Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft [AMCA] Development | Updates & Discussions.

[Raj-Hindustani]

I do not understand, you are basically agreeing with me here. Everything you state is "will be"



You need to compare flight hours, from what I have read these have been reduced and the fleet is still small. Once Tejas has flown a large number of hours then you can start comparing properly. Right now the active fleet is still very small

Same you people said for agreement for HAL tejas Mk1a. And, we said that it will be signed during Aero India 2021.

We don't have leverage unlike you that someone will develop a aircraft for you then you will manufacture.

Our Aero industry is being mature now after Ships manufacturing (NAVY) and Helicopter manufacturing(HAL Druv, LCH,LUH, HAL Rudra, and ALH).

Now, this decade will dedicate to for fighter aircrafts developing and manufacturing.

 

[Yasser76]

Same you people said for agreement for HAL tejas Mk1a. And, we said that it will be signed during Aero India 2021.

We don't have leverage unlike you that someone will develop a aircraft for you then you will manufacture.

Our Aero industry is being mature now after Ships manufacturing (NAVY) and Helicopter manufacturing(HAL Druv, LCH,LUH, HAL Rudra, and ALH).

Now, this decade will dedicate to for fighter aircrafts developing and manufacturing.

Pakistan should apologise to India it has the massive support of the world's second strongest country in order to help develop it's aviation industry?

 

[The Maverick]

South Korea's Kai KFx will be flying in a year. Where is India's AMCA lololol ???? Paper Plane. 10 years to design a freaking Plane. Come onnnn

Pakistan should apologise to India it has the massive support of the world's second strongest country in order to help develop it's aviation industry?

they have developed nothing for you.
you assemble your thunder from kits supplied by China,for which you pay China money or goods,or other means. the money leaves,your shores,into chinease chengdu pockets.

yes your handed them.your specs and requirements,multi role bvr cheap and easty to maintain stand off weapons futures upgradable so they designed the fc1 which you call jf17 thunder.
I know you overhaul it and have maintenance workshops.
but it is not your fighters project
it's like our su30mki assembly plants,or jaguar assembly plants.

what we have now is the full package eco system engineers designers scientists wind tunnels and compete design and build capability which has given us
tejas
Amca
Astra and rudra stand off weapons
aesa radars
cats wingman
drones
dhruv and light attack choppers
Imrh 13 tonne medium helo

multi billion dollar investments and thousands of jobs
took us 30 years but we got there

 

[Dark1]

they have developed nothing for you.
you assemble your thunder from kits supplied by China,for which you pay China money or goods,or other means. the money leaves,your shores,into chinease chengdu pockets.

yes your handed them.your specs and requirements,multi role bvr cheap and easty to maintain stand off weapons futures upgradable so they designed the fc1 which you call jf17 thunder.
I know you overhaul it and have maintenance workshops.
but it is not your fighters project
it's like our su30mki assembly plants,or jaguar assembly plants.

what we have now is the full package eco system engineers designers scientists wind tunnels and compete design and build capability which has given us
tejas
Amca
Astra and rudra stand off weapons
aesa radars
cats wingman
drones
dhruv and light attack choppers
Imrh 13 tonne medium helo

multi billion dollar investments and thousands of jobs
took us 30 years but we got there

Very well put. Fully agree.

 

[Yasser76]

they have developed nothing for you.
you assemble your thunder from kits supplied by China,for which you pay China money or goods,or other means. the money leaves,your shores,into chinease chengdu pockets.

yes your handed them.your specs and requirements,multi role bvr cheap and easty to maintain stand off weapons futures upgradable so they designed the fc1 which you call jf17 thunder.
I know you overhaul it and have maintenance workshops.
but it is not your fighters project
it's like our su30mki assembly plants,or jaguar assembly plants.

what we have now is the full package eco system engineers designers scientists wind tunnels and compete design and build capability which has given us
tejas
Amca
Astra and rudra stand off weapons
aesa radars
cats wingman
drones
dhruv and light attack choppers
Imrh 13 tonne medium helo

multi billion dollar investments and thousands of jobs
took us 30 years but we got there

tejas - Not in frontline service fully (US engines and Israeli radar)
Amca - Drawing board
Astra and rudra stand off weapons - Not in front line service
aesa radars - Not in front line service
cats wingman - Drawing board
drones - Drawing board
dhruv and light attack choppers - In service (European design and engines)
Imrh 13 tonne medium helo - Drawing board

Taken you 30 years to get...er.....not that far.


JF-17 - Produced in Pakistan - 8 sqaudrons
RAAD - Produced in Pakistan - In front line service
Al Khalid - Produced in Pakistan - In front line service
Shapar and Burraq UAV - Produced in Pakistan in frontline service
Zarb Missile - Produced in Pakistan in frontline service
Babrbu cruise missile - Produced in Pakistan in frontline service

 

[The Maverick]

tejas - Not in frontline service fully (US engines and Israeli radar)
Amca - Drawing board
Astra and rudra stand off weapons - Not in front line service
aesa radars - Not in front line service
cats wingman - Drawing board
drones - Drawing board
dhruv and light attack choppers - In service (European design and engines)
Imrh 13 tonne medium helo - Drawing board

Taken you 30 years to get...er.....not that far.


