ADB Reports Pakistan's Middle Class Larger Than India's

[Spring Onion]

Some are unscrupulous private banya or mahajan lenders, but most of the loans are from Indian banks which are foreclosing these farms leading to rising farmers' suicides...as shown in Peepli Live.

The movie also addresses the abuse of various government programs for the poor by corrupt politicians and bureaucrats.

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i mentioned the private lenders because Indians justify the rising miseries of Indian farmers by saying they are being exploited by private lenders and not by Banks

 

[Trisonics]

i mentioned the private lenders because Indians justify the rising miseries of Indian farmers by saying they are being exploited by private lenders and not by Banks

Do not attempt to generalize and put words into something that is never said. Let me not comment on your journalism standards which is quite well known for its rubbish intent, but such statements are irresponsible, provocative and show a purposeful intent to malign and degrade the topic.

 

[karan.1970]

Some are unscrupulous private banya or mahajan lenders, but most of the loans are from Indian banks which are foreclosing these farms leading to rising farmers' suicides...as shown in Peepli Live.

The movie also addresses the abuse of various government programs for the poor by corrupt politicians and bureaucrats.

Peepli live now becomes the basis of deciding why Indian farmers are committing suicide. Now if Bollywood films are allowed to be quoted as frame of reference, I have a few movie names in my mind of dear old Sunny Deol for Kashmir threads. Any takers?

 

[RiazHaq]

Peepli live now becomes the basis of deciding why Indian farmers are committing suicide. Now if Bollywood films are allowed to be quoted as frame of reference, I have a few movie names in my mind of dear old Sunny Deol for Kashmir threads. Any takers?

As far as I can tell, Peepli Live is nothing like standard song-and-dance Bollywood standard fare. It got rave review at Sundance Inde film festival this year.

The director of the film, Anusha Rizvi, is not from Bollywood. She is a journalist. Most of the actors in the film are not from Bollywood but from the theater world. Here is a clip from her interview:

"Did you always want to be a filmmaker?

I never wanted to be a film director. That happened by accident. I studied History at St Stephen s College, Delhi, and then did a human rights course at Jamia University. Later, I joined NDTV because that seemed like the most logical thing to do. I worked in the production department for four years, and then became a reporter in Mumbai. After that, I quit after because I wanted to make documentaries.

During this time, I also got involved in reviving Dastangoi, the dead art form of storytelling in Urdu, along with Mahmood."

 

[SEAL]

Pakistani middle class is definitely larger than India its a common fact.
Pakistani economy is not too bad we just need honest leaders and corruption free society and if we improve our trade with friends like Turkey,China and Central Asian states we won't need any aid.

Economy of Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[majesticpankaj]

Pakistani middle class is definitely larger than India its a common fact.
Pakistani economy is not too bad we just need honest leaders and corruption free society and if we improve our trade with friends like Turkey,China and Central Asian states we won't need any aid.

Economy of Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lol...then why ur per capita income is lower than us?? we have highest poverty still our per capita is higher than the super pakistan..strange, is't it??

 

[karan.1970]

@ RH There are a bunch of off beat non song and dance Bollywood movies that explicitly blame Pakistan for terrorism in India. Does that make it true??

Any way I am not debating the authenticity of the problem since the problem exisits. Just that using a movie as a barometer (even by Anusha Rizvi) for truth is as far fetched as it gets..

 

[RiazHaq]

@ RH There are a bunch of off beat non song and dance Bollywood movies that explicitly blame Pakistan for terrorism in India. Does that make it true??

Any way I am not debating the authenticity of the problem since the problem exisits. Just that using a movie as a barometer (even by Anusha Rizvi) for truth is as far fetched as it gets..

The movie alone does not make it true, it simply lends imagery to a well-established fact that 200,000 Indian farmers have committed suicides in the last twenty years...and the numbers are rising as we speak. Part of the problem the movie points out is that Indian government offers help to the families of dead farmers...not those who are struggling to stay alive.

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[inddef]

indians on this thread don't need to be defensive about the problems in india. there are many. we have 6 times the people as pakistan, we will have 6 times the problems.

@RH : you are probably smart enough to realize that governments are too corrupt to solve problems anywhere. the private sectors pulls the weight everywhere.

 

[RiazHaq]

indians on this thread don't need to be defensive about the problems in india. there are many. we have 6 times the people as pakistan, we will have 6 times the problems.

@RH : you are probably smart enough to realize that governments are too corrupt to solve problems anywhere. the private sectors pulls the weight everywhere.

I'm afraid you are wrong about the private sector pulling weight.

The education, health care and safety nets are provided effectively by the governments in most of the developed world...private sector's role is secondary. Even in the US, the bulk of education and health care spending comes from the tax dollars.

 

[inddef]

I'm afraid you are wrong about the private sector pulling weight.

The education, health care and safety nets are provided effectively by the governments in most of the developed world...private sector's role is secondary. Even in the US, the bulk of education and health care spending comes from the tax dollars.

we understand economics differently. i think the US gov is botching all of the above and the tax dollars come from the private sector anyway. so the private sector does pull the weight after all.

india isn't developed either.

 

[RiazHaq]

we understand economics differently. i think the US gov is botching all of the above and the tax dollars come from the private sector anyway. so the private sector does pull the weight after all.

india isn't developed either.

The US is not botching...it's doing more than most countries to maintain a basic safety net.

Yes, India is not developed, and it won't be until it spends a lot more on human development.

Without the muscle of the IRS and US govt, the private sector would not pay any taxes at all. ...the US would be more like poor backward third world nations like India or Pakistan where tax evasion is rampant.

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[Bhim]

Lets lok at it this way, what if RH had been an Indian with an Indian flag, how would have been the response then?
We hve critics here in India also, they critisize on anything under the Sun.
But this does not change reality.
I know for sure there are a few incidences of farmer suicides, same is true for Pakistan. I was reading about this on Dawn news some time back.
The reason for suicide are numerous, but main is poor crop yield.
Now if we talk of global warming on crop, then Pakistan is not isolated from the region. The effects are here in front of you, in the form of floods. This phenomenon is far more devastating than no yield due to poor rains.
If survivors of flood ravaged land start commiting suicides, due to economic lossd, loss of crop or non payment of dues, I think we should not be going too much deep into it.
As far as films and their relevance is concerned, all are works of dramatization and profits on box office. If you go by fims and base yor assumptions on them, well this is something I was doing in my junior classes.
I will want RH to come and visit India and see for himself the work being under taken in all parts of development.
Just going by assumptions and awkward data, is for self gratification, giving one self a feeling of false pride.
I again repeat there is no dearth of critics in India on about every thing, the beauty is the true democracy which does not ban or block such writings.

 

[inddef]

The US is not botching...it's doing more than most countries to maintain a basic safety net.

Yes, India is not developed, and it won't be until it spends a lot more on human development.

Without the muscle of the IRS and US govt, the private sector would not pay any taxes at all. ...the US would be more like poor backward third world nations like India or Pakistan where tax evasion is rampant.

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well, i frankly think a government can do jack efficiently. private schools for the poor do better than government ones in india on all parameters.

its just a matter of a few decades before the private sector growth trickles through to everyone.

 

[majesticpankaj]

few years back apart from other schemes, goi has pardoned all the loans of farmers which value was 71000 crore Rs. this is not the right way but GoI did transmit the money from higher level to lower level. so it is wrong to say that GoI is doing nothing. well with the introduction of right to education act, we will have a school at every 3km in few years