Hahahahahahaha
Show me evidence stealth helicopters were used. Even if they were that's irrelevant because:
FYI
The Chinooks also had NAP capability, RCS reduction treatment, and were equipped with sophisticated EW gear.
You have no idea how capable these aircraft are.
You have no idea how capable USN is.
I have pointed out to you before that modern-age (conventional) war is fought in the Electronic Warfare (EW) spectrum. Any country that has advantage in the EW spectrum, will win the war. US has unmatched EW capabilities, Pakistan does not hold a candle to US in this domain. You can see in a declassified image shared above that USN was using its EW capabilities to suppress Pakistani situational awareness. When nothing shows up on radar screens on the ground, an army cannot respond to a threat. This issue is pointed out in the Abbottabad Commission Report as well.
But you do not even bother to check shared documents. How can one have a debate with a fool like you? Not practical.
1. One of the helicopters were shot down in Abbottabad.
No helicopter was shot down.
The assault team that killed Osama bin Laden sneaked up on his compound in radar-evading helicopters that had never been discussed publicly by the United States government, aviation analysts said Thursday.
The commandos blew up one of the helicopters after it was damaged in a hard landing, but news photographs of the surviving tail section reveal modifications to muffle noise and reduce the chances of detection by radar.
The stealth features, similar to those used on advanced fighter jets and bombers, help explain how two of the helicopters sped undetected through Pakistani air defenses before reaching the Bin Laden compound in Abbottabad. The use of the specially equipped helicopters also underscores the extent to which American officials wanted to get to Bin Laden without tipping off Pakistani leaders.
Analysts said the raid was a rare case in which stealth aircraft, devised for conventional warfare during the cold war, became critical to fighting terrorism.
Military and intelligence agencies have refused to comment about the use of stealth aircraft in this raid. But since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the special forces have spared no expense in developing technology to hunt terrorists, and aviation experts said the debris from the damaged helicopter provided further evidence of that.
The assault team that killed Osama bin Laden sneaked up on his compound in radar-evading helicopters that had never been discussed publicly by the U.S. government.
www.nytimes.com
HELO ONE crash-landed on a wall of the compound.
On May 1, at 10:30 p.m. local time, the team took off from Jalalabad, Afghanistan, and headed for the compound in two stealth equipped UH-60 Blackhawks.[12] The two helicopters included twenty-three SEALs, an interpreter, and a combat dog (brought along in case Bin Laden hid in the compound). The Operation was given the code name “Neptune Spear.” Neptune was the Roman variant of the Greek water god Poseidon, and his spear was the trident, the symbol of the Navy SEALs. As the operators descended into the compound, one of the specially equipped Blackhawk’s lost control because the high walls presented different air conditions than the chain link fence the team had trained on. The pilot was able to maintain some control, but the tail hit the walls surrounding the compound and forced the helo to make a soft-crash landing.[13]
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When the helicopter began getting away from the pilot, he pulled back on the cyclic, which controls the pitch of the rotor blades, only to find the aircraft unresponsive. The high walls of the compound and the warm temperatures had caused the Black Hawk to descend inside its own rotor wash—a hazardous aerodynamic situation known as “settling with power.” In North Carolina, this potential problem had not become apparent, because the chain-link fencing used in rehearsals had allowed air to flow freely. A former helicopter pilot with extensive special-operations experience said of the pilot’s situation, “It’s pretty spooky—I’ve been in it myself. The only way to get out of it is to push the cyclic forward and fly out of this vertical silo you’re dropping through. That solution requires altitude. If you’re settling with power at two thousand feet, you’ve got plenty of time to recover. If you’re settling with power at fifty feet, you’re going to hit the ground.”
The pilot scrapped the plan to fast-rope and focussed on getting the aircraft down. He aimed for an animal pen in the western section of the compound. The SEALs on board braced themselves as the tail rotor swung around, scraping the security wall. The pilot jammed the nose forward to drive it into the dirt and prevent his aircraft from rolling onto its side. Cows, chickens, and rabbits scurried. With the Black Hawk pitched at a forty-five-degree angle astride the wall, the crew sent a distress call to the idling Chinooks.
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https://www.nellis.af.mil/News/Article/2591901/operation-neptune-spear-10-year-anniversary/
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https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/08/08/getting-bin-laden
2. A 45 minute gun battle took place in Abbottabad down the road from PMA.
- military command did not respond during the entire 3 hour fiasco
- no PAF jets scrambled to Abbottabad
The exchange of fire took place between American troops and Osama Bin Laden and his allies inside the compound.
As pointed out in
here, Pakistani who reached the site did not attempt to intervene because they assumed that Pakistan Army was conducting this operation. This is understandable because nobody in Pakistan was expecting a foreign military force to be operating this deep inside Pakistan at any point in time.
People living near the compound have hazy memory of what happened.
One claimed that he saw an Apache helicopter.
One heard a helicopter followed by a blast and then silence. Most likely the Chinook which responded to the distress call of HELO ONE; the blast in question is of HELO ONE when it was blown by American troops; silence after the Americans left.
People like to speculate all the time; some speculated that a helicopter was shot down to explain the blast that they heard. This is not true.
This operation did not last 3 hours
but 40 minutes.
PAF scrambled two F-16 when it realized that something is not right and it needs to do something
but Americans helicopters had left and the last one was approaching Afghanistan at this point in time. American EW capabilities had produced the desired effect.
What PAF was supposed to do in any case? Fight USN?
What was your military leadership doing all this time? Swinging with wives of colleagues?
