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By | Atta Rasool Malik

In the line of prophets Hazrat Yaqub (Arabic), Yakov (Hebrew), Jacob (English) is the most prominent patriarch of Jews after Hazrat Ibrahim, (Abraham). The state of Israel was named after Hazrat Yaqub whose title was Israel. Jews look upon prophets of God as their forefathers/ancestors rather than perfect spiritual leaders/models. Quran also call upon Jews as Bani Israel; Children of Israel or Children of Hazrat Yaqub. Politics apart, Jews are monotheists and Judaism is closest religion to Islam after newly developed Ahmediya religion. Furthermore, Jews are not non-believers rather have a special status in Islam called ‘The People of Book’.

Pakistan and Israel are two states whose concept of nationhood rests on religious ideology. However, despite striking similarities in many ways, both states do not have diplomatic relations. Till date Pakistan does not recognize Israel as legitimate party to the conflict in Palestine. Initially, it was due to moral support to over confident Arabs which were then determined to erase Israel from World’s map and in later years Israel’s dogmatic policies and inhuman treatment of Palestinians prevented normal diplomatic relations. Arabs did not succeed in their war aim due to determination of Bani Israel and massive support of United States. Arabs put up very good fight during Arab-Israel War of 1973, but political outcome was stalemate due to Americans diplomatic and military involvement. Then Arabs in particular and Muslim world in general realized that Israel is a reality in the Middle East. Pakistan also realized the fact that Israel is important country.

Premier Secret Service of Pakistan (ISI) and Israel (MOSSAD) had developed good working relations during Afghan War (1979-1988). At numerous occasions, particularly after year 1995, Pakistan appreciated importance of working relations with Israel due to colossal manipulating and lobbying power of Israel and its control over International Media and financial Institutions. However, despite this realization Pakistan did not recognise Israel due to frequent brutal ill treatment of Palestinians. Common people of Pakistan had highly negative image of State of Israel and no politician and military ruler was ready to confront public anger.

It was widely believed that during Gen Musharaf era, Pakistan and Israel established informal contacts and later even foreign ministers of the two countries met in Turkey in 2005. Israel and Pakistan agreed to draw certain red lines to overcome deep seated suspicions and to prevent breakout of hostilities, through good offices of Turkey. Israel assured that it had no problem with Pakistan’s nuclear bombs if her nuclear and missile technology was not proliferated to Middle East and no militant group against Israel was encouraged or facilitated. In return Israel agreed not to support India in any form; assistance in espionage and sabotage, anti-Pakistan lobbying and provision of sensitive military technology and equipment. However, routine sale of weapons to India by Israel was understandable. Relation/equation generally worked very well and threshold was not crossed by either party.

In the recent years, Israel has gone over confident /embolden as the Arabs were in 1950s. No doubt Israel has achieved few spectacular successes in Middle East. Israel has defeated many of its opponents. Libya and Iraq; the supporters of Palestinian victims have been decisively defeated. Syria, The claimant of Golan Heights is in a miserable state and its infrastructure totally demolished. Saudi Arabia due to its erratic policies is entangled in Yemen and now with Qatar. Americans on behest of Israel have introduced “Real democracy” in Egypt under “Field Marshal” Abdel Fattah al-Sisi. Israel has achieved all this through her traditional and well known techniques i.e. Intrigues, sabotage, subversion and above all by exploiting stupidities of Muslim rulers of Middle East. Now Israel is celebrating the occupation of Palestine, Benjamin Netanyahu, boasting and patting his own back. Israel has rapidly started crushing Palestinian movement. Expansion of Jewish settlements in on the rise. More recently the young Muslims are barred from praying in Al-aqsa Mosque.

Israel has no legitimate interest in the neighbourhood of Pakistan but reassured and comforted Israel is reaching out to Pakistan’s neighbourhood. Israel’s MOSSAD footprint in Afghanistan is clearly visible. Its relationship with ISIS is well identified. Israel policy of creating friction amongst Muslim countries has long history and it continues till day with full vigour. Israeli efforts to create sectarian divide between Sunni and Shia Muslim are known to local leaders in many Muslim countries/communities.

Jews love for ‘golden calf’ is well documented in Torah and it is no surprise for Pakistani Muslims in fondness of Israel for India. Israeli Zionists are getting close to BJP, fanatic idol worshippers of India. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu along with his entire cabinet went to Tel Aviv’s Ben Gurion airport to receive Modi in a rare gesture previously reserved for US presidents. India has hired Israeli firms to defame Pakistan. A day ahead of Modi’s visit, a senior official from the Israeli foreign ministry said his country stands with India against terrorism emanating from Pakistan and was not asking for a quid pro quo. Statement was clear departure of established Israeli foreign policy. Israeli and Indian lobbies have started working together against Pakistan.

Israel relationship with India is not benign. Israel is providing sensitive military equipment and drones to India. Israel is helping India to inflict decisive blows to Kashmiri freedom fighters and create trouble in Afghanistan. Israel is punching beyond its weight.

It is time to talk straight to Israel. Israel is a legitimate party to the conflict in the Middle East but its illegitimate efforts to weaken Pakistan must be checked through offensive measures.

Author has good understanding of state of Israel and Judaism. He holds an M.Phil degree in International Relations from National Defence University, Islamabad. He can be reached at attarasul@hotmail.com
 
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He talk a lot of reasons for Pakistan to establish relationships with the state of Israel alright yet I fail to see a particularly good reason for Israel to do the same, what do we have to gain from Pakistan that I can't see?
 
