Afghan Border police vow to prevent Torkham gate at any cost

[TMA]

Yes, they signed a series of treaties with the British concluding in the Treaty of Rawalpindi in 1919 which demarcated the border between Afghanistan and British India. Upon independence in 1947, Pakistan inherited the partitioned borders of British India, and under the principle of uti possidetis which I have mentioned in the post linked below. Therefore under international law they have absolutely no legal standing when they claim the border is disputed. Also it doesnt help their case that every single country and international organisation in the world except them recognises the border between the two countries including the UN.

https://defence.pk/threads/afghan-b...torkham-gate-at-any-cost.435002/#post-8383189

They don't care about International Law; but how to damage and destroy Pakistan with the help of their master NATO.

 

[-SINAN-]

@Kambojaric

I want stress out that Pakistan is managing the situation excellently. I have seen posts in PDF like let's kill em, let's kick out Afgan refugees, let's bomb Kabul.

No, you won't do that because it is not your intention to misbehave against refugees, hostility against your neighbor. You just want to build a border gate and manage the flow between the two neighboring countries. So, while doing it (which is absolutely your right) you get fired upon, you reply proportionately to aggression (by folds) and continue to build the border gate which is your only objective. Excellent management from Pakistani officials.

 

[haviZsultan]

correction

Northern Alliance thugs .. mainly racist Penjsheris and Tajiks who hate the majority of Afghan population and brutalises them more than than any occupation army has ever done.


please don't identify them as Afghans.. we are facing the minions of warlords and drug racketeers who benefited from American invasion of Afghanistan and have been involved in chaos inside Afghanistan well before the inception of Taliban.

Its clear that over 60-70% of the Afghan military is made up of non Pashtuns. What is unclear is why the Pashtuns of Afghanistan allow this to be done and equally hate Pakistan over the Durand line when Pakistan's policy has revolved around the defense and benefit of Pashtuns as we have thought pashtuns in Pakistan and Afghanistan have a solid link. Personally what I have seen tells me pashtuns in Afghanistan are as much or more hateful of Pakistan as are the Tajiks Uzbeks and Hazaras. The Afghans are forced to communicate in Dari and their official language is Farsi. I don't see any benefits to the pashtuns under the current government.

 

[Royal Blue007]

send F16s to roast Indian payroll pigs!

Soda water bottle

 

[haviZsultan]

http://www.dawn.com/news/1265011

The construction work on Torkham gate also started following the ceasefire announcement.


Lantoon kay bhooth batoon say naheen mantey.

The only solution might be to take territory of Afghanistan in front of the gate. When they will be firing at the construction teams no gate can be built in any way.

 

[My-Analogous]

Border police vow to prevent Torkham gate at any cost

Security & Crime

By
Zeerak Fahim
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Jun 15, 2016 - 16:10
JALALABAD (Pajhwok): Border police in the eastern zone say they will not allow Pakistani forces to construct a new gate at the Torkham border crossing as tension continued for a fourth day on Wednesday.

Afghan and Pakistani forces started exchanges of fire four days ago after Afghan border guards prevented the Pakistanis from constructing a gate at the border crossing allegedly at a disputed territory.

Pakistan insists the gate is being constructed on their side of the border to check cross border movement of terrorists and drug smugglers to either side.

"Border management is aimed at addressing the common concern of infiltration and hence to enhance mutual security of both the countries and their peoples", advisor to Pakistani prime minister on foreign affairs Sartaj Aziz said in a statement, adding the two sides should resolve issues through dialogue.

But Afghan officials say the gate’s construction is against international laws. Afghan 301 border zone official Col. Mohammad Ayub Hussainkhel on Wednesday said Pakistani forces once again fired at the Afghan forces last night and the clash continued for several hours.

To a question, Hussainkhel said: “We will not allow the Pakistanis to construct the gate at any cost because their action is against international laws and we will prevent them.”

The border security official said the morale of their forces was high and were ready for any possible provocation from the Pakistani side.

Meanwhile, 301 border police quick reaction unit commander Balkh Jamal said they would not allow the Pakistani paramilitary forces to construct the gate.

He said the Afghan border forces had been effectively responding to attacks from the Pakistani side and had an upper hand so far.

An injured border police official, Mirwais, told Pajhwok Afghan News he wanted to fight until his last breath in the defence of the country.

“Last night I got injured during the clash with the Pakistanis and after first treatment, I returned to the line of duty. Our commander granted me leave, but I refused to go home.”

The spokesman for Nangarhar governor, Attaullah Khogyani, said the forces at Torkham had been well-equipped. “The governor wants the issue to be resolved through political means, but if the Pakistani side continues the conflict, they will receive a befitting response every moment.”

The situation along the border remained tense for a fourth day on Wednesday and the border crossing remained closed for as many days, bringing to a halt all kind of businesses.

