members here are very eager to cheer american losses, I can understand that due to proxy battle among US-PAK, but to see this soft corner for taliban on this forum is not only unfortunate but also despicable. To oppose america you don't need to support taliban.
 
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The Islamic way of getting rid of unwanted copies of the Quran or any Islamic literature for that matter is by burning it. What exactly did the Afghans find offensive, was it that infidels were the ones that burnt it? I know Afghanistan is a medieval society and all but killing random officers over this is just despicable.
 
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The Islamic way of getting rid of unwanted copies of the Quran or any Islamic literature for that matter is by burning it. What exactly did the Afghans find offensive, was it that infidels were the ones that burnt it? I know Afghanistan is a medieval society and all but killing random officers over this is just despicable.



dont try to be a clever sod. I am sorry I dont know what else to say.
only old copies of Quran that are worn off are burnt or burried but their ash is burred. not tossed in the garbage half burnt. and that too by the people who have nothing to do with it.

its like saying if Americans burnt the bodies of hindus and threw them in the garbage then whats wrong with it?
well the wrong is the desecration and insult. there is a ritual and the disposal.

not what an occupation force can ever understand.
 
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Yes! either the old-worn off copies could be burried or burnt with respect by the Muslims only. Nobody has the right to disgrace the Holy book. :coffee:
 
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Two More Soldiers Killed by Afghan Soldier.

2 American Troops Killed in Afghan Shooting - ABC News
Two American soldiers were killed Thursday in a shooting by an Afghan soldier and a literacy teacher at a joint base in southern Afghanistan, officials said, the latest in a series of deaths as anti-Americanism rises following the burning of Qurans by U.S. soldiers.

Both were killed on the same day that the top NATO commander allowed a small number of foreign advisers to return to work at Afghan ministries after more than a week of being locked down in secure locations because of the killing of two other Americans.

Thursday's killings raised to six the number of Americans killed in less than two weeks amid heightened tensions over the Feb, 20 burning of Qurans and other Islamic texts that had been dumped in a garbage pit at Bagram Air Field near Kabul. More than 30 Afghans also were killed in six days of violent riots that broke out after the incident.

President Barack Obama and other U.S. officials apologized and said the burning was an accident, but that has failed to quell the anger.

Two U.S. officials in Washington confirmed the two slain NATO service members were Americans. One said details of the killings Thursday in southern Afghanistan were still unclear but officials believe there were three attackers, two of whom were subsequently killed. He said the third may be in custody. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the record.

The shootings on Thursday were the latest in a series of attacks by Afghan security forces — or militants disguised in their uniforms — against Americans and other members of the international alliance. Last month the Pentagon released data showing that 75 percent of the more than 45 insider attacks since 2007 occurred in the last two years.

They are likely to raise further questions about the training of Afghan security forces by coalition troops as foreign forces prepare to withdraw by 2014.

Hundreds of advisers were pulled out of ministries and other government locations after an Afghan gunman shot and killed two U.S. military advisers on Feb. 25 inside their office at the Interior Ministry. The Taliban claimed responsibility for the ministry shootings, saying they were conducted in retaliation for last week's Quran burnings, but no one has been arrested in the case.

An Afghan soldier also killed two U.S. troops in eastern Afghanistan on Feb. 23 during a protest over the Quran burnings.

U.S. military spokesman Lt. Col. Jimmie Cummings said Thursday that Marine Gen. John Allen, the top commander in Afghanistan, approved the return of selected personnel. He could not elaborate which ministries were involved, but an Afghan official said some had returned to a department setting up a government-run security force that will guard international development projects.

A NATO official said less than a dozen advisers had returned. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

Foreign advisers are key to helping improve governance and prepare Afghan security forces to take on more responsibility. The U.S. is already reducing its own troop presence by 30,000 at the end of the summer. Many of the remaining soldiers will switch from fighting to training and mentoring Afghan forces.
 
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I believe a lot of your facts are wrong and you twisting words here.

Take a look at this:




I suggest you watch the entire interview to understand the situation completely.

I suggest you back up your claims with arguments and facts in stead of throwing youtube video's, which can't substantiate your claims.
 
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