Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft [AMCA] Development | Updates & Discussions.

[Raj-Hindustani]

Call it what you want, the Pakistani method with Chinese help is doing what it was always designed to do, put reasonable quality low cost equipment into the hands of the end user. That is all that is required. No need to reinvent the wheel, especially if you are a very close ally of the world's next super power.

India needs to do the same.

Nope -At least learn from Chinese. They started from scratch or copy paste then after experience, developed and manufactured new aircrafts. Read about their aero industry and their development,

India has also done the some but our Aero industry is maturing now and also experience is very important.

Manufacturing is totally different after TOT comparing to in-house research and development (R&D).

This way you will be ending by manufacturing only OEM products even after many years.

 

[Anik101]

South Korea's Kai KFx will be flying in a year. Where is India's AMCA lololol ???? Paper Plane. 10 years to design a freaking Plane. Come onnnn

KAI KFX was started in 1999. AMCA was started in 2009-10

So?

MK2 = Steel not cut - Will be in Feb 2021 and 1st fly in 2022. (for you - they will not change the schedule)

MK1A = Steel not cut - Why? it is just a up-gradation of existing HAL Tejas Mk1. Agreement is just signed and 1st squadron will be completed by 2024-25. It means, there around 16-20 aircrafts will be flying.

AMCA = Steel not cut - Designed phased has completed, possible metal cutting in 2022.

Metal cutting for both AMCA and Mk2 has started. Tenders for cockpit systems for AMCA were out last year.

 

[Anik101]

JF-17 - Produced in Pakistan - 8 sqaudrons
RAAD - Produced in Pakistan - In front line service
Shapar and Burraq UAV - Produced in Pakistan in frontline service
Zarb Missile - Produced in Pakistan in frontline service
Babrbu cruise missile - Produced in Pakistan in frontline service

You made these systems without proper wind tunnel and testing facilities. Hats off to your design teams.
You made electronic systems for these missiles without a semiconductor Fab plant.. Hats off to your engineers....

tejas - Not in frontline service fully (US engines and Israeli radar)
dhruv and light attack choppers - In service (European design and engines)

What do you make in JF17 and Al-Khalid.....Engine?? Radar?? optics?? Electronics?? Fire control computer?? Flight control computer??Actuators?? System on chips?? transmission system?? Navigation system?? Electronic warfare systems?? I bet you import tyres and valves for JF17 as there are only a handful of countries who can make aerospace-grade tyres and valves.
BTW Drhuv's engine was jointly developed by HAL and safran and will be replaced by a more powerful Indian engine HTSE1200.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1357565828598759424

Also German MBB has hired as a consultant and not as a design partner. Dhruv has some features of MBB designs for this reason. Dhruv was designed in India by HAL engineers.

Astra and rudra stand off weapons - Not in front line service
aesa radars - Not in front line service

Astra is already in production.
IHS-Janes-
BDL begins initial build of Astra Mk1 BVRAAM
https://web.archive.org/web/2017090.../bdl-begins-initial-build-of-astra-mk1-bvraam
DRDO's GaA based AESA radars are already in frontline service.
Netra AEW&C with DRDO's LSTAR radar and electronic warfare systems

3 are in service and 6 more are on order.
Ground based AESA:
ADTCR:

LLTR:

Arudhra:

 

[Yasser76]

You made these systems without proper wind tunnel and testing facilities. Hats off to your design teams.
You made electronic systems for these missiles without a semiconductor Fab plant.. Hats off to your engineers....

What do you make in JF17 and Al-Khalid.....Engine?? Radar?? optics?? Electronics?? Fire control computer?? Flight control computer??Actuators?? System on chips?? transmission system?? Navigation system?? Electronic warfare systems?? I bet you import tyres and valves for JF17 as there are only a handful of countries who can make aerospace-grade tyres and valves.
BTW Drhuv's engine was jointly developed by HAL and safran and will be replaced by a more powerful Indian engine HTSE1200.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1357565828598759424

Also German MBB has hired as a consultant and not as a design partner. Dhruv has some features of MBB designs for this reason. Dhruv was designed in India by HAL engineers.

Astra is already in production.
IHS-Janes-
BDL begins initial build of Astra Mk1 BVRAAM
https://web.archive.org/web/2017090.../bdl-begins-initial-build-of-astra-mk1-bvraam
DRDO's GaA based AESA radars are already in frontline service.
Netra AEW&C with DRDO's LSTAR radar and electronic warfare systems

3 are in service and 6 more are on order.
Ground based AESA:
ADTCR:

LLTR:

Arudhra:

Yes, we got assistance from China. You build many models and drawings without giving much equipment to your soldiers and pilots, hats off to your drawing teams.

