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A U.S.-Pakistan Reset Just Got a Lot Harder

Nobody respects a state that goes for bailouts every five years.
Unfortunately that is not about to change anytime soon. The issue is the political economy of Pakistan that has evolved over the decades. This is what marks it out -

  • rent seeking
  • meaning profit is not extracted from wealth generation but gouged like a parasite
  • introduce religion as a device to sedate the masses
  • which equals 10s of million with no education and low skills
  • they are then exported as cheap labour
  • the remittances create demand within Pakistan
  • import restrictions are then imposed
  • under this monopoly licences are given to politically connected people who then either import or assemble imported products which are sold at a profit
  • other monpolies are created like sugar, wheat etc again to gouge money
  • loans are taken by this political/business mafia that often is linked through family connections
  • over time even military/civil elite has been bought out
  • all will send their kids abroad and often many will retire abroad
  • nobody pays taxes
  • regular deficits force governments to approach IMF etc to bail them out

I can't see this change. Thus Pakistan is doomed to go through these cycles and thus is effectively indentured to USA, China or some other power.
 
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For the last 73 years all we have been saying is "we mustn't upset the americans, we mustn't upset the americans" and it has got us NOWHERE but EVERYWHERE to the road to HELL. So you know what, "F**K the americans and their ilk, F**K em". Let's concentrate and show the love to Pakistan and our own Pakistani people. Let's make Pakistan and Pakistanis a great nation and people.
 
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Let's concentrate and show the love to Pakistan and our own Pakistani people.
I love your passion. You remind me of the Turks. That simple but solid nationalism. Everything begins and ends with Pakistan. But sadly most Pakistan's are not like you.

We don't even have a identity. To some we are Indians, to others we are desi, to others we are Muslims, to others Asians, to others brown people. Jinnah. The man who birthed Pakistan. Here is the restaurent in his honour in Harrogate. This is not exceptional but rather reflective of what I said.

Jinnah Restaurant

4.2334 Google reviews
Indian restaurant

Indian restaurant in a converted school, with spotlights, polished wood and large arched windows.

Address: 32 Cheltenham Parade, Harrogate HG1 1DB


Hours:
Closed ⋅ Opens 5:30PM Fri

Health and safety: Mask required · Staff required to disinfect surfaces between visits · More details
 
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Wrong!! It’s now getting much easier for the Pindi Boys are on a winning march, and the Pentagon Boys are on a losing streak...

If no RESET, the US losses will be higher....

The problem I see is that the US might actually give the 'Pindi boys' what they want, that is, Power and Money but it comes with strings, and these strings would be NOT GOOD FOR THE ORDINRY PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN and FOR THE STRATEGIC INTERESTS OF PAKISTAN.
 
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I love your passion. You remind me of the Turks. That simple but solid nationalism. Everything begins and ends with Pakistan. But sadly most Pakistan's are not like you.

We don't even have a identity. To some we are Indians, to others we are desi, to others we are Muslims, to others Asians, to others brown people. Jinnah. The man who birthed Pakistan. Here is the restaurent in his honour in Harrogate. This is not exceptional but rather reflective of what I said.

Jinnah Restaurant

4.2334 Google reviews
Indian restaurant

Indian restaurant in a converted school, with spotlights, polished wood and large arched windows.

Address: 32 Cheltenham Parade, Harrogate HG1 1DB


Hours:
Closed ⋅ Opens 5:30PM Fri

Health and safety: Mask required · Staff required to disinfect surfaces between visits · More details




It starts with Pakistani parents. I noticed that the majority don't instill a sense of confidence, honour, duty and identity within their children the same way that Russian, German, Turkish and Iranian parents do.
 
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The problem I see is that the US might actually give the 'Pindi boys' what they want
I can't see that happening. Indian influence now on Washington as a result of the China factor is so strong that only minor items will be released. No more big ticket items.
 
