Actual USE of nuclear weapons increases your power millions of times

[kaal2009]

On September 1, 2008 I wrote:-

"In my letter dated June 27, 2004 ... I wrote “Technology, however, is necessary but not sufficient for independence; if the perceived willingness -- perceived by yourself and others -- to use your arms is zero, their value -- deterrent and other -- is zero. The United States has a decisive advantage -- ideological, economic and military -- over the rest of the world because of its demonstrated willingness to use its nuclear arms.” This applies as much to the use of nuclear arms within the country against agents of a foreign power -- the nuclear destruction of New Delhi/ Delhi will be the first such use of nuclear arms -- as outside the country. Also, as I have repeatedly emphasised, nuclear arms against the United States are needed not to “deter” it but to actually destroy it because the United States, by its nature, will be constantly striving for nuclear supremacy, that is, to overcome deterrence. In other words, the United States cannot be deterred, only destroyed. For this India needs nuclear supremacy over the United States and a minimum of ten thousand nuclear warheads -- an objective that is well within India’s reach; attaining this objective requires the nuclear destruction of New Delhi/ Delhi first."

On January 22, 2008 I wrote:-

"For the United States, striving for nuclear supremacy over all nations of the world is an axiom of its foreign policy. An example of the United States' determination to prevent India from emerging out of slavery is in the following report from The Guardian of January 22 '08 where a former Chairman of the United States' Joint Chiefs of Staff and others talk of a nuclear first strike on India (without actually naming it) to keep it in a state of slavery:-"The west must be ready to resort to a pre-emptive nuclear attack to try to halt the "imminent" spread of nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction, according to a radical manifesto for a new Nato by five of the west's most senior military officers and strategists.Calling for root-and-branch reform of Nato and a new pact drawing the US, Nato and the European Union together in a "grand strategy" to tackle the challenges of an increasingly brutal world, the former armed forces chiefs from the US, Britain, Germany, France and the Netherlands insist that a "first strike" nuclear option remains an "indispensable instrument" since there is "simply no realistic prospect of a nuclear-free world".The manifesto has been written following discussions with active commanders and policymakers, many of whom are unable or unwilling to publicly air their views. It has been presented to the Pentagon in Washington and to Nato's secretary general, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, over the past 10 days. The proposals are likely to be discussed at a Nato summit in Bucharest in April."The risk of further [nuclear] proliferation is imminent and, with it, the danger that nuclear war fighting, albeit limited in scope, might become possible," the authors argued in the 150-page blueprint for urgent reform of western military strategy and structures. "The first use of nuclear weapons must remain in the quiver of escalation as the ultimate instrument to prevent the use of weapons of mass destruction."The authors - General John Shalikashvili, the former chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff and Nato's ex-supreme commander in Europe, General Klaus Naumann, Germany's former top soldier and ex-chairman of Nato's military committee, General Henk van den Breemen, a former Dutch chief of staff, Admiral Jacques Lanxade, a former French chief of staff, and Lord Inge, field marshal and ex-chief of the general staff and the defence staff in the UK - paint an alarming picture of the threats and challenges confronting the west in the post-9/11 world and deliver a withering verdict on the ability to cope.""

In fact, one can go well beyond what I said above. On April 19, 2009 I said:

"Delivering nuclear warheads to New York and Washington can be done without waiting by using a single warhead and doing without most of the extra weight of bells and whistles of countermeasures, precise guidance, etc. With the present state of the United States’ anti-ballistic missile defences, just two missiles carrying just one warhead each to New York City and Washington, D.C. will almost certainly get through. More will follow, destroying other cities, if there is any retaliation. Willingness to USE your nuclear arms, not just brandishing them, increases your power millions of times. Destroying two United States cities NOW will solve all of India’s problems. Almost as effective will be destroying Tel Aviv and Haifa now, with the threat to destroy New York and Washington if there is any retaliation. The key is to DO it, without any ado.

"The actual USE of nuclear weapons increases your power millions of times. By controlling your behaviour into not using them, your enemies neutralise them as surely as with any anti-ballistic missile system. It is like neutralizing a bomber aircraft by paralyzing the crew’s ability to press the necessary buttons. There is nothing India needs more urgently than to use its nuclear arms against the United States or its agents in New Delhi."

