Achtiname of Muhammad (The Rules set by Mohammed in regards to Christians)

[Mosamania]

Achtiname of Muhammad​

English Translation of the Achtiname by Richard Pococke:

1. Muhammad the son of ‘Abd Allah, the Messenger of Allah, and careful guardian of the whole world; has wrote the present instrument to all those who are in his national people, and of his own religion, as a secure and positive promise to be accomplished to the Christian nation, and relations of the Nazarene, whosoever they may be, whether they be the noble or the vulgar, the honorable or otherwise, saying thus.I. Whosoever of my nation shall presume to break my promise and oath, which is contained in this present agreement, destroys the promise of God, acts contrary to the oath, and will be a resister of the faith, (which God forbid) for he becomes worthy of the curse, whether he be the King himself, or a poor man, or whatever person he may be.
2. That whenever any of the monks in his travels shall happen to settle upon any mountain, hill, village, or other habitable place, on the sea, or in deserts, or in any convent, church, or house of prayer, I shall be in the midst of them, as the preserver and protector of them, their goods and effects, with my soul, aid, and protection, jointly with all my national people; because they are a part of my own people, and an honor to me.
3. Moreover, I command all officers not to require any poll-tax on them, or any other tribute, because they shall not be forced or compelled to anything of this kind.
4. None shall presume to change their judges or governors, but they shall remain in their office, without being deported.
5. No one shall molest them when they are travelling on the road.
6. Whatever churches they are possessed of, no one is to deprive them of them.
7. Whosoever shall annul any of one of these my decrees, let him know positively that he annuls the ordinance of God.
8. Moreover, neither their judges, governors, monks, servants, disciples, or any others depending on them, shall pay any poll-tax, or be molested on that account, because I am their protector, wherever they shall be, either by land or sea, east or west, north or south; because both they and all that belong to them are included in this my promissory oath and patent.
9. And of those that live quietly and solitary upon the mountains, they shall exact neither poll-tax nor tithes from their incomes, neither shall any Muslim partake of what they have; for they labor only to maintain themselves.
10. Whenever the crop of the earth shall be plentiful in its due time, the inhabitants shall be obliged out of every bushel to give them a certain measure.
11. Neither in time of war shall they take them out of their habitations, nor compel them to go to the wars, nor even then shall they require of them any poll-tax.
12. In these eleven chapters is to be found whatever relates to the monks, as to the remaining seven chapters, they direct what relates to every Christian.
13. Those Christians who are inhabitants, and with their riches and traffic are able to pay the poll-tax, shall pay no more than twelve drachms.
14. Excepting this, nothing shall be required of them, according to the express order of God, that says, ‘Do not molest those that have a veneration for the books that are sent from God, but rather in a kind manner give of your good things to them, and converse with them, and hinder everyone from molesting them’ [29:46].
15. If a Christian woman shall happen to marry a Muslim man, the Muslim shall not cross the inclination of his wife, to keep her from her church and prayers, and the practice of her religion.
16. That no person hinder them from repairing their churches.
17. Whosoever acts contrary to my grant, or gives credit to anything contrary to it, becomes truly an apostate to God, and to his divine apostle, because this protection I have granted to them according to this promise.
18. No one shall bear arms against them, but, on the contrary, the Muslims shall wage war for them.
19. And by this I ordain, that none of my nation shall presume to do or act contrary to this my promise, until the end of the world.

Achtiname of Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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I rest my case. The Islamic way of governance was and will always be "Secular", while this is an Oxymoron, it is however true that Mohammed laid rules of Human Rights, and Secular way of life in regards to governance. And those who seek to enforce "Sharia" are in fact trying to impose a way of governance that is in fact NOT "Sharia".

In regards to Alcohol, Adultery etc. It is said that the punishment for them only comes to them at their own request as a way of "repenting" for their sins, and not enforced by force. "Muslims" these day make a mockery of the nobility of their own religion, which at the time was the most advanced way of governance there is.

