A US Air Force war game shows what the service needs to hold off — or win against — China in 2030

[UKBengali]

Becos China do not want to take back a broken Taiwan. Peace reunification is still on the table.

US despite all the cheap move has never claim to abandon one China policy nor recognised Taiwan as independent country. They even send all the ex diplomats instead of real one just to please the western media and ignorant who think US still in control.

Time is on PRC China side

True but China needs to wait till around 2035 before it can be confident of taking back Taiwan by force if the US intervenes.

 

[antonius123]

US have allies to fill in the gaps. The JMSDF especially are equipped to deal with underwater threats while the USN deals with the surface fleets. In times of war the US are never alone other country's ships serves as force multipliers if you want to pull a number games you should also include Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand, UK, France, Germany, Philippines & that's not even including regional partners like India or Indonesia or even NATO ships to add to the total numbers of ships.

Now are you still talking about the size of Navy? or about who will beat whom during the upcoming west pacific war? Because it should be clear for you now that PLAN has potential to surpass USN in 2030 in term of size (fire power, number of ships, even tonnage).

When west pacific war happen between China vs US and allies, it wont single China's navy vs Allies' combined navy force anymore, but whole China's power vs Allies' combined Navy.

China has DF-21, DF-26, and DF-17, and 50 H-6 that can carry and launch LRASM KD-10 that can paralyze many war ships of the Allies which trying to approach west pacific region.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Tell me why didn't US give Iran a big military retaliation response when Iran decide to poke into their nest? Isn't US claim tor be the world most powerful military?

They are scared of Iran?

And we have bravado claiming US will fight for Taiwan against PRC China?

Ask Xi why he can't stop the USN from patrolling the SCS despite claiming otherwise.

Now are you still talking about the size of Navy? or about who will beat whom during the upcoming west pacific war? Because it should be clear for you now that PLAN has potential to surpass USN in 2030 in term of size (fire power, number of ships, even tonnage).

When west pacific war happen between China vs US and allies, it wont single China's navy vs Allies' combined navy force anymore, but whole China's power vs Allies' combined Navy.

China has DF-21, DF-26, and DF-17, and 50 H-6 that can carry and launch LRASM KD-10 that can paralyze many war ships of the Allies which trying to approach west pacific region.

Speak english gooder me no understand you.

 

[bshifter]

True but China needs to wait till around 2035 before it can be confident of taking back Taiwan by force if the US intervenes.

Does 2035 even matter? It's not an eternity. That is why the Chinese have been saying all along Taiwan will be reunited with the Mainland eventually. I don't know what's there to argue about constantly. All your dumb idiots keep repeating but China has to wait till .... year. The reality is China can take back Taiwan today if it wanted to and the only reason it is still waiting patiently is because we prefer not to destroy the island in the process. It doesn't matter if China decides 2035 or before 2049. All analysts with a brain already said Taiwan cannot be defended. US Admirals all admitted all the simulated wars have ended horribly for the US. Anybody here who keeps on disagreeing are just trolling around or being silly people. Unification is just being postponed nothing more, Taiwan is very afraid to officially declare independence despite the US says it will back the island. US also refuses to force Taiwan to declare independent. The Taiwan Strait Crisis in the 90s already proven Taiwan and US afraid to take that stance.

 

[UKBengali]

Does 2035 even matter? It's not an eternity. That is why the Chinese have been saying all along Taiwan will be reunited with the Mainland eventually. I don't know what's there to argue about constantly. All your dumb idiots keep repeating but China has to wait till .... year. The reality is China can take back Taiwan today if it wanted to and the only reason it is still waiting patiently is because we prefer not to destroy the island in the process. It doesn't matter if China decides 2035 or before 2049. All analysts with a brain already said Taiwan cannot be defended. US Admirals all admitted all the simulated wars have ended horribly for the US. Anybody here who keeps on disagreeing are just trolling around or being silly people. Unification is just being postponed nothing more, Taiwan is very afraid to officially declare independence despite the US says it will back the island. US also refuses to force Taiwan to declare independent. The Taiwan Strait Crisis in the 90s already proven Taiwan and US afraid to take that stance.

Yes it matters as lots of PDF Chinese are bragging about defeating the USN for years!

They need to stay lipped till they have a realistic chance of taking the island by force if the USN intervenes.

 

[antonius123]

Ask Xi why he can't stop the USN from patrolling the SCS despite claiming otherwise.

LOL. What is the point of USN patrolling SCS if they can't prevent China from building military base on artificial islands

It is US failure to patrol SCS, rather than China's failure to patrol SCS.

Be a little bit smarter please

Speak english gooder me no understand you.

You failed to understand what I am saying?

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Yes it matters as lots of PDF Chinese are bragging about defeating the USN for years!