Regarding the above, the following points need to be emphasized:-

1. The actual USE of nuclear weapons increases your power millions of times. By controlling your behavior into not using them -- this can be done by physical (including contact), chemical, financial or verbal/behavioral/psychological means including technological and other ‘aid‘/‘help‘ of various kinds-- your enemies neutralise your nuclear arms as surely as with any anti-ballistic missile systems.

2. Instead of first destroying the traitors in New Delhi, then building up India’s nuclear arms and then destroying the United States, one can by-pass the traitors in New Delhi by delivering just two nuclear warheads, of even twenty kilotons each, one to Washington and one to New York, with the capabilities India already has.

3. There is nothing India needs more urgently than to USE its nuclear arms against the United States.

 

[jeypore]

with the threat to destroy New York and Washington if there is any retaliation. The key is to DO it, without any ado.

yeh, just do it!! who cares about retaliation. And here I was worried about this whole nuclear prolifiration crap!!!!

 

[kaal2009]

All these inferior, seditious people -- Manmohan Singh, Advani, Mukherjee, etc. -- talk of being prime minister. Is any of them talking about India using its nuclear arms against the United States, which will increase India's power millions of times? Are the media? Are the 'strategic experts'? Are academics? Is the man (or woman) in the street? Is the voter? Are the generals, admirals and air marshals? Any one? Who?

On February 15, 2009 I explained why Indians are struck dumb and freeze up at any mention of defending themselves against the White Master:-
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The Indians' love and admiration for their British conquerors has been replaced by their love and admiration for their American enemies.

For some perspective, see the first post in the following thread:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/16042-raw-indias-external-intelligence-agency.html

About Indians' love and admiration for the white man generally, I wrote the following a few months ago:-

Source of Manmohan Singh’s ‘Deep Love’ For Bush

Indian politicians have condemned Manmohan Singh’s telling Bush that the people of India “deeply love” him. They should see the source of Indians’ love for the white man as I explained below many months ago:-

“There is a basic difference between the treason of Indira, Rajiv and Vajpayee and that of Manmohan Singh. The holocaust after 1857 in which the British killed ten million Indians in the first decade to terrorize and subdue them [The Guardian (August 24, 2007, Internet, report by Randeep Ramesh): "India's secret history: 'A holocaust, one where millions disappeared...': Author says British reprisals involved the killing of 10 m, spread over 10 years:..."] was in large part committed with the help of Sikhs. This terrorization and subduing continued right up to the end of direct British rule, exemplified by the Sikh soldier, riding in a jeep with the British viceroy, cutting down with his submachine gun any Indian, man woman or child, that came in view on either side of the road. The role of the Sikhs, who were originally founded to save India from foreign invaders -- the invaders were then Muslims -- reversed from 1857 on and they became a principal instrument of the British terrorization and subjugation of India. The Sikhs know how successful this terrorization and subjugation was -- it is this terrorization and subjugation because of which Indians today dare not even mention nuclear supremacy for India much less demand it -- and their role in it determines their attitude toward whites and toward Indians. This is why Manmohan Singh considers himself answerable to no one except Bush and the white man as he imposes the terrorization and subjugation of the nuclear deal on India, makes no attempt to hide his loyalty to the white man and shows open contempt for Indians…. Like Manmohan Singh and others praising British rule over India (he did that when receiving an honorary doctorate from Cambridge University; he was prime minister of India at the time), there are many Indians who praise American rule over India. Like the many Indians loyal to Queen Victoria, there are many Indians loyal to the white woman illegitimately living in the prime ministerial residence, illegitimately flying in the Air Force's special jets and giving orders to destroy India [she was treated as the empress of India even before she held any party or government post and all visiting heads of state were required to call on her at her residence; this was so even during BJP governments at the Center]. … In war, officers are under orders to execute on the spot any soldiers who are too terrorized to fight or obey orders to advance on enemy positions. … The terrorization and subjugation Indians have undergone at the hands of the British is responsible for Indians refusing to even mention, much less demand, nuclear supremacy over the United States. It is necessary to execute -- machine gun and bulldoze into trenches -- at least a few thousand such Indians, who are in key positions -- such as RAW employees, politicians and media people -- to obstruct India's nuclear supremacy (they may be terrorized or bought up or both though being bought up is greatly facilitated by being terrorized; the terror, when long standing, is usually repressed meaning unconscious and being subjugated often involves both terror and carrot but terror is the foundation of the treason of RAW employees and people such as Vajpayee and Mani Shankar Aiyar though all they may feel is love and loyalty for the white man; terror facilitates such love [emphasis added]; a former head of RAW, Vikram Sood, in a column in Hindustan Times, repeatedly quoted the white/Christian head of the missionary school he attended as the fount of all wisdom on various issues and referred to Indians as worshippers of snakes and monkeys on a Times of India blog -- I have referred in a letter below to RAW arranging for practitioners of an Indian discipline, whose understanding of gravity and inertia I called superior to that of Albert Einstein, to be physically attacked and driven away in Noida and Madhya Pradesh on the C.I.A.'s orders -- but such behavior of RAW employees, the behavior of desi people like Laloo Yadav and even thoroughly devout and traditional Indians and of all Indians in everyone's household, neighbourhood and community is profoundly determined by the terrorization and subjugation the British inflicted on Indians and this terrorization and subjugation is responsible for the fact that no Indian dares to even mention, much less demand, nuclear supremacy for India &#8230, for India’s nuclear supremacy to go forward.”