 

[Dillinger]

Achtiname of Muhammad​

English Translation of the Achtiname by Richard Pococke:

1. Muhammad the son of ‘Abd Allah, the Messenger of Allah, and careful guardian of the whole world; has wrote the present instrument to all those who are in his national people, and of his own religion, as a secure and positive promise to be accomplished to the Christian nation, and relations of the Nazarene, whosoever they may be, whether they be the noble or the vulgar, the honorable or otherwise, saying thus.I. Whosoever of my nation shall presume to break my promise and oath, which is contained in this present agreement, destroys the promise of God, acts contrary to the oath, and will be a resister of the faith, (which God forbid) for he becomes worthy of the curse, whether he be the King himself, or a poor man, or whatever person he may be.
2. That whenever any of the monks in his travels shall happen to settle upon any mountain, hill, village, or other habitable place, on the sea, or in deserts, or in any convent, church, or house of prayer, I shall be in the midst of them, as the preserver and protector of them, their goods and effects, with my soul, aid, and protection, jointly with all my national people; because they are a part of my own people, and an honor to me.
3. Moreover, I command all officers not to require any poll-tax on them, or any other tribute, because they shall not be forced or compelled to anything of this kind.
4. None shall presume to change their judges or governors, but they shall remain in their office, without being deported.
5. No one shall molest them when they are travelling on the road.
6. Whatever churches they are possessed of, no one is to deprive them of them.
7. Whosoever shall annul any of one of these my decrees, let him know positively that he annuls the ordinance of God.
8. Moreover, neither their judges, governors, monks, servants, disciples, or any others depending on them, shall pay any poll-tax, or be molested on that account, because I am their protector, wherever they shall be, either by land or sea, east or west, north or south; because both they and all that belong to them are included in this my promissory oath and patent.
9. And of those that live quietly and solitary upon the mountains, they shall exact neither poll-tax nor tithes from their incomes, neither shall any Muslim partake of what they have; for they labor only to maintain themselves.
10. Whenever the crop of the earth shall be plentiful in its due time, the inhabitants shall be obliged out of every bushel to give them a certain measure.
11. Neither in time of war shall they take them out of their habitations, nor compel them to go to the wars, nor even then shall they require of them any poll-tax.
12. In these eleven chapters is to be found whatever relates to the monks, as to the remaining seven chapters, they direct what relates to every Christian.
13. Those Christians who are inhabitants, and with their riches and traffic are able to pay the poll-tax, shall pay no more than twelve drachms.
14. Excepting this, nothing shall be required of them, according to the express order of God, that says, ‘Do not molest those that have a veneration for the books that are sent from God, but rather in a kind manner give of your good things to them, and converse with them, and hinder everyone from molesting them’ [29:46].
15. If a Christian woman shall happen to marry a Muslim man, the Muslim shall not cross the inclination of his wife, to keep her from her church and prayers, and the practice of her religion.
16. That no person hinder them from repairing their churches.
17. Whosoever acts contrary to my grant, or gives credit to anything contrary to it, becomes truly an apostate to God, and to his divine apostle, because this protection I have granted to them according to this promise.
18. No one shall bear arms against them, but, on the contrary, the Muslims shall wage war for them.
19. And by this I ordain, that none of my nation shall presume to do or act contrary to this my promise, until the end of the world.

Achtiname of Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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I rest my case.

Umm..from the above, shouldn't then the Hagia Sophia be made a Church again, failing which those who endeavored to make it so otherwise are to be held in direct contravention of the Prophet's command?

Personally though, I like its secularization as an open museum.

 

[Mosamania]

I put out this thread to both ISIS supporters and those of you (Who are many) that say Islam is the problem. Both of as I said before are extremists and are only different sides of the same coin. Hope this enlighten you further, being ignorant is not a shameful thing, shunning knowledge however is.

 

[livingdead]

May be this document was the best humanity could come up with in that region but its completely out of date, right?
ISIS also believes in most of these, for example they did not kill the christians(were asked to pay a fee as required) but yazidis were not mentioned in any document, hence convert of die.

A better document would have mentioned people of all religions will be equal. That will remove the confusion of what to do if a muslim woman marries a christian man (not included in the list).

Also saying ISIS supporters are same those who oppose outdated islamic laws is false equivalence.

 

[Winchester]

"No one shall bear arms against them, but, on the contrary, the Muslims shall wage war for them." I wish it was some Muslim army that was taking out these ISIS targets but ALAS

 

[Mosamania]

May be this document was the best humanity could come up with in that region but its completely out of date, right?
ISIS also believes in most of these, for example they did not kill the christians(were asked to pay a fee as required) but yazidis were not mentioned in any document, hence convert of die.