Seriously man. You have ZERO manners.
I have always answered you. The problem is you hate the fact I debunk you every time.
You have debunked nothing but continue to repeat your claims like a parrot you are. This shows your lack of comprehension.
Ask Vietnam and Afghanistan that question بے شرم انسان
Do you realize that much of the Vietnam was destroyed in the war? Millions of Vietnamese died in the war?
Take a look at
Vietnamese topography - much of the terrain is mountainous. Higher resolution surface scan will show presence of dense forests and marshes in numerous locations.
Vietnamese sources point out that over 75% of Vietnam was covered in forests in the 1960s but American forces reduced this percentage to 25% in time.
War in Vietnam was fought in a different time when American military technology was much less capable. When Nixon came to power, he decided to withdraw American troops from Vietnam but he also decided to show Vietcong a trailer of what American military could do in the 1970s.
Operation Linebacker II involved use of B-52 bombers and precision munitions to degrade Vietcong infrastructure and warfighting capacity across North Vietnam. This objective was achieved in just 11 days. Precision strikes proved very effective against Vietcong. This operation was a
test case of how good planning coupled with technological superiority can help turn the tide of war in any region of the world. But Nixon was adamant on withdrawal from Vietnam.
US has a much stronger war-machine in current times.
Thousands of jet fighters.
Thousands of tanks.
Thousands of artillery pieces.
Thousands of cruise missiles.
Thousands of ballistic missiles.
Thousands of nukes.
Global surveillance capability.
Unparalleled cyber warfare capability.
Unparalleled EW capability.
Vastly superior industrial capability.
Do you realize what is at stake for Pakistan?
Trillion+ USD worth of infrastructure.
Huge number of livelihoods.
A war is fought for a valid reason, not to commit suicide.
WE should fight a war with US for a terrorist? Pakistan was
not created to cater to jihadi mindset and policies.
Pakistan was created for benefit of Muslims in the subcontinent, to give these people hope and a chance to have a good life.
Let's talk about Afghanistan now. This country is like a graveyard. Afghans do not have much to loose in a war due to lack of infrastructure, industry, and a conventional military force. Afghans
do not fight a war in the EW spectrum. Afghans can hide in caves and wage a guerilla war at most. This is the most convenient way for fighting a war but this is something that a large number of people cannot do.
Do you expect a huge number of Pakistani to move to caves and wage a guerilla war? Not happening.
US was not trying to wipe out Afghanistan either. American mission in Afghanistan was limited to dismantling Al-Qaeda Network and to reshape Afghan political landscape. US has assassinated a large number of Al-Qaeda members and convinced Afghan Taliban to not support Al-Qaeda types in writing. Here is the evidence:
if it was staged, it would be more easy staging in Afghanistan. They could have invented Bin Laden is moving to Afghanistan or something like that. lol, didn't you know the Afghan Taliban won the 20 year war? It was USA who were wrong all along. lol.
pdf.defence.pk
This is not a laughing matter.
Afghan Taliban have lost 70,000 men in the war and were willing to negotiate with the US to end the war.
The so-called mujahideen that were created to fight Soviet Union in Afghanistan turned their guns on each other and created instability in the region. One of these mujahideen groups became Al-Qaeda Network and notorious for its terrorist attacks on American embassies and infrastructure. When American troops confronted these morons in Afghanistan, many decided to flee to Pakistan and flooded FATA. These morons brainwashed and ruined Pakistani societal fabric in FATA. Americans dispatched these morons to hell in this region as well.
What is to celebrate here?
No war is the same.
US will fight each country differently in view of its capability. Take a look at what US did to Japan, Germany, and Iraq in war.
Step down from your high horse.
I am not besharam, you are an idiot.
Yes it's limitations are defending Pakistan. Your military is more interested in corporate farming and housing estates. It can't be bothered with defending our air space.
So why is Pakistan spending 45% of its GDP on you worthless losers if you aren't even aware that an enemy has infiltrated your air space.
At least put up a fight instead of bending over backwards.
Pakistan Army has created its own economy because it is not cheap to afford an army of this size for a country that has limited resources.
My take is to make peace with India and reduce the size of Pakistan Army. This is in view of the fact that war with India is a stalemate that leads to nowhere. India will not give up IOK.
Ukraine has managed to attack Russian lands and infrastructure with helicopters and drones in the ongoing war. Russians are a looser due to these developments? Who says that defenses of a country cannot be breached in a war? You have no idea, son.
Why don't you create an army and fight a war with Americans? Oh wait, you can talk big in safety of your home in a European country.
Irrelevant. We're discussing America here, not India. Your happiness revolves around shooting down Indian jets it seems. 75 years and still haven't found a way to liberate Kashmir.
Entire country is sending its collective lanat on your army. And I'll be there reminding you.
War leads to death and destruction.
Pakistan can do much better without one.
This is not cowardice but pragmatism.
Keep yourself armed but strive for peace and prosperity.
You have no rights to threaten me like this.
@waz kindly comment here and teach your moderator to behave like a moderator.
But you have the right to insult me, disregard my advice, violate Forum Rules, troll, and more?
Here:
@waz I'd like to report your moderator who has constantly been deleting my comments and banning me simply for REPLYING to his comments. He hates the fact I have knowledge. https://pdf.defence.pk/threads/abbottabad-bin-laden-raid.773363/page-6#post-14473985 You need to learn to post sensibly...
pdf.defence.pk
Have I affected your livelihood or something?
Your anger is misdirected.
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