Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft [AMCA] Development | Updates & Discussions.

[scientien]

No...defence teach needs to be superior to the tech enemy has for it to be called succesful( or counter a superior tech using innovative thinking in case of Russia)
For example ISRO's PSLV is extremly successful but a crude launch vehicle.It gets the job done cheaply but in terms of sophistication it is nowhere near what NASA or ESA have to offer.

I would have countered your statement but then,whats the pupose of all the above things you said?does that imply thay we should not try?dude a time will come we will be more advanced than usa or europe but first we need to try,if we dont try know we will nvr b advance than them.
Eg look at gslv in the next ten to twenty yrs our space flight capability can match theres.

 

[Agent_47]

we have only 5-7 years to develop it. AMCA's flight flight is planed for 2020. and will be introduced into AF in 2025(as per the current plan). and you think that we can develop a radar similar to the one used in f-35 in just 10 years!!??

who told you that ?
No country in the world can make a fifth gen fighter in 7 years !. Look at your overpriced marketing gimmick, F35 it is still not finished. ADA is not going to make over optimistic mistakes of LCA again.

Also, what is the hurry ? AMCA is suppose to replace Mig 29,Mirage 2000, jauger. All are getting upgraded and airframe can serve upto 2032. Let the technologies mature no big hurry, but we have to start things now.

F-35 radar APG-77 don't even use GaN T/R.That means if we can field similar T/R count on a GaN based AESA radar in next 10 years, it can be deadlier than APG-77.(Isreal,Raytheon,Lockheed already demonstrated ground based GaN AESA).

yes they do. japan manufacture almost every defense hardware in the country, they have a similar policy like our "make in india".
no we have a fastest developing adversary "china". recent technological advancement in china is unprecedented.
i didn't say they are superior in every feild. what i said is they are superior in manufacturing cutting edge electronic deceives than india.

Do some research buddy,Japan,SK etc piggyback on western technologies. Show me a credible aero engine fully made by them?
Yes,China is awesome because their economy is.

 

[Perpendicular]

Orange to add teeth to India’s gen-next weapon systems

Read more at: Orange to add teeth to India’s gen-next weapon systems - Oneindia

Written by: Dr Anantha Krishnan M

Future missiles and Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) being developed by India will be tested for their Radar Cross Section (RCS) measurements at the recently-opened facility codenamed Project Orange (open range) in Dundigal near Hyderabad. Orange is a Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) project operated by Dr A P J Abdul Kalam Research Centre Imarat (formerly RCI). It is being developed as a national facility for RCS measurements, which is capable of enhancing the stealth features of India's gen-next weapon systems. Giving exclusive details to OneIndia, an official said that Orange is capable of measuring RCS over a wide frequency band for various platforms. The facility was recently opened by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar. "Orange can be used to test platforms currently in use by defence forces and those futuristic weapon systems under development. The facility presently covers frequency ranges in far field scenario and is capable of providing RCS measurements as well as onboard antenna characteristics," the official, requesting anonymity, said. Know more about Radar Cross Section (RCS) RCS is the parameter that determines the detectability of an object by a radar. A larger value indicates that an object can be detected at far distances compared to one with small RCS value. The RCS of a object is defined in far field, i.e., distances where the electro-magnetic (EM) energy spread out by the emitter has achieved a steady state scenario and antenna pattern does not change with distance. Radars are used worldwide over a wide frequency band starting from VHF to millimeter waves (MM-waves) for various purposes. Low frequency radars have the advantage of transmitting a very high power and are utilized for early detection. However, for tracking purpose (a seeker for example), higher frequencies are used, which have the advantage of higher resolution, though transmitted powers are limited. Facility can take loads in excess of 75 tonnes The official said that Orange is being established in an open (outdoor) configuration with a range that's capable of addressing the requirements of a full-scale vehicle. The Pylon system is capable of lifting payloads up to 35 tonnes by a height of 10 meter above ground, necessary for aerial targets. "The base rotor of the pylon has the capability of taking loads in excess of 75 tonnes which is to be utilized for RCS and antenna measurements of heavier ground vehicles, including tanks and radars. The pylon has three detachable rotors with varying payload capacity," the official said. The capacity of the pylon is capable of addressing the requirements of scale models, dummy mockups, operational light aircraft and even heavy fighter such as a Su-30MKI. Many home-grown technologies incorporated Orange boasts of many home-grown technologies developed with the support of DRDO. The Instrumentation Radar System (capable of measuring low RCS values) at the test range is co-developed by Bose Institute, Kolkata and Sikkim Manipal Institute of Technology (Rangpo), Sikkim. "The RCS measurement and calibration technique for the test range is based on RCI's two-decades-plus expertise in this domain. In addition to RCS measurements, the RF imaging capability of the range is capable of diagnosing the hot spots (prominent scattering centres) on a platform," he said. Based on the levels of hot spots, the vehicle can be subjected to a redesign or even put through RCS-reduction materials. "It all depends upon the overall RCS reduction achievement in a defined threat sector of a given vehicle," the official added.

