A two-front threat emerging for Pakistan

[SMC]

If we want to help Afghanistan building its infrastructure, what business is it of Pakistan? Why don't you let the sovereign nation of Afghanistan decide what it wants to do?

Because developing infrastructure is not the main thing india is doing in Afghanistan.

Why is Pakistan trying to force the "good" Taliban down Afghanistan's throat? Who are you to tell them what ideology their nation should follow?

Because it's the only way to counter indian support for terrorism in Pakistan. US obviously has its own interests that match indian so it will not stop india from conducting terrorism. Thus that's the last resort. I wish we didn't have to do this, but there's not many other choices.

 

[Nemesis]

I'm glad you admit it. We will continue to provide assistance to Afghanistan that actually helps Afghanistan, you can continue to try to support your Taliban assets on a country when it doesnt want it. Fair game huh? No wonder only two percent like your nation.

 

[amarnath]

Because developing infrastructure is not the main thing india is doing in Afghanistan.

Proove it, Enlighten us what Else is India doing there, Dont see every one with the same eye by which u look at your country

Because it's the only way to counter indian support for terrorism in Pakistan. US obviously has its own interests that match indian so it will not stop india from conducting terrorism. Thus that's the last resort. I wish we didn't have to do this, but there's not many other choices.

Till date pakistan has not been able to gather evidance against India,The pakistan internal minister rahman malik just says that He knows and has enough proofs against India, but whats the use when he is not exposing it?

 

[jagjitnatt]

Because developing infrastructure is not the main thing india is doing in Afghanistan.



Because it's the only way to counter indian support for terrorism in Pakistan. US obviously has its own interests that match indian so it will not stop india from conducting terrorism. Thus that's the last resort. I wish we didn't have to do this, but there's not many other choices.

India is a growing economic power. It is in India's interest to invest in a country which:

-needs help
-has the resources to pay back
-has great oppurtunities which India can take advantage of.

 

[SMC]

Proove it, Enlighten us what Else is India doing there, Dont see every one with the same eye by which u look at your country

You need to prove that you're the one doing something, not me. A few handful projects in 8 years is not a great achievement, some of which were for india's own interests.

All talk about how you're developing this and that, and very few mentions of instances of doing development.

Till date pakistan has not been able to gather evidance against India,The pakistan internal minister rahman malik just says that He knows and has enough proofs against India, but whats the use when he is not exposing it?

We have been over this dude..
Rehman malik is irrelevent, quit trying to bring him up.
We have insiders within ISI and army confirming that india is involved heavily in supporting terrorists.
The support is mostly funding - weapons and financial. We also have reports of some hindu extremists fighting along TTP - I don't know how credible this is but I have heard this not from one but from several people.
We have report of two extremist brainwashers in upper dir who turned out to be indian hindus. Again - this is from ISI insiders.


If this is so unbelievable to you, you should recap what purohit and his gang were up to. They were learning arabic to go and brainwash arab and Afghani muslims for Jihad. It didn't say where this Jihad was directed to, but I am sure it's prettty obvious. And this was reported in indian media. Don't try to deny it or use childish personal attacks or sarcasm to divert the topic.

So yes, there's plenty of evidence, and besides this there's photoes of insurgents meeting their RAW masters.

Now why isn't the evidence being shown to public?

If you go by history, then evidence is normally not shown to public. Evidence has been shown to US, GoI, and Afghanistan. All these 3 parties have interests in supporting TTP and BLA, so that's why they reject the evidence. But insider ISI and army information - not just from 1 but several sources - indicates heavy support for TTP by RAW. Mostly funding support, such as weapons and money.

 

[amarnath]

You need to prove that you're the one doing something, not me. A few handful projects in 8 years is not a great achievement, some of which were for india's own interests.

All talk about how you're developing this and that, and very few mentions of instances of doing development.

Well well well, Afghans are satisfied with our development there and hence we are popular amongst them, Why need to prove it to u, when GOI has already Invested billions of $ There for Infrastructure development and Educating the Afgans...

We have been over this dude..
Rehman malik is irrelevent, quit trying to bring him up.
We have insiders within ISI and army confirming that india is involved heavily in supporting terrorists.
The support is mostly funding - weapons and financial. We also have reports of some hindu extremists fighting along TTP - I don't know how credible this is but I have heard this not from one but from several people.
We have report of two extremist brainwashers in upper dir who turned out to be indian hindus. Again - this is from ISI insiders.


If this is so unbelievable to you, you should recap what purohit and his gang were up to. They were learning arabic to go and brainwash arab and Afghani muslims for Jihad. It didn't say where this Jihad was directed to, but I am sure it's prettty obvious. And this was reported in indian media. Don't try to deny it or use childish personal attacks or sarcasm to divert the topic.

So yes, there's plenty of evidence, and besides this there's photoes of insurgents meeting their RAW masters.

Now why isn't the evidence being shown to public?