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Pakistan having no influence over Israel is good for India - Israel relations.
 
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He talk a lot of reasons for Pakistan to establish relationships with the state of Israel alright yet I fail to see a particularly good reason for Israel to do the same, what do we have to gain from Pakistan that I can't see?
A non Arab nation to influence peace within the region.
 
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A non Arab nation to influence peace within the region.

Kurdistan?
Azerbaijan?
Turkey?
Plus, there are millions of Muslims in India.

Actually most of Jews are atheists. The most none-believer percentage among any religion follower...

52 percent of Jews do NOT believe in God

And no, I don't believe in God so what? Am I a sinner? Do I not deserve A state where I would not be persecuted for my origins? Who are you to judge a man's belief?
 
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Kurdistan?
Azerbaijan?
Turkey?
Plus, there are millions of Muslims in India.



And no, I don't believe in God so what? Am I a sinner? Do I not deserve A state where I would not be persecuted for my origins? Who are you to judge a man's belief?
Neither of them provide a large percentage of troop & training support to Israeli neighbors
 
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Actually most of Jews are atheists. The most none-believer percentage among any religion follower...

52 percent of Jews do NOT believe in God

Jews and Persians have always been friends since the time of Cyrus. Ironically, both Jews and Persians are also astonishingly the most hostile towards Arab Muslims ever since the rise of Islam.

Go figure.
 
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Pakistan and Israel are two states whose concept of nationhood rests on religious ideology.
The problem is that this statement is incorrect. That it is widely held and propagated throughout Pakistan, generation after generation, does not make it any more accurate.

The core ideal of Zionism isn't religion; it is nationalism, the idea that the Jewish people - like the French, Italians, Turks, etc. - are a nation and as such entitled to self-determination.

"The Jews are a people and Judaism is their religion" is the correct formulation.

You can see right away that Israel thus avoided, to a great degree, the problems afflicting Pakistan: the question of who is or isn't a Jew is settled by blood or adoption, not religious observance. (Very close to the German formulation, really, where Germans - even if their forebears had lived in Russia for hundreds of years - are still welcomed back to Germany and entitled to automatic citizenship.)

So having been founded upon a flawed premise, the reasoning that follows it in the essay is flawed as well, and therefore its conclusions are logically invalid.
 
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Neither of them provide a large percentage of troop & training support to Israeli neighbors

I don't understand, what do you mean by that?
If you are talking about Pakistan training to Arabian countries in the Gulf or perhaps Jordan and Egypt then it still does not affect Israel in the slightest since we do not have any conflict with them nowadays; but, had Pakistan been doing the same with Hezbollah or Hamas it had been true that we would seek out those relationships with Pakistan but that is not the case here.
 
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Article is Crap. Pakistan only had low level relations with Mossad during the Afghan War for the sake of weapons. Later Mushi tried his *** hard to establish relations with Israel but fellow Generals excessively opposed the decision therefore he had to back off. Preliminary pressured by his masters in the US to take such step.

Pakistan has threats from Israel as much as some other rival do. These Zionists can never be sincere with the Muslims no matter what. Its in their blood to lie, exploit and massacre. Their primary objective is to establish greater Israel territory. Which they actually failed but I've noticed this Horus guy unnecessarily trying to pinch Pro-Israel narrative with Pakistan.
 
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These Zionists can never be sincere with the Muslims no matter what. Its in their blood to lie, exploit and massacre.
Yet for some reason Israel is the most reliable and steadfast of allies and somehow the Zionists are very incompetent at the "lie, exploit and massacre" role you've attributed to them. I suppose that's all a mystery to you, isn't it?
 
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Yet for some reason Israel is the most reliable and steadfast of allies and somehow the Zionists are very incompetent at the "lie, exploit and massacre" role you've attributed to them. I suppose that's all a mystery to you, isn't it?
Allies to who?
Here comes the zionist crap propoganda again

Israel the supposed holier than thou ally of the USA had spies within US military and US defence contractors.
Israel fired at and attacked a US navy ship in the 60s.
Israel sent both US derived and proprietary technology to China
Israel the ally of the europeans conducted espionage against them, allowed hit men to run amok.

Israel is the perfect example of a backstabbing ally

The only reason it truly has an alliance in the Us has to do with a very strong euro Jewish lobby that came from those zionists escaping Europe who brought their wealth into the US to invest and then eventually create powerful lobbies.

So if by ally means essentially legally bribing and coercing elected officials to carry out biddings, yes; Israel is a great ally.
 
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Allies to who?
@Mini Tank knows at least some of the details: maybe he'll share the rest of what he knows.

Israel the supposed holier than thou ally of the USA had spies...Israel is the perfect example of a backstabbing ally
Uh-uh. Naughty, naughty! You can't pass judgment on alleged deeds if you fail to prove the veracity or are omitting their context.

The only reason it truly has an alliance in the Us has to do with a very strong euro Jewish lobby that came from those zionists escaping Europe who brought their wealth -
And you're clearly out of your realm of knowledge here. The State Department allowed very few Jews into the U.S. from Hitler's Europe and those that did had to leave their money behind.

You're entitled to your own opinion, Oscar, but not your own "facts". Which means you're not entitled to portray convenient inventions as facts. Sure, it's unfair that some peoples have a cleaner slate than others. Is the right reaction to slander the good guys or to model your own conduct after theirs?
 
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