 

[satish]

Are the specifications on the Wikipedia site are correct?

If they are then wing loading will be too high and aircraft won't be maneuverable and it will have sluggish acceleration.

Air craft will not have much wing for the weight.

 

[monitor]

Computer Generated photos - Indian Air Force PAK FA T-50

 

[Perpendicular]

AMCA is planning to use the GE F414-EPE.

 

[fsayed]

AMCA is planning to use the GE F414-EPE.

This will be good news for amca project.
engine will b big hurdle if decision not made at early stage

 

[Perpendicular]

This will be good news for amca project.
engine will b big hurdle if decision not made at early stage

One of the lesson LCA program taught us. Thus MK2's and AMCA's won't have to wait until India comes up with own required capable power plant.

 

[Cyberian]

Has India even started building this AMCA Cartoon or is it going to remain just a cartoon?

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Has India even started building this AMCA Cartoon or is it going to remain just a cartoon?

No money given to build prototypes, yet.

They are currently looking, talking with several suppliers for it's engine. With GE looking like it will supply AMCA's engines. India and GE are in advanced talks about the contract.

US to help India develop engine for Gen-5 fighter | Business Standard News

Design is being finalized, if not done.

It's supply chain with increased private participation will be implemented. Modular construction will being implemented.

You're right in thinking it's a paper plane now, but It's only a matter of time before it get's the green light.

AURA UCAV is also about to get the green light - Government set to clear Rs 3,000 crore plan to develop engine for India's first UCAV - The Economic Times
India to launch its Own UCAV project 'Ghatak' Soon

 

[kaykay]

Design have been finalised and model has passed both low speed wind tunnel test( in India) and supersonic wind tunnel tests and RCS tests(USA). Project definition phase is running right now and after this they will start building 1st Technology demonstrator.

 

[bloo]

Design have been finalised and model has passed both low speed wind tunnel test( in India) and supersonic wind tunnel tests and RCS tests(USA). Project definition phase is running right now and after this they will start building 1st Technology demonstrator.

Link?

 

[mkb95]

Update on AMCA



AMCA is another project to develop a medium weight combat aircraft, which having fifth generation capabilities like active sensor and processing systems, internal weapon carriage capability, precision strike capability and invisible to enemy radars. The AMCA work initiated in early 2012 with the estimated project completion time of 2025.

The Indian Navy too joined with the AMCA project with air force and other Indian state owned, Private aviation sectors and electric companies to build and assist the AMCA project. Foreign collaboration also sought for this project, since crucial hardware's like radar and engines comes from abroad only.

The AMCA preliminary design was changed several times, to adopt new model engines, Radar's and long range missiles. Like how the A 10 developed to carry the GAU 8 Avenger cannon. The AMCA also developed to carry multi national equipment's like Missiles, Radar's and Engines.

Currently more than 4000 employers assigned into the AMCA project,where they extracted from ADA, DRDO, HAL and some other leading private companies. The AMCA team identified three major technical works. Which are Thrust vectoring, super cruise Engines, Active radar's and other processing system and the radar absorbent material.

Engine

India asks for a joint development of fifth generation engines with foreign nations. It's reported India might need more than 2000 plus Engines for AMCA. India already has initiated a Engine project named Kaveri. India wants the new engine who powers the AMCA must be based on the Kaveri. In response many foreign nations responded for the Joint Engine development program.





Currently three countries tries to seal the AMCA engine development program. US, France and England offers their known engine companies like General Electric, Snecma and Rolls Royce respectively. GE from America offered engine development based on the F 414 engine, and the Snecma announced the M 88 engine who powers the Rafale and the Rolls Royce also offered the EJ 200 engine for joint development with Kaveri.

As per last known reports, US company General Electric leads in the program. who already supplying F 404 engines for LCA Tejas. GE also set ups manufacturing plants in India to produce aviation engines in India.

Radar

As same like every other fifth generation fighters, The AMCA too hosts superior avionics and sensor suites. The AMCA hosts new generation GaN based AESA for superior detection and performance. Currently there is no fighter jets has GaN based AESA radars. However many ground based radar available with GaN transceiver modules.


Some information's reported that, state owned LRDE is initiated a project to develop a small size air borne X band GaN based AESA radar for AMCA. LRDE already shows a model of AESA radar in last years Aero India exhibition. However the Uttam is not good for fifth generation fighters like AMCA.