If you go by history, then evidence is normally not shown to public. Evidence has been shown to US, GoI, and Afghanistan. All these 3 parties have interests in supporting TTP and BLA, so that's why they reject the evidence. But insider ISI and army information - not just from 1 but several sources - indicates heavy support for TTP by RAW. Mostly funding support, such as weapons and money.

Ok If those proofs were credible Enough ,Pakistan should have presented it before the United nations security council,Of which China is the head.... Why is it not? U even come to say That UNSC is supporting India too? Come on enough of you blah blahs, post if u have anything credible....

 

[SMC]

We have gone over plenty of times as to how that survey cannot be taken seriously. If you want to try to bring up a dead debate sure go about it. I will not waste time on it.


As far as taking evidence elsewhere goes, the US pressures Pakistan not take evidence. Because it's not in US interests if Pakistan takes evidence to public or UN. And again, evidence is always first shared with states, not UN. We do have more than enough evidence of indian involvement kid, like I said, and insider ISI and army reports show heavy indian involvement. You remember how no one took serious indian accusations against Pakistan not too long ago? Because it wasn't in their interests to do that. Same goes for us now.

 

[Hulk]

We have gone over plenty of times as to how that survey cannot be taken seriously. If you want to try to bring up a dead debate sure go about it. I will not waste time on it.


As far as taking evidence elsewhere goes, the US pressures Pakistan not take evidence. Because it's not in US interests if Pakistan takes evidence to public or UN. And again, evidence is always first shared with states, not UN. We do have more than enough evidence of indian involvement kid, like I said, and insider ISI and army reports show heavy indian involvement. You remember how no one took serious indian accusations against Pakistan not too long ago? Because it wasn't in their interests to do that. Same goes for us now.

When Pakistan refuses to take US request to start operation in NW it is not under us pressure. There is a list of such refusals by Pakistan to USA. But when it comes to evidence against India, they are under US pressure. Nothing can be funnier then this. Also they can shout about evidence but cannot provide one.

 

[mrwarrior006]

@asq

It is our bussiness when u intefere

we are not interfering in pakistan are we

 

[SMC]

When Pakistan refuses to take US request to start operation in NW it is not under us pressure. There is a list of such refusals by Pakistan to USA. But when it comes to evidence against India, they are under US pressure. Nothing can be funnier then this. Also they can shout about evidence but cannot provide one.

There's a big difference between the two. One is a request to have an operation. Other can have far reaching consequences and will put heavy pressure on US to end the war - as from what we understand we also have evidence of CIA support of terrorism and ISI chief gave the evidence to CIA counterpart for that.

Moreover, I think we should go to UN regardless. I know for a fact that terrorism is being sponsered by india and maybe US - from ISI and army insiders - and we should give middle finger to the US for letting india continue its terrorism policy and do the right thing. This PPP government is far more spineless than what people can accuse Musharraf government of.

 

[karan.1970]

So in fact the road was for india's own interests to transport its good from India to Afghanistan via Iran.

That road is not exclusively for INdian trade use.. Whats wrong with mutual interests?

 

[karan.1970]

Talibans were the creation at the time to face Russians and than the war lords who were using Afghanistan to destablize the region with drug bussiness, Pakistan had to take action to not only help Afghanistan but the continant rid of these lords.

and replace them with Taliban>> It turned out they were worse.. Didnt it??

so don't give us a shpeel about how India is helping Afghanistan, we know India very well since our Indepandance the policies it has carried out against Pakistan and this is one of those policies under the guise of help.

If you say so.. But excuse me for believing a survey of Afghan people(even if you say it was biased) over your analysis (which I know is biased)

Perhaps India has not heard of the saying, That charity begins at home.

Perhaps you havent heard of the saying..You reap what you sow...

 

[karan.1970]

We have insiders within ISI and army confirming that india is involved heavily in supporting terrorists.
The support is mostly funding - weapons and financial.

Dude.. You say that this is an inside information from ISI and army as if there word is the word of Allah. The 2 institutions you mention above are actually the biggest India haters in this world. So if they are saying that India is indulging in terrorism in Pakistan, please excuse me for treating that as the worst piece of garbage possible..

If there is proof, show it to a neutral party to even proove that there are indians (state or non state) involved in the NWFP. Else can it..

 

[SMC]

I couldn't care less if you don't trust them. Also, what neutral party do you suggest. Pretty much anyone involved in Afghanistan cannot be considered a neutral party. Those parties also run the UN. So that takes out UN as a neutral party. We have given evidence to the GoI, US government, CIA, and Afghan government. However, all these parties have interests at stake so they cannot be expected to acknowledge indian support for terrorism..

Also, like I said, not too long ago, india also accused Pakistan for terrorism and no one took it seriously. Because it was not in their interests. They only act when its in their interests. The states are not as friendly and nice as you think.

 

[asq]

@asq


we are not interfering in pakistan are we

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