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It starts with Pakistani parents. I noticed that the majority don't instill a sense of confidence, honour, duty and identity within their children the same way that Russian, German, Turkish and Iranian parents do.
Because the idea of Pakistan does not exist in our people. Chiuldren are bought up in the identity of Muslim. Pakistan is just a place they visit. Their identity is British-Muslim. Funny thing is I never see iranians, Turks, Lebanese fall under that definition. Muslim in UK as you know will normally be a Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Somali.

No idea where you live but please do me a favour. When your visiting a Pakistani dominant area look at shops, restaurents etc and see the descriptions. Then also watch out how Kurds tout Kurdistan [when it does not even exist] or Poles, Slovaks, Turks etc

Let me know if you actually notice what I said.
Too be fair, Pakistan has not had any big ticket items from the americans for decades.
Despite the big talk of JF-Thunder PAF's Block 52 F-16s are the tip of it's fighter fleet. These were purchased in the last decade.

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Because the idea of Pakistan does not exist in our people. Chiuldren are bought up in the identity of Muslim. Pakistan is just a place they visit. Their identity is British-Muslim. Funny thing is I never see iranians, Turks, Lebanese fall under that definition. Muslim in UK as you know will normally be a Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Somali.

No idea where you live but please do me a favour. When your visiting a Pakistani dominant area look at shops, restaurents etc and see the descriptions. Then also watch out how Kurds tout Kurdistan [when it does not even exist] or Poles, Slovaks, Turks etc

Let me know if you actually notice what I said.



I live in North Kensington in London. The only Pakistani restaurant nearby is called Khan's restaurant in Earls Court. It is touted as an "indian restaurant" online but not outside the front entrance. The Persian and Arab restaurants nearby always have " Iranian", "Lebanese", "Iraqi" or "Egyptian" on the front entrance.


PS Egyptian food is disgusting.
 
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Given what you say I think Biden will go for alienation. Policy toward Pakistan will be governed by the role US has given to India to contain China. This means bad news for Pakistan. Expect US media to begin deluge of dodgy reports on Pakistan and White House making statements negative statements about Pakistam. Essentially Pakistan will be taken back to Obama days and get shafted or flogged daily to please India.

One of things I really respect Trump for [don'[t give flying frigg for his so called anti Muslim stance] was that he went real soft if not almost apologetic about Pakistan even when the media would try to goad him into making statements in favour of New Delhi. He would reply "PM Modi is friend but PM Imran Khan is great buddy and there is so much that could be done - I would love to help both etc etc].

We saw that with Kashmir when he suggesed he would like to mediate a solution which got the Indian's in a right twist. Now I expect Biden [the Muslim friendly guy] to entirely ignore Kashmir and tickle Modi's testicles just to draw some anti-China animus out India.

As a side note India will never be able to do what US expects it to be able to do - contain China. The American's see the consolidated cream of 1.4 billion people in Indian-Americans and draw them as guide to India. That ignores the reality of India. It's a huge dirt poor Sub Saharan Africa type country.
It is not what India can do against China... it is how India could be used to extract the most out of China. Essentially, to seek a China minus India equation, and goal is to eliminate the threat of India minus Pakistan. Again, give as much free hand and confidence to India as possible.
Trump in an attempt to reduce costs and exposure to U.S. was bringing peripheral conflicts to a simmer while focusing on China alone. The policy essentially returns back to Obama years with a more blunt approach, spiced with Bush's exceptionalism.
 
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PS Egyptian food is disgusting.
Yes. I was taken to one by a Pakistan friend in Birmingham. It was disgusting. No taste. So bland and chewy.

I live in North Kensington in London. The only Pakistani restaurant nearby is called Khan's restaurant in Earls Court. It is touted as an "indian restaurant" online but not outside the front entrance. The Persian and Arab restaurants nearby always have " Iranian", "Lebanese", "Iraqi" or "Egyptian" on the front entrance.
Well, you know my point.

Three restaurents I googled. Crappy tiny Lebnon get to call their restaurent "Lebanese". Then look at the Khans ??? Apparently they are all Indian.