Since I wrote the above, I have said that, instead of being machine-gunned and bulldozed into trenches, Indians in a position to obstruct India’s nuclear supremacy over the most powerful white country will be destroyed with the nuclear destruction of New Delhi.
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I have also said:-
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There is an analogy between the lifting of the 'repression' that allows repressed thoughts and feelings to emerge into consciousness in psychotherapy and the problem of lifting the media cover up which keeps the facts of the white man and the most powerful white country, the United States, being India's most ferocious enemy from emerging into the public's consciousness. Lifting of this media cover up will be analogous to lifting of repression in psychotherapy, the patient being the public of India as a whole rather than an individual. Beneficial changes that occur in psychotherapy are often ascribed to the lifting of repression, but the lifting of repression itself is a consequence of changes in the situation that enable the threatening thoughts and feelings to emerge. It is fear, anxiety and such emotions evoked by the repressed thoughts that keep them from emerging into consciousness and it is a change in the situation -- such as the empathy and support of a powerful and respected authority figure, the therapist -- which reduces the fear and anxiety and enables the repressed thoughts to emerge. The bottomless dread of the white man, caused by the incomparable military supremacy over Indians of the British and now the Americans -- note the United States' view [see my blog] of the people of countries like Iran, India and Pakistan as "These guys are ants ... When the time comes, you crush them" -- and the exercise of their power by the British after 1857, killing over ten million Indians in just the ten years after 1857 (I have cited elesewhere The Guardian (August 24, 2007, Internet, report by Randeep Ramesh): "India's secret history: 'A holocaust, one where millions disappeared...': Author says British reprisals involved the killing of 10 m, spread over 10 years:...") which continued right up to 1947 -- is responsible for the 'repression' which is the media cover up of the facts regarding the ferocious enemy that the United States is of India. The nuclear destruction of New Delhi will change the situation so that India will be able to use its human and material resources to build a nuclear arsenal to destroy the enemy that is the United States while also lifting the media cover up of the facts which show that India has no greater enemy than the United States.

Since the 'repression' is due to fear of the military might of the white man -- the white man's economic advantages are a consequence of his military might which can be used for the economic exploitation of the weak as I have shown above -- the change in the situation has to involve the exercise of military might. At the moment, India has the ability to exercise its nuclear might against the traitors in New Delhi who block the build up of India's nuclear arsenal so it can destroy the enemy that is the United States. The nuclear destruction of New Delhi will make possible such build up. I have shown elsewhere how the financial and other wherewithal for such build up is available to India.
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But I have said since the above that one can by-pass such traitor-obstructors in New Delhi by delivering just two nuclear warheads with two missiles to Washington and New York, with the capabilities India already has, without first destroying the traitors and building up India’s nuclear arsenal.