JF-17 - Produced in Pakistan - 8 sqaudrons
RAAD - Produced in Pakistan - In front line service
Al Khalid - Produced in Pakistan - In front line service
Shapar and Burraq UAV - Produced in Pakistan in frontline service
Zarb Missile - Produced in Pakistan in frontline service
Babrbu cruise missile - Produced in Pakistan in frontline service

omg

a few missles,that even a tiny relative economically backwoods country like north Korea, can build

come back with
nuke subs in service
8000 tonne guided missle,destroyers,
6000 tonne guided missle frigates
dedicated,spy satalites
swarm drones,
helicopters in their hundreds
most of all clear transparent defense,budget with clear breakdown of operational cost
wages,pensions cost
capex,annual new weapons allocation
clear plan with varied options and supplies and partners

you not even fraction where we,are and never will be. your paying the price for being economically weak

 

[Yasser76]

omg

a few missles,that even a tiny relative economically backwoods country like north Korea, can build

come back with
nuke subs in service
8000 tonne guided missle,destroyers,
6000 tonne guided missle frigates
dedicated,spy satalites
swarm drones,
helicopters in their hundreds
most of all clear transparent defense,budget with clear breakdown of operational cost
wages,pensions cost
capex,annual new weapons allocation
clear plan with varied options and supplies and partners

you not even fraction where we,are and never will be. your paying the price for being economically weak

When half of the above are in service, when your armed forces are not using Chetak helicopters, Bren guns from WW2 than lets chat

 

[The Maverick]

When half of the above are in service, when your armed forces are not using Chetak helicopters, Bren guns from WW2 than lets chat

you were caught out by your bren gun jibe earlier you now a broken record
we have over 250 mi17 and 200 plus dhruv

I think you guys have a bout 20

 

[Yasser76]

you were caught out by your bren gun jibe earlier you now a broken record
we have over 250 mi17 and 200 plus dhruv

I think you guys have a bout 20

India still uses Bren guns, and Sterling WW2 guns. Nothing to be caught out about. According to you India has 240 Arjun tanks, so we can all safely assume your opinions no longer hold water

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

tejas - Not in frontline service fully (US engines and Israeli radar)
Amca - Drawing board
Astra and rudra stand off weapons - Not in front line service
aesa radars - Not in front line service
cats wingman - Drawing board
drones - Drawing board
dhruv and light attack choppers - In service (European design and engines)
Imrh 13 tonne medium helo - Drawing board

Taken you 30 years to get...er.....not that far.


JF-17 - Produced in Pakistan - 8 sqaudrons
RAAD - Produced in Pakistan - In front line service
Al Khalid - Produced in Pakistan - In front line service
Shapar and Burraq UAV - Produced in Pakistan in frontline service
Zarb Missile - Produced in Pakistan in frontline service
Babrbu cruise missile - Produced in Pakistan in frontline service

What Pakistan is doing nut bolt job with Jf 17 and Al khalid, that is doing Indian from 50 years.
Al khalid - change the name and called indigenous product -what a great example. actually, it is not more then nut bolt job ---even India is doing from many years, latest is T 90.

India Aero industry is way ahead to PAC. Pakistan has do design and develop any aircraft. if they will start now then also it will take more then 15 years..

 

[The Maverick]

India still uses Bren guns, and Sterling WW2 guns. Nothing to be caught out about. According to you India has 240 Arjun tanks, so we can all safely assume your

What Pakistan is doing nut bolt job with Jf 17 and Al khalid, that is doing Indian from 50 years.
Al khalid - change the name and own the product -what a great example. actually, it is not more then nut bolt job ---even India is doing from many years, latest is T 90.

India Aero industry is way ahead to PAC. Pakistan has do design and develop any aircraft. if they will start now then also it will take more then 15 years..

they have zero money for researching

 

[IblinI]

I think the fanboy has learned a new word in his school, "eco system".

 

[The Maverick]

I think the fanboy has learned a new word in his school, "eco system".

Here just for you ENJOY

 

[IblinI]

Here just for you ENJOY

 

[Yasser76]

What Pakistan is doing nut bolt job with Jf 17 and Al khalid, that is doing Indian from 50 years.
Al khalid - change the name and called indigenous product -what a great example. actually, it is not more then nut bolt job ---even India is doing from many years, latest is T 90.

India Aero industry is way ahead to PAC. Pakistan has do design and develop any aircraft. if they will start now then also it will take more then 15 years..

Call it what you want, the Pakistani method with Chinese help is doing what it was always designed to do, put reasonable quality low cost equipment into the hands of the end user. That is all that is required. No need to reinvent the wheel, especially if you are a very close ally of the world's next super power.

India needs to do the same.