In line with a decision of the National Security Council, Afghan ambassador and President Ghani’s special representative for Pakistan Dr. Omar Zakhilwal was expected to hold talks with Pakistani officials on the border issue today.

Hay you idiot munafiq, We are in holy month of Ramadan and we don't attack anyone in this month but since you started this then i must say GO TO HELL AND WE DAMN CARE

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Afghan are learning quickly from their Indian masters. Lots of empty bravado. Someone tell this idiot that we are building the gate right now after the ceasefire.

 

[IceCold]

you got it

Northern Alliance has brutalised the Afghan Pasthons so much that they had to fall back to the Taliban and the way Northern Alliance scumbags have mistreated the Afghan population in general and specially the Pashtons in the south is one of the reason why Taliban found space and acceptance even among the non-Pashton population. this is not a hollow claim but something evidenced by the western forces and people who met the people

these scumbags are ready to blame Haqqanis and Pakistan for all the ills in Afghanistan but have little to no care for their own brutalised population.

yes Pakistan needs to be smart and its military must be careful not to fall in the trap of these scumbags.

I say everyone to only address them as Northern Alliance scumbags .. NOT as Afghans. we have no issues with them. we have housed them more than 4 decades now more than the ages of many people on this forum despite the ills Afghans have also positively contributed much to the society.
blind brute force must be avoided and smartly used

I disagree with the part where some people are advocating not to use force, my reasoning is as follows,
It is Pakistans soft policy that despite being a nuclear power and having the 7th largest army and hosting millions of Afghan refuges and giving these scums a free pass for decades and all their trade commencing through Pakistan they still have the audacity to bark at us. Not only that they continue to host elements like Fazal ullah and their intelligence give support to TTP along side RAW. No where in the world will you find an example such as this where we hold so many cards yet we fail to use even one and for what gains if i may ask?
Let me add that because of this failed policy of ours and even though we have lost so much in WOT, the world continues to blame us and every country is trying to further their interests at our expense. We are but a mockery in front of the entire world.
We should had been done with soft policy along ago and a carrot and stick policy should had been adopted with Afghanistan. If they behave, we treat them well, if they misbehave which they have been doing and only has gotten worse again because of our soft and all most non existing foreign policy, we show them who's in charge. Northern Alliance treated the Pasthons badly but that is not our problem and should not be made our problem why because no matter what Pasthons of that side equally hates us as would any Tajik or Hazara or whatever. Besides we need to get this Pasthon BS out of peoples mind. They are either Pakistanis or they are Afghani, anything in between should not be acceptable under any circumstances.

I say we gave in too early. We should had pounded them until they would have come on their knees and beg for a cease fire. They killed one of our own, does his life has no value? If Pakistan does not stand up for its citizens and make others pay for the crimes they commit against our soil, our brothers and sisters no body is going to take us seriously in fact they are going to mock us, continue to kill ours and on top of that even blame us for everything.

Killing of Mullah Masood in Pakistan stinks of the same BS foreign policy of ours. Imagine the guy travelled all the way through Qatar, UAE, Iran, he was not taken out in any of those places even when he was under US surveillance and as soon as he lands in Pakistan Bang, drone strike, Pakistan becomes the bad guy and the whole world mocks us for holding another fugitive irrespective that all the world powers were on board with the dialogue process. These are the results of our soft and usual foreign policy or should i say non existing policy.

No body is going acknowledge anything neither will they give us whats ours. We have to change this perception. Coming back to the topic countries like Afghanistan should be made to know the cost of messing with Pakistan and her interests. If not they will continue to do what they did now and brave men will continue to lose their lives because we our selves are divided and dont know how to deal with the situation.

 

[R Wing]

correction

Northern Alliance thugs .. mainly racist Penjsheris and Tajiks who hate the majority of Afghan population and brutalises them more than than any occupation army has ever done.


please don't identify them as Afghans.. we are facing the minions of warlords and drug racketeers who benefited from American invasion of Afghanistan and have been involved in chaos inside Afghanistan well before the inception of Taliban.

There are also a solid number of anti-Pakistan Pashtuns there. The problem is not confined to NA thugs.

Though a country who has a brutal, pathetic warlord like Dostum as a legitimate political entity probably has a bumpy future ahead...

I would like two share two quotes I came across in college:

"Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery.

Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it."

I believe that Pakistan's "soft stance" has had mixed results. Sometimes, a disproportionate and devastating response can remind belligerent countries not to mistake our restraint for weakness.

Many keyboard strategists here would argue that Afghanistan is essentially a small US base and therefore further escalation could be seen as aggression towards NATO --- so be it, especially if they can't control their own "trained" Afghan forces.

 

[Kambojaric]

@Kambojaric

I want stress out that Pakistan is managing the situation excellently. I have seen posts in PDF like let's kill em, let's kick out Afgan refugees, let's bomb Kabul.