They need to stay lipped till they have a realistic chance of taking the island by force if the USN intervenes.

Taiwan is already a fortress & not far from the range of US bases not to mention no Taiwanese even wants to be part of china. So they can't take the island unless they want to kill the taiwanese along with it.

LOL. What is the point of USN patrolling SCS if they can't prevent China from building military base on artificial islands

It is US failure to patrol SCS, rather than China's failure to patrol SCS.

Be a little bit smarter please




You failed to understand what I am saying?

& China can't stop the US from selling weapons to taiwan and furthering the 2 countries relationships. Meanwhile china only have sand bars that's going to sink in the next decades and a long list of enemies that only going to get longer.

That's a net win for the US.

 

[bshifter]

Yes it matters as lots of PDF Chinese are bragging about defeating the USN for years!

They need to stay lipped till they have a realistic chance of taking the island by force if the USN intervenes.

It only matters for idiots like yourself who keeps talking about Taiwan able to thwart any attempt from being captured. You know what destiny means? Taiwan is destined to be reunited under CCP, a fate that cannot be changed. The sooner you accept this little fact the better. America in our eyes have become weak, that says a lot.

 

[UKBengali]

It only matters for idiots like yourself who keeps talking about Taiwan able to thwart any attempt from being captured. You know what destiny means? Taiwan is destined to be reunited under CCP, a fate that cannot be changed. The sooner you accept this little fact the better. America in our eyes have become weak, that says a lot.

So the mask unfolds then?

Ignored.

 

[antonius123]

& China can't stop the US from selling weapons to taiwan and furthering the 2 countries relationships. Meanwhile china only have sand bars that's going to sink in the next decades and a long list of enemies that only going to get longer.

That's a net win for the US.

Nobody can prevent trading of 2 nations you silly boy. Just like US can't prevent China makes a trading with Iran.

On the other hand China can build up much more military power in west pacific, as an excuse of Taiwan additional weapon from US.

Nope, US has not win anything as long as she can't eradicate China's base on artificial island in SCS, which is considered illegal by US, it is a blatant US loss in fact

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Nobody can prevent trading of 2 nations you silly boy. Just like US can't prevent China makes a trading with Iran.

On the other hand China can build up much more military power in west pacific, as an excuse of Taiwan additional weapon from US.

Nope, US has not win anything as long as she can't eradicate China's base on artificial island in SCS, which is considered illegal by US, it is a blatant US loss in fact

So you admit that Taiwan is a separate country. THX I take that as a win.

Also most Iranian in the other military forum hate China after the deal even the most pro-china because the CCP essentially fleeced Iran of its Oil by paying below market price.

& the list of enemy China makes continues to get longer.

US have Taiwan, Japan & other countries your country got sandbars.... Who is the one at top here?

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

Also most Iranian in the other military forum hate China after the deal even the most pro-china because the CCP essentially fleeced Iran of its Oil by paying below market price.

False.

& the list of enemy China makes continues to get longer.

It can grow until every single one of the 5.5 billion people outside China, including myself, hate it to their marrow. It wouldn't matter - they still have to acknowledge and accept China's power because they have no choice.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

False.

It can grow until every single one of the 5.5 billion people outside China, including myself, hate it to their marrow. It wouldn't matter - they still have to acknowledge and accept China's power because they have no choice.

There was no choice on the chinese side anyway. But it happens once it will happen again.

 

[antonius123]

So you admit that Taiwan is a separate country. THX I take that as a win.

Also most Iranian in the other military forum hate China after the deal even the most pro-china because the CCP essentially fleeced Iran of its Oil by paying below market price.

& the list of enemy China makes continues to get longer.

US have Taiwan, Japan & other countries your country got sandbars.... Who is the one at top here?

I dont.

But US now maybe

There was no choice on the chinese side anyway. But it happens once it will happen again.

Why?

History wont repeat for this time, because current China is not the same as past China.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

There was no choice on the chinese side anyway. But it happens once it will happen again.

You're finally starting to understand. The only thing that matters is power - not ideology, not pet causes, not ethnic hatreds, not historical grievances - just pure, raw power.

Let's take a look at the countries in your pitiful attempt to troll and get a rise out of me:
Russia - firmly in China's corner.
UK - irrelevant and heading for breakup. Begging to do business with China.
France - irrelevant and begging to do business with China.
Germany - irrelevant and begging to do business with China. To say something positive about it, it's slightly less rhetorically annoying and slightly more realistic than its fellow Western countries.
Japan - slightly more relevant given its geographic proximity with China, but ultimately a vassal country with no independence. Today it's a US vassal, tomorrow it's a Chinese vassal.

Let's see any of these countries fire a shot at China in anger. Let's see them dare it.

By the way, China ruled over all of Southeast Asia as suzerain before the West's invasion. Like you say, if it happened once, it can happen again