Khan's of Kensington
4.2 (959) · ££ · Indian
3 Harrington Rd
Closed ⋅ Opens 1PM
Indian eatery of 30+ years serving traditional fare in a relaxed, light-filled setting.
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Dine-in·
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Curbside pickup·
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No-contact delivery

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Khan's
3.9 (1,307) · ££ · Indian
13-15 Westbourne Grove
Closed ⋅ Opens 1PM
Long-established no-frills Indian restaurant serving traditional cuisine, but no alcohol.
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Dine-in·
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Takeaway·
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No-contact delivery

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Orjowan, Lebanese Restaurant London
4.4 (574) · ££ · Lebanese
6-8 Kenway Rd
Closed ⋅ Opens 12PM
Warm, modern dining room with wall art for Lebanese mezze, skewered kebabs and slow-cooked meat.
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Dine-in·
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Takeaway·
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Delivery
 
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I love your passion. You remind me of the Turks. That simple but solid nationalism. Everything begins and ends with Pakistan. But sadly most Pakistan's are not like you.

We don't even have a identity. To some we are Indians, to others we are desi, to others we are Muslims, to others Asians, to others brown people. Jinnah. The man who birthed Pakistan. Here is the restaurent in his honour in Harrogate. This is not exceptional but rather reflective of what I said.

Jinnah Restaurant

4.2334 Google reviews
Indian restaurant

Indian restaurant in a converted school, with spotlights, polished wood and large arched windows.

Address: 32 Cheltenham Parade, Harrogate HG1 1DB


Hours:
Closed ⋅ Opens 5:30PM Fri

Health and safety: Mask required · Staff required to disinfect surfaces between visits · More details
The failure of Pakistani policy makers to replace Hindustani/Gangetic words/language with native Punjabi/Sindhi/Baloch/Pashto/Khowar words/dialect/language was a huge blow to Pakistani culture and identity. This same establishment wants to teach Arabic (another foreign language). What a waste of time and resources.
 
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The failure of Pakistani policy makers to replace Hindustani/Gangetic words/language with native Punjabi/Sindhi/Baloch/Pashto/Khowar words/dialect/language was a huge blow to Pakistani culture and identity.
You know what amazes me? Tiny Lebnon with population smaller than a small Pakistan town has more brand identity than 220 million Pakistan. Lebnon is so small you would struggle to see it on a global map. Then add the fact that they speak Arabic [exactly same as dozen other countries around them, they eat practically the same food as Syrians, Jordanians yet they have contstructed a global Lebnanese identity.
 
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You know what amazes me? Tiny Lebnon with population smaller than a small Pakistan town has more brand identity than 220 million Pakistan. Lebnon is so small you would struggle to see it on a global map. Then add the fact that they speak Arabic [exactly same as dozen other countries around them, they eat practically the same food as Syrians, Jordanians yet they have contstructed a global Lebnanese identity.
What steps do you think Pakistan should take to cement its identity in the world?
 
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The acquittal of Daniel Pearl’s abductors came at the worst possible time.
BY MICHAEL KUGELMAN

On Jan. 28, Pakistan’s Supreme Court ordered the acquittal of four men convicted of abducting and murdering the Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. The ruling upheld a lower court decision in Sindh province last year—appealed by Pakistani government officials—that overturned the murder convictions, found them guilty of kidnapping charges only, and ordered their release because they had already served enough time on the less serious charge.

The Biden administration reacted strongly. White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said the United States was “outraged.” She described it as “an affront to terror victims everywhere.” Secretary of State Antony Blinken, in a lengthy written statement, said the United States was “deeply concerned.” Washington is particularly unhappy about the acquittal of Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, widely believed to be the mastermind of Pearl’s abduction and a longtime, card-carrying member of the Islamist terrorist elite.

There’s never a good time for convicted terrorists to be acquitted, but the ruling has spoiled a rare bright spot in an often-troubled U.S.-Pakistan relationship. U.S. President Joe Biden has been keen to cooperate with Pakistan to advance a floundering Afghan peace process, and Islamabad has called for a reset of the relationship that expands cooperation into non-security spaces. Both goals, but especially Islamabad’s, will now be harder to achieve.