Real winners are not Indian scientists, but French, Russian, American and Israeli as you still continously import

I said Astra was not in front line service, it is not. In production still does not magically make it "in frontline".Dhruv is based on EC635, any idiot can see that from a glance.

 

[MirageBlue]

Call it what you want, the Pakistani method with Chinese help is doing what it was always designed to do, put reasonable quality low cost equipment into the hands of the end user. That is all that is required. No need to reinvent the wheel, especially if you are a very close ally of the world's next super power.

India needs to do the same.

Like I said earlier, India doesn't need a DADDY. Lol

 

[Yasser76]

Like I said earlier, India doesn't need a DADDY. Lol

The moment US/West turns it's support off you can kiss your asses goodbye, please do not kid yourself

 

[Anik101]

Yes, we got assistance from China. You build many models and drawings without giving much equipment to your soldiers and pilots, hats off to your drawing teams.

What assistance??? LOL....Everything was developed by china or was integrated off the shelf from other OEMs....You have a minimal contribution in the development of any equipment you call indigeneous..Every complex subsystem, LRUs is imported.

I said Astra was not in front line service, it is not. In production still does not magically make it "in frontline".

I thought that for an Air force there is no frontline. Astra mk1 is already flying with Su30MKI. Will be tested from Tejas and Mig29UPG this year itself.

 

[Yasser76]

What assistance??? LOL....Everything was developed by china or was integrated off the shelf from other OEMs....You have a minimal contribution in the development of any equipment you call indigeneous..Every complex subsystem, LRUs is imported.

I thought that for an Air force there is no frontline. Astra mk1 is already flying with Su30MKI. Will be tested from Tejas and Mig29UPG this year itself.

Flying as a test on an SU-30 as opposed to being in widespread service are two different things, if you knew anything about the military you would know this, but I guess we just continue battling your ignorance and deceit on this forum as usual...

 

[Mrc]

Indian made cruise missile has been in flight tests for 20 years. None of them successfull

 

[MirageBlue]

The moment US/West turns it's support off you can kiss your asses goodbye, please do not kid yourself

Lol..whatever makes you happy dude..keep praying for the support to be "turned off"..Meanwhile, Pakistan becomes more and more of a Chinese vassal state..lol

What assistance??? LOL....Everything was developed by china or was integrated off the shelf from other OEMs....You have a minimal contribution in the development of any equipment you call indigeneous..Every complex subsystem, LRUs is imported.

Assistance..Lol..they are so deluded it's amazing..the Chinese have built EVERY SINGLE PART of the JF-17 and still these guys call it a JV..they just provided the funding and did project management, the rest of it is all Chinese all the way.

Heck, they cannot even name ONE SINGLE PART on the JF-17 that is designed and developed in Pakistan, even for the JF-17 Block 3..after having assembled over 70-80 JF-17s at PAC Kamra, they still cannot develop a single part on their own for the next block. That tells you everything you need to know.

 

[ARMalik]

It is always good to see too many ignorant indians on this forum. It just provides reassurance that these indians will continue with their favorite centuries old tradition of getting ripped and enslaved by every other nation on this planet. Fantastic !

 

[MirageBlue]

It is always good to see too many ignorant indians on this forum. It just provides reassurance that these indians will continue with their favorite centuries old tradition of getting ripped and enslaved by every other nation on this planet. Fantastic !

Meanwhile Pakistan's economy prospers and it progresses on all indicators..lol

ps: Even Bangladesh is going to look down on Pakistan in a few years from now..lol

 

[serenity]

Combining Astra missile with Su-30 is impressive. Done so quickly as well. Does anyone know if Russians provided source codes for weapons control for MKI? China took many years and a few maths geniuses to break the codes because the Russians wouldn't allow integration of PL-12 missiles with Su-30MKK and Su-30MK2. Actually took many years to do without codes.

I wonder if this can be done with new Meteor missiles and India's own fighters which are not from France. Or Astra developed with integration from beginning with approval from Russia?

 

[ARMalik]

Meanwhile Pakistan's economy prospers and it progresses on all indicators..lol

ps: Even Bangladesh is going to look down on Pakistan in a few years from now..lol

Doesn't matter because the centuries old tradition will continue. Enjoy.

 

[Anik101]

Combining Astra missile with Su-30 is impressive. Done so quickly as well. Does anyone know if Russians provided source codes for weapons control for MKI? China took many years and a few maths geniuses to break the codes because the Russians wouldn't allow integration of PL-12 missiles with Su-30MKK and Su-30MK2. Actually took many years to do without codes.

I wonder if this can be done with new Meteor missiles and India's own fighters which are not from France. Or Astra developed with integration from beginning with approval from Russia?

Su30mki uses indian open architecture mission control computer as well as radar computer so no problem in integration of new weapons.