A better document would have mentioned people of all religions will be equal. That will remove the confusion of what to do if a muslim woman marries a christian man (not included in the list).

Also saying ISIS supporters are same those who oppose outdated islamic laws is false equivalence.

Several similar documents were sent to different religious groups, some are maybe lost, this one was found in a monastery in Egypt kept in safe keeping by Christian Monks. I wish the similar documents would resurface or be found and not be lost forever.

"No one shall bear arms against them, but, on the contrary, the Muslims shall wage war for them." I wish it was some Muslim army that was taking out these ISIS targets but ALAS

How about not thinking as in "Muslims Army" vs "None-Muslim Army" in the first place?

 

[Winchester]

my context was as its is happening in Iraq which happens to be a muslim country it should have been the Iraqi army taking on ISIS

 

[Mosamania]

my context was as its is happening in Iraq which happens to be a muslim country it should have been the Iraqi army taking on ISIS

What Iraqi army? And which side of the Iraqi Army? Pro-President or Pro-Maliki?

 

[Aslan]

Umm..from the above, shouldn't then the Hagia Sophia be made a Church again, failing which those who endeavored to make it so otherwise are to be held in direct contravention of the Prophet's command?

Personally though, I like its secularization as an open museum.

Well well well. What about the mosque of Cordova and many more in Andalusia that were converted to churches.

 

[Winchester]

What Iraqi army? And which side of the Iraqi Army? Pro-President or Pro-Maliki?

well that is the whole tragedy of the situation

 

[Dillinger]

Well well well. What about the mosque of Cordova and many more in Andalusia that were converted to churches.

Should be turned back into Mosques? Either way there are plenty of churches, temples, mosques and what not which have been "converted" or demolished, I just asked a question in context and Hagia Sophia seemed to be the apt example to pick.
As I said, for me personally, a museum is far more important than any place of worship and the Hagia Sophia being turned into a museum was a good move.

 

[Mosamania]

well that is the whole tragedy of the situation

The reason this is happening in Iraq, the Arab world and in fact the whole "Muslim world" is because people are still clinging on the idea of a "Muslim World", once people stop looking at it this way and in fact focus on things through the eyes of pragmatism everything will change.

Well well well. What about the mosque of Cordova and many more in Andalusia that were converted to churches.

Tit for tat? Revenge? Is that supposed to justify actions against the teachings of the religion??

 

[Aslan]

Should be turned back into Mosques? Either way there are plenty of churches, temples, mosques and what not which have been "converted" or demolished, I just asked a question in context and Hagia Sophia seemed to be the apt example to pick.
As I said, for me personally, a museum is far more important than any place of worship and the Hagia Sophia being turned into a museum was a good move.

And I pointed out to an example in context to your question.

The reason this is happening in Iraq, the Arab world and in fact the whole "Muslim world" is because people are still clinging on the idea of a "Muslim World", once people stop looking at it this way and in fact focus on things through the eyes of pragmatism everything will change.



Tit for tat? Revenge? Is that supposed to justify actions against the teachings of the religion??

Well I know that my religion don't teach that u know it too. Islam from day one offered protection to places off worships to others. Jews were granted right to practice their faith by Muslims after a ban of 500 years. So I know what I follow. But I am not ready to bend over backwards to please someone. I respect their right to exist and do as they please and so they have to extend the same courtesy to me.

 

[Dillinger]

And I pointed out to an example in context to your question.

I already answered, as long as these "erstwhile" mosques you've mentioned were not built upon a demolished place of worship or converted to mosques from say being a church previously the concerned mosques should be returned to the status of mosques.

 

[Winchester]

The reason this is happening in Iraq, the Arab world and in fact the whole "Muslim world" is because people are still clinging on the idea of a "Muslim World", once people stop looking at it this way and in fact focus on things through the eyes of pragmatism everything will change.

i disagree you are reading too much into it the reason this is happening is because Iraq like many "MUSLIM" or developing countries has weak institutions and poor governance...the moment they fix these things a lot of these problems are going to be solved