A further point needs to be made. It is for a leader to lead his people out of slavery. If a leader talks of increasing India's power millions of times by the actual USE of its nuclear weapons against the United States, the people will understand and will follow. Those on the payroll of the C.I.A. -- all the politicians I mentioned above, the generals, the so-called 'strategic experts', the media people, etc. -- will NOT talk about it. These politicians are unfit to lead. The people would not even know what is possible if they never hear about the possibilities. RAW is dedicated to ensuring that the people never hear of the possibilities (see post # 1 in http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/16042-raw-indias-external-intelligence-agency.html ). There IS an Indian and only one Indian who knows India's present state and the possibilities, talks about the possibilities, is fit to lead and has been India's true leader. But the people have never heard about him.

 

[jeypore]

All these inferior, seditious people -- Manmohan Singh, Advani, Mukherjee, Karat, etc. -- talk of being prime minister. Is any of them talking about India using its nuclear arms against the United States, which will increase India's power millions of times? Are the media? Are the 'strategic experts'? Are academics? Is the man (or woman) in the street? Is the voter? Are the generals, admirals and air marshals? Any one? Who?

Now you are getting desperate, Mr. Kaal.

No one is listening!!!

 

[Keysersoze]

if anyone of you CIA /RAW operativeswant to know where Kaal2209 is let me know.........I have his location!!!!!!!!!

 

[godsavetheworld]

All these inferior, seditious people -- Manmohan Singh, Advani, Mukherjee, Karat, etc. -- talk of being prime minister. Is any of them talking about India using its nuclear arms against the United States, which will increase India's power millions of times? Are the media? Are the 'strategic experts'? Are academics? Is the man (or woman) in the street? Is the voter? Are the generals, admirals and air marshals? Any one? Who?

Dude, even the BJP would think twice before hiring you!!

 

[kaal2009]

I have said that just two nuclear warheads of even twenty kilotons each delivered to Washington and New York will increase India's power millions of times. These will be accompanied with a warning of similar deliveries to additional cities such as Chicago if there is any retaliation. These two twenty kiloton deliveries will destroy not just these cities but the United States and will be even more effective than multiple warheads in the megaton range delivered to each major city of the United States.

 

[Patriot]

I have said that just two nuclear warheads of even twenty kilotons each delivered to Washington and New York will increase India's power millions of times. These will be accompanied with a warning of similar deliveries to additional cities such as Chicago if there is any retaliation. These two twenty kiloton deliveries will destroy not just these cities but the United States and will be even more effective than multiple warheads in the megaton range delivered to each major city of the United States.

and then India will no longer exist.India will be nuked from all sides of earth.

 

[kaal2009]

On December 25, 2008, I wrote:-

"Another point that needs to be made is the capacity of countries like India and Pakistan, with a low degree of urbanisation, to survive a full-fledged nuclear war against a country such as the United States which has a high degree of urbanisation. If both India and the United States launch 5,000 nuclear warheads at each other, targeting the 4,000 largest population centers in the other country (let us assume for simplicity that anti-missile systems are not a significant factor with such a large number of warheads, though, in fact, I have predicted India's anti-missile systems will be far more effective than the United States'), what percentage of India's population will be in its 4,000 largest population centers as compared to the percentage of the United States' population that will be in its 4,000 largest population centers? The fact of the matter is that even if 60% or 90% or 95% of India's population perishes in a full-scale nuclear war with the United States, the remaining population -- say 50 million -- will equal India's population in its classical period and India will survive, with a life-style comparable to that in its classical period. On the other hand, the United States cannot survive the destruction of its 4,000 largest population centers because of the high degree of urbanisation, technology intensive life-styles and other cultural factors. To put it another way, if India loses ALL its electricity permanently, it will survive; the United States cannot. I am predicting that the population of the United States that survives being killed immediately by the nuclear explosions will survive for a limited time period by people eating one another till no one remains alive."

In fact, the United States will not survive even the destruction of Washington and New York in a first strike by India with just two twenty kiloton warheads accompanied by a warning to destroy additional cities like Chicago if there is any retaliation. A first strike by India makes the crucial difference. It will increase India's power millions of times while the United States, though the people will not be eating one another, will be destroyed.