Pakistani militants snatched Pearl in Karachi in January 2002. They held him captive for more than a week before decapitating him, slicing his body into 10 pieces, and burying his remains in a shallow grave. The sickening crime set terrible precedents. Journalists became a favorite abduction target for Islamist terrorists, and militants began producing execution videos like the one filmed by Pearl’s killers.

Pakistan’s Supreme Court ruling amplifies long-standing tension points in U.S. relations with Islamabad. One is Pakistan’s failure to keep terrorists who target the United States or its interests behind bars. The trial of Sheikh and his three co-conspirators, which ran from April to July 2002 and wasn’t open to the public, was a mess. According to the Pearl Project, a Georgetown University investigation published in 2011, the prosecution used false testimony to build a strong case for murder convictions, even though there was only sound evidence of the defendants’ roles in Pearl’s abduction. The Pearl Project’s research, based on reviews of legal documents and interviews with those involved in the case, concluded that Islamabad was embarrassed about Pearl’s execution and wanted to show it was tough on terrorism—at a time when it had just established a new, post-9/11 counterterrorism partnership with Washington.


Sheikh and the others were convicted of murder, with Sheikh sentenced to death and the others to life in prison. However, their lawyers, because of the Pearl Project’s findings of a flawed trial, later appealed. The appeals led to the recent acquittal rulings. Serious problems afflicted the trial—not just false testimony but also unqualified expert witnesses and intimidation that included the defendants and even their lawyer cursing and taunting the prosecution. Yet no effort was made to pursue a new trial. Pakistan’s constitution has a double jeopardy clause that prevents someone from being prosecuted for the same crime more than once.

None of those believed to be directly involved in, and present for, Pearl’s murder have been prosecuted—and that’s unlikely to change. Pearl’s autopsy was never entered into the court record. The Sindh court ruling falsely said his body was never found. Sheikh’s lawyer, remarkably, suggested last month that Pearl was alive.

Washington, however, deserves some blame too. In 2007, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the al Qaeda leader and 9/11 mastermind, confessed to personally having executed Pearl. Some U.S. investigators believe he’s right based on a forensic tool that compared the veins on the hands of Pearl’s killer (seen in the execution video) to those of Mohammed. However, Washington never sought to prosecute Mohammed for the Pearl execution because of concerns this would complicate his prosecution for 9/11 and because he confessed to Pearl’s execution after being waterboarded.

Pakistan’s Supreme Court ruling underscores another longtime U.S. concern about the country—its complex relationship with terrorists. Before the Pearl execution, Sheikh worked with two Pakistani militant groups: Jaish-e-Mohammed and Harkat-ul-Mujahideen—both supported by the Pakistani security establishment. It’s also notable that Sheikh instructed Pearl’s kidnappers to compose a ransom note that demanded a consignment of U.S. F-16 fighter jets. These potent aircraft—an unusual request from Islamist militants—have long been a top acquisition priority for the Pakistani military.


Sheikh has connections to the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), Pakistan’s main intelligence agency. According to a Guardian report published soon after Sheikh’s conviction, Sheikh had links to two former senior ISI officials. One of them, Ijaz Shah, is the person to whom Sheikh first turned himself in—something later acknowledged by the ISI director at the time. (Shah is currently Pakistan’s minister for narcotics control.)

FBI investigators say he was in ISI custody for a week before being turned over to the police. While U.S. investigators cooperated closely with Pakistani counterparts on the Pearl case, Pakistan unsurprisingly balked at providing more information on the ISI’s role.

This past history prompts a question: Did someone influential within Pakistan’s security establishment pressure the courts to acquit its onetime asset? Given Pakistan’s genuine desire to strengthen relations with Washington in the Biden era and given the pressure it’s under from the Financial Action Task Force to crack down on terrorist networks (it holds its next plenary meeting later this month), it makes little sense for the country to try to facilitate Sheikh’s release, especially now. But some aggrieved U.S. officials may think differently. Additionally, Sheikh’s acquittal does give Islamabad a useful bargaining chip in future negotiations with the United States—over the restoration of suspended security assistance, perhaps, or its role in the Afghan peace process.