No, you won't do that because it is not your intention to misbehave against refugees, hostility against your neighbor. You just want to build a border gate and manage the flow between the two neighboring countries. So, while doing it (which is absolutely your right) you get fired upon, you reply proportionately to aggression (by folds) and continue to build the border gate which is your only objective. Excellent management from Pakistani officials.

Indeed, it is very difficult to stay professional given that we have given refuge to millions of their people for decades (just as you are doing now with Syrians), and in turn get only hate back. Still I have full trust in our leadership to behave like a big brother. The restraint with which our military is handling the situation shows how proffesional they are, and this is my personal viewpoint as well as I mentioned in another thread linked below

https://defence.pk/threads/its-time-to-teach-afghanistan-a-lesson.434958/#post-8382341

 

[CriticalThinker02]

you got it

Northern Alliance has brutalised the Afghan Pasthons so much that they had to fall back to the Taliban and the way Northern Alliance scumbags have mistreated the Afghan population in general and specially the Pashtons in the south is one of the reason why Taliban found space and acceptance even among the non-Pashton population. this is not a hollow claim but something evidenced by the western forces and people who met the people

these scumbags are ready to blame Haqqanis and Pakistan for all the ills in Afghanistan but have little to no care for their own brutalised population.

yes Pakistan needs to be smart and its military must be careful not to fall in the trap of these scumbags.

I say everyone to only address them as Northern Alliance scumbags .. NOT as Afghans. we have no issues with them. we have housed them more than 4 decades now more than the ages of many people on this forum despite the ills Afghans have also positively contributed much to the society.
blind brute force must be avoided and smartly used

I hope the Pak Army and ISI is aware of this and doesn't fall into the trap set up by the ANA regime.

We should really start to differentiate between the Northern Alliance and the Pashtun population, by calling these ANA goons as Afghani we are indirectly legitimizing their puppet government as representatives for the entire Afghanistan.

 

[Samlee]

which int law is that guy talking about??? every country has right to fortify its border they say terrorists come from pak we say not our fault its open border and they also come from yr side too and when we do something to stop it they cry its illegal are they all mental??

These Afghan Idiots Once Raised Objections To Dasu Dam At The Behest of India Later On They Realised That No Part Indus River Goes to Afghanistan And What A Laughing Stock They Were Made Out Of

@Kambojaric

I want stress out that Pakistan is managing the situation excellently. I have seen posts in PDF like let's kill em, let's kick out Afgan refugees, let's bomb Kabul.

No, you won't do that because it is not your intention to misbehave against refugees, hostility against your neighbor. You just want to build a border gate and manage the flow between the two neighboring countries. So, while doing it (which is absolutely your right) you get fired upon, you reply proportionately to aggression (by folds) and continue to build the border gate which is your only objective. Excellent management from Pakistani officials.

Sensible Post But Brother You Have To Understand Pakistan's Anger These Afghans Have Literally Been Biting The Hand That Feeds Them

 

[war&peace]

Is the construction of the gate against international laws to which Pakistan has signed up to? Any legal experts on PDF?

Of course not, it is on Pakistan's side of the border so no one should object.

 

[khanz]

Guys, i didn't know there is a border dispute between Afganistan and Pakistan.
"Although it is recognised internationally as the western border of Pakistan, it remains largely unrecognised in Afghanistan."

That makes the situation complex.....did they ever signed any treaty for accepting the border ?

Bro it's not even a dispute everything to the east of the durand line is ours it's an internal border recognized by everyone in the world other than afghans(that too only mostly among one of their ethnic group-pashtuns) even their best friend India has never questioned the pakistani stance (hell we inherited it from British India after all lol )
This belligerent attitude is due to them still living in old days of their empire and used to the old status quo when they used to be the ones in power and cross the frontier freely to raid the indian sub-continent . They claim everything in Pakistan west of the Indus so they have always resented us for this loss they have even invaded us in the past but we gave them a good spanking and sent them scurrying like rats right back across the border. Theres just too much of a gap between the two of us and a huge shift in power balance in pakistan's favour since our birth and we have outgrown afghanistan in every way .
Pakistan and Afghanistan are both poor 3rd world nations yet when you see both it's almost like the difference between a developed and 3rd world country.It's why 3.5 million afghans would rather stay in pakistan and most will adopt pakistani identity over time and the afghans can't stand this their pride is hurt over being the weaker party.

 

[war&peace]

Northern Alliance scumbags .. NOT as Afghans

Agreed...good factual analysis. noted. That's a known fact the northern alliance has been anti-Pakistan and anti-Pashtoon also. USA instated an anti-Pakistan group in Kabul. However Pashtoons, who have historical relations with people in KPK have not harboured such feelings against Pakistan at least in long term basis. Thus Pakistan has influence on this population to a certain degree and they want to eliminate it.