It's reported earlier that, India and Israel working for a joint project to develop a GaN based AESA for fighter jets. However due to the importance of the program the information's are highly classified. It's clear the Radar too be a joint venture between either US or Israel.

Sensor

The infrared based systems like IRST, missile warning systems, laser warning system also added internally in the AMCA. The IRST sensors are placed in all sides of the AMCA to provide full angle coverage like in Rafale and F 35. The proposed IRST system is work similar to the F 35's EOTS who shares the information's to friendly units like via the satellite and highly secured data links.

AMCA also comes with self protection jammer system to jam enemy radar guided missiles from both air and ground. electronic counter measure systems to confuse the infrared guided missiles and a radar warning receiver too added to detect enemy radar frequency's.

The Senor suites in AMCA led by the LRDE and BEL which include many private and foreign contributes.

It's Reported the AMCA will be ready by early 2020 or before and HAL starts flying the first flight of fully developed AMCA by 2021. with the initial low rate initial production by 2024. And the air force gets the first AMCA squad by 2025. If all things goes per schedule
source- Life of Soldiers: Update on AMCA

 

[#hydra#]

Update on AMCA



AMCA is another project to develop a medium weight combat aircraft, which having fifth generation capabilities like active sensor and processing systems, internal weapon carriage capability, precision strike capability and invisible to enemy radars. The AMCA work initiated in early 2012 with the estimated project completion time of 2025.

The Indian Navy too joined with the AMCA project with air force and other Indian state owned, Private aviation sectors and electric companies to build and assist the AMCA project. Foreign collaboration also sought for this project, since crucial hardware's like radar and engines comes from abroad only.

The AMCA preliminary design was changed several times, to adopt new model engines, Radar's and long range missiles. Like how the A 10 developed to carry the GAU 8 Avenger cannon. The AMCA also developed to carry multi national equipment's like Missiles, Radar's and Engines.

Currently more than 4000 employers assigned into the AMCA project,where they extracted from ADA, DRDO, HAL and some other leading private companies. The AMCA team identified three major technical works. Which are Thrust vectoring, super cruise Engines, Active radar's and other processing system and the radar absorbent material.

Engine

India asks for a joint development of fifth generation engines with foreign nations. It's reported India might need more than 2000 plus Engines for AMCA. India already has initiated a Engine project named Kaveri. India wants the new engine who powers the AMCA must be based on the Kaveri. In response many foreign nations responded for the Joint Engine development program.





Currently three countries tries to seal the AMCA engine development program. US, France and England offers their known engine companies like General Electric, Snecma and Rolls Royce respectively. GE from America offered engine development based on the F 414 engine, and the Snecma announced the M 88 engine who powers the Rafale and the Rolls Royce also offered the EJ 200 engine for joint development with Kaveri.

As per last known reports, US company General Electric leads in the program. who already supplying F 404 engines for LCA Tejas. GE also set ups manufacturing plants in India to produce aviation engines in India.

Radar

As same like every other fifth generation fighters, The AMCA too hosts superior avionics and sensor suites. The AMCA hosts new generation GaN based AESA for superior detection and performance. Currently there is no fighter jets has GaN based AESA radars. However many ground based radar available with GaN transceiver modules.


Some information's reported that, state owned LRDE is initiated a project to develop a small size air borne X band GaN based AESA radar for AMCA. LRDE already shows a model of AESA radar in last years Aero India exhibition. However the Uttam is not good for fifth generation fighters like AMCA.

It's reported earlier that, India and Israel working for a joint project to develop a GaN based AESA for fighter jets. However due to the importance of the program the information's are highly classified. It's clear the Radar too be a joint venture between either US or Israel.

Sensor

The infrared based systems like IRST, missile warning systems, laser warning system also added internally in the AMCA. The IRST sensors are placed in all sides of the AMCA to provide full angle coverage like in Rafale and F 35. The proposed IRST system is work similar to the F 35's EOTS who shares the information's to friendly units like via the satellite and highly secured data links.

AMCA also comes with self protection jammer system to jam enemy radar guided missiles from both air and ground. electronic counter measure systems to confuse the infrared guided missiles and a radar warning receiver too added to detect enemy radar frequency's.

The Senor suites in AMCA led by the LRDE and BEL which include many private and foreign contributes.

It's Reported the AMCA will be ready by early 2020 or before and HAL starts flying the first flight of fully developed AMCA by 2021. with the initial low rate initial production by 2024. And the air force gets the first AMCA squad by 2025. If all things goes per schedule
source- Life of Soldiers: Update on AMCA

What's the advantages of GaN based radars?

 

[sasum]

Is it true, except for Airframe, nothing is indigenous in AMCA?