Despite the Supreme Court ruling, the Biden administration’s focus will remain the same: seek Pakistan’s assistance in the peace process in Afghanistan and press it to continue eliminating militant networks on its soil. However, there’s now a risk, at least in the near term, that Washington’s thinking about its relationship with Islamabad will be driven more by emotion than by rational policy considerations. It’s reminiscent of a particularly traumatic period in 2011 and 2012, when Osama Bin Laden was discovered in Pakistan and the Haqqani Network, a Taliban faction close to Islamabad, was staging attacks on U.S. targets in Afghanistan, including the U.S. Embassy in Kabul. These developments happened during the Obama presidency, and many, including Biden and other current senior officials who also served in the Obama administration, have vivid memories of them.


But the fallout of the decision will hit Islamabad even harder than Washington. In recent weeks, Pakistani officials have laid out a vision for a fresh start in bilateral ties that focuses less on Afghanistan, terrorism, and other security issues and more on economic and trade cooperation. They have also called on the Biden administration to balance its relations with Islamabad and New Delhi and to focus more on the Kashmir dispute and India’s oppressive policies there.

Even before the ruling, getting Washington to agree to the idea of a relationship redirect was going to be a hard sell. Officials aren’t opposed to greater commercial relations—bilateral trade volume set new records in recent years—but Afghanistan and counterterrorism remain the core issues for U.S. interests. Mainly because of shared concern about China, the U.S.-India partnership is set to deepen far more than a U.S.-Pakistan relationship, which is constrained by trust issues and the reality that China is Pakistan’s closest ally. This means the Biden administration, while likely to press India on human rights issues more than its predecessor, will go easy on New Delhi so as not to antagonize a government that Washington considers its best strategic bet in South Asia—and one highly sensitive to outside criticism.

Yet now, Islamabad’s ask has morphed from ambitious to practically impossible. The ruling injects fresh tensions into a relationship that has enjoyed relative stability over the last few years amid stepped-up cooperation on the Afghan peace process. And it ensures that the very security issues—especially terrorism—that Islamabad prefers to move away from will remain perched on the front burner of Washington’s policy priorities. A telling moment came on Jan. 29, the day after the ruling, when Blinken had an introductory call with his Pakistani counterpart, Shah Mahmood Qureshi. The official readouts couldn’t be more different. Islamabad’s was lengthy, conveyed a positive tone, and listed discussions on many issues, with the Pearl case mentioned only briefly toward the end. Washington’s was terser and largely revolved around Pearl, with Afghanistan and several other issues noted quickly at the end.

This isn’t to say there’s no hope. Washington appears to accept that the ruling was a court decision, not a government one. It has acknowledged Pakistani officials’ attempts, mainly through appeals, to keep Sheikh from being released. New paths for cooperation are still possible. The Biden administration’s emphasis on working bilaterally and multilaterally to tackle global challenges such as climate change and public health will find favor in Pakistan.

But the stain of the ruling won’t wash out anytime soon. Sheikh is reportedly now in a government safe house, forbidden from communicating with the outside or leaving the facility but permitted to receive family. Pakistani officials and Pearl’s family have requested a review of the Supreme Court judgment, and the apex court will weigh in later this month. But with the same justices on the review panel, chances of success are low. A failed appeal will likely prompt Pakistani officials, citing public safety risks, to keep him under indefinite house arrest. Washington has few legal options of its own; it has no extradition treaty with Pakistan.

No matter the final chapter of Sheikh’s legal saga, it has already charred a volatile U.S.-Pakistan relationship that always seems to be fighting fires—even when the smoke shows signs of clearing.

There’s hardly any talk around this issue in the Western media anymore. It’s nothing like the Shakil Afridi case, for example, and even that has faded away in terms of frequency and intensity of coverage and statements.

Additionally, both the Federal government and the provincial government have filed appeals against the verdict.

Finally, there is evidence that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was the actual killer, and Sheikh only assisted in the kidnapping, and has served 18 years for it. In my view, the US government knows this and is only making as much of a fuss as it is to not be shown in the media at home as ‘not caring’.
 
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