 

[kaal2009]

On January 25, 2008, I said, in part:-

"Another important point is that weapons such as tanks and fighter planes which carry human beings are a lot more difficult to design and produce than, say, intercontinental ballistic missiles which give a million times or more returns for the same investment of time and effort ('bang for the buck') so far as increasing a country's military power is concerned. Since India's principal aim should be nuclear supremacy, it should focus on designing and producing intercontinental ballistic missiles more than tanks and fighter planes; if you have nuclear supremacy over the United States, most other defence-related issues will take care of themselves. And, as I said, designing and building ICBMs that will do the job can be done a lot faster and require fewer resources, though India has the resources to build both ICBMs and tanks and fighter planes. The main advantage of focusing on ICBMs is time; it will bring India military supremacy a lot sooner than giving a lot of attention to tanks and fighter planes (which will never bring India military supremacy over the United States). Another point is that although India should build nuclear-propelled, nuclear-armed submarines carrying intercontinental ballistic missiles (SSBNs), like the ATV it is building, building these weapons platforms (SSBNs) is a lot more time and resource-consuming than building ICBMs that can be launched from road and rail-mobile vehicles. It is a mistake to make India's nuclear arsenal primarily a second strike resource (which is what SSBNs are good at); India's nuclear arsenal should primarily be for a first strike -- that is how you gain nuclear supremacy, by being able to carry out a successful first strike -- and a sufficiently large arsenal of road and rail-mobile ICBMs can be produced a lot faster than an arsenal based on SSBNs. Again, time is important. This does not mean India should not produce SSBNs, just that the emphasis should be on producing a large number of road and rail-mobile ICBMs. I also believe that India's anti-ballistic missile systems will be considerably better than those of the United States -- as DRDO has correctly said, its systems to defend against short and medium range missiles are already better than those of the United States -- if India can avoid sabotage by politicians and RAW on the C.I.A.'s payroll who try to shove american 'help' down India's throat. This is another reason India can afford to focus on road and rail-mobile ICBMs rather than on SSBNs (SSBNs are inherently difficult to destroy; with a really effective ABM system, India's road and rail-mobile ICBMs will also be difficult to destroy). Avoiding foreign 'help' is not a matter of 'false pride'; avoiding foreign help is essential for India's nuclear supremacy. ... Instead of ICBMs, India's nuclear weapons may primarily be delivered by the hyperplane (Avatar) under development. And its defence against enemy ICBMs may be provided by the space-based weapons, Durga (Directionally Unrestricted Ray-Gun Array) and Kali (Kinetic Attack Loitering Interceptor) systems."

But India can destroy Washington and New York with two twenty kiloton warheads with the capabilities it already has and it can do so NOW, without waiting.

 

[kaal2009]

Any other questions, children?
(Don't be distracted by attempts of C.I.A.-RAW operatives here to derail the thread with irrelevant posts).

About how Pakistan can deliver its nuclear weapons to the United States, I have said the following on this board which I am bringing together with the dates:-

"January 11, 2009: For country A to deter country B with its nuclear weapons, country A has to be able to deliver its nuclear weapons to country B. Everyone knows Pakistan can deliver its nuclear weapons to India. But the country that is currently carrying out twice weekly attacks on Pakistan's territory is the United States. How can Pakistan deter the United States? Even without Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles (ICBMs), it is not difficult to think of ways Pakistan could deliver half a dozen nuclear weapons to the United States' coastal cities such as New York and Washington. This thread is meant to explore ways in which Pakistan could deliver its nuclear weapons to the United States, the knowledge of which would deter the United States.

January 14, 2009: Any one who has an 'understanding' with a foreign power for attacks on his own country's territory is a slave. As I have said in another thread, both India and Pakistan are such slaves of the white man.

I have said that the drone attacks are the start of a campaign by the United States to occupy and recolonise the subcontinent. Therefore India has to worry about the drone attacks as much as Pakistan and India has as much responsibility to stop them as does Pakistan.

Since the attacker is a nuclear power, stopping the drone attacks has to include the possible use of nuclear weapons. "Why do we need to deliver nuclear weapons to the US?" Because the United States is attacking your territory and it is a nuclear power. Since the drone attacks are as much a threat to India as they are to Pakistan, India will have to stop them if Pakistan will not.

Most Pakistanis would understand this. RAW has some operatives on this forum with Pakistani identities. Since RAW functions as a branch of the C.I.A. against India (and Pakistan), it tries to stop any discussion of how these countries could defend themselves against the United States. I don't know if you are one of those but post # 2 ... [in an earlier thread] is by a RAW operative who registered after I started this thread and then posted something to try to stop any discussion of how Pakistan could deliver its nuclear weapons to the United States the knowledge of which will deter the United States from attacking Pakistan. Only someone who thinks that the white master has the right to do any thing he wants to his Indian and Pakistani slaves will object to such a discussion.

January 15, 2009: RAW is not the only intelligence agency posting on such boards. So does the C.I.A. This S-2 person is from the C.I.A. Both RAW and the C.I.A. try to prevent any discussion of how countries like India and Pakistan can defend themselves against the United States.

I have said that the prospect of Pakistan delivering half a dozen nuclear weapons to its coastal cities such as New York and Washington will stop the U.S. and its drone attacks cold. It does not matter if the United States' air force is a hundred times more capable than Pakistan's or its army has equipment poor Asians can't dream of; that is the beauty of nuclear weapons; they are a great EQUALISER.

So let us consider how Pakistan could deliver nuclear weapons to U.S. coastal cities. One way it can do so is by cruise missiles mounted on naval vessels -- which could be submarines or surface vessels. Pakistan has nuclear capable cruise missiles which can be mounted on surface ships. The ship(s) will have to get within range of the target city. If the range of its nuclear capable cruise missiles is 500 miles, the ship will have to get within 500 miles of the target city. Note that this does not have to be a ship belonging to the navy. There is no reason why cruise missiles cannot be installed on merchant ships and properly camouflaged and launched when the ship gets within range of the target.

Pakistan also has ballistic missiles of various ranges that are nuclear capable. Such missiles CAN be launched from surface ships, even merchant ships, from specially designed launching platforms and camouflaged/hidden till they get within range of the target.

What are some of the other possibilities? Now is the time to get creative."

Much of what I have said in the posts above about India applies to Pakistan as well: increasing the range of long-range ballistic missiles by doing without most of the the extra weight of the bells and whistles of counter-measures, precise guidance, etc. given the present state of anti-ballistic missile defences of the slave-masters; a lot more focus, of time and resources, on long-range nuclear armed missiles capable of hitting the slave-masters of the world than on tanks and fighter planes that can be used only against other slave countries or, even if used against the slave-master, will not bring military victory over him, etc.

Note that, for India, I am saying a first strike on the slave-master is what is needed, not deterrence. Pakistan may be content by deterring the slave-master, which is looking for excuses to invade Pakistan on the pretext of dealing with the Taliban, etc. If the Taliban are now in Pakistan, that is because the slave-master has invaded and occupied their country; naturally, they have to go elsewhere in the subcontinent. It is obscene to call Afghan patriots defending their country against foreign invaders "insurgents". The United States claims a right to go all over the world and impose regime changes, culture changes and what not for its own "security"; the Taliban can't even go elsewhere in the subcontinent?

 

[jeypore]

Any other questions, children?

Yes, Key's has just posted your location to the CIA and RAW operatives. Do you have a way to protect yourself?

 

[IceCold]

I have said that just two nuclear warheads of even twenty kilotons each delivered to Washington and New York will increase India's power millions of times. These will be accompanied with a warning of similar deliveries to additional cities such as Chicago if there is any retaliation. These two twenty kiloton deliveries will destroy not just these cities but the United States and will be even more effective than multiple warheads in the megaton range delivered to each major city of the United States.

Seriously if you would have been talking about nuking Pakistan or China for that matter, i would have understood but why the US, a country that is backing India on all fronts from nuclear deals to defense procurements, why would you want to destroy a friendly country and that too that happens to be the sole world power with thrice the power to wipe you out from the face of the planet. Seriously man what are you trying to imply or should i safely assume by nuking Washington and Newyork you mean Islamabad and Karachi?

 

[paritosh]

"Acual USE of nuclear weapons increases your power millions of times"?
Actual USE of nuclear weapons kills millions!
whatever this guy posts makes no sense at all...we cant send nukes to america not right now...and why would we..?
you live in the States and talk of nuking them?

it appears that he's an attention deprived kid whose parents are out on a long vacation...

 

[shukla_swapnil]

Any other questions, children?
(Don't be distracted by attempts of C.I.A.-RAW operatives here to derail the thread with irrelevant posts).

Hehehehe

I just stopped after reading the first 3 lines. funny funny funny funny

I think the boardreally lacks charactrs like you. We already had all the ingredients of a bollywoot potboiler minus the comedian, We have i now....