A step in the wrong direction

[Abacin]

@Bussard Ramjet
Pls compare Chinese Xingjiang with Assam, other Northeastern states and Kashmir in India. We are tired of your Chinese this and Chinese that. We ruled Xingjiang and Tibet hundreds of years, while you only have had hands on those princely states siafter 1940s through your master British.

The guy you cited was the party secretary of the newspaper or magzine. He was put there by the CCP to look after the political rightness for the CCP. If he did not do the job right the CCP would of course remove him.

Compared to India Northeast, Xinjiang and Tibet are the heaven. That's why India never dares to promote border trades in those areas even though India paints Tibet as the hell. Chinese are even prohibited from those regions.

 

[kankan326]

That is not the point, which I will congratulate you in diverting from.

The points and issues are not about terrorism and how China chose to deal with it, but about suppressing open debate on China's policy in dealing with terrorism.

You can effectively close the debate by saying you support the oppression of the press in China. Simple as that. Your land, your rules.

How do you know we can't openly debate China's anti-terrorism policy? There are some Chinese muslims forums(link:时事论坛 - 中穆网 - 最大的汉语穆斯林社区) Chinese muslims always discussing Xinjiang issues there. This guy was punished because he made some bad influence on the anti-terrorism work.

 

[Abacin]

All the more reason for you to worry, why there is such violence happening in those areas. Also, why you are not able to convince everyone to maintain unity.



What are the good things?

Americans and the West people have better personal qualities than Chinese. This is the most important reason why China is still lagging the west. This is also officially recognized by Chinese government. We chinese need to improve ourselves. The western people are better in team works, logic reasoning, respecting other people's work. and respecting data and truth. The Western people have been in market economy for more than 300-400 years while we are just in the early stage. These people do not include reporters and politicians. They are corrupted due to power and money. I always read Chinese news and English news at the same time to avoid brainwashing by western media.

One clear brainwashing is the Tibet. Almost every news in United States related to Tibet will have this sentence: Tibet was invaded by China in 1959. I spent sometime to check United States official maps of China. Since 1840, all of them mapped Tibet as part of China. The west is very good at manipulating news.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Compared to India Northeast, Xinjiang and Tibet are the heaven.

Dunno your definition of Heaven, but greater HDI certainly is not one of the parameters i guess.

http://megplanning.gov.in/MHDR/2.pdf

From the point of HDI majority of NE states happen to be better off than Tibet or Xinjiang for almost a decade early.

Here 2005 HDI values for NE states

Arunachal Pradesh : 0.617
Assam : 0.534
Manipur : 0.707
Meghalaya : 0.585
Mizoram : 0.790
Nagaland: 0.770
Sikkim : 0.684

With the exception of Assam every NE state has higher quality of life than a Tibetan in 2013

4 NE states : Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland and Sikkim have has higher quality of life than a Xinjiang resident in 2013

Tibet HDI 2013 : 0.569

Xinjaing HDI 2013 : 0.667


While NE states in India have some highest quality of life compared to other Indian states

Urban Arunchal Pradesh highest HDI all over urban India at 0.877
Urban Mizoram 2nd highest HDI all over urban India at 0.872
Rural Nagaland 4th highest HDI all over rural India at 0.750


Xinjiang and Tibet are among the lowest HDI provinces of China for 2013.

List of administrative divisions of Greater China by Human Development Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's why India never dares to promote border trades in those areas

First lies

Indo-China border trade through Nathula rises to Rs 16.04 crore - timesofindia-economictimes

Nathula pass lies in Gangtok, which is the capital of Sikkim an NE state.

even though India paints Tibet as the hell.

Second lies

Can you show even a single Indian mainstream media article covering Tibet negatively?

Chinese are even prohibited from those regions.

Third Lies

No prohibition for Chinese tourists visiting NE.
Only special permit application is needed.

Now, only Pak & China nationals need special permits to visit NE - The Times of India

 

[gambit]

You do not understand United States well because you do not have comparisons. For me as a Chinese citizens living as PR in United States, I compare every details in United States with China. There is a chinese saying: Sideliners can watch more clearly. I can see good things and bad things of United States through comparisons.

Unfortunately for you, I do have a lot of comparisons to go by. Probably more than you do.

For starter, I am not a white American. I am a Vietnamese-American who fled in 1975. By the way, the Vietnam War would not have happened if China had stayed out of Viet Nam after WW II. Further, not only am I a US citizen, I am also a USAF veteran who have been overseas, from Asia to Europe to the ME. I am older and more experienced than you do in many ways.

 

[Abacin]

Americans and the West people have better personal qualities than Chinese. This is the most important reason why China is still lagging the west. This is also officially recognized by Chinese government. We chinese need to improve ourselves. The western people are better in team works, logic reasoning, respecting other people's work. and respecting data and truth. The Western people have been in market economy for more than 300-400 years while we are just in the early stage. These people do not include reporters and politicians. They are corrupted due to power and money. I always read Chinese news and English news at the same time to avoid brainwashing by western media.

One clear brainwashing is the Tibet. Almost every news in United States related to Tibet will have this sentence: Tibet was invaded by China in 1959. I spent sometime to check United States official maps of China. Since 1840, all of them mapped Tibet as part of China. The west is very good at manipulating news.

The tibet lie exists in the west because of geopolitical needs and western pride. But lies alway pay the price. All western revolutions are related to secular politics, liberating Western from dark era of Christian rules. But Dalai led an religious army similar to ISIS in 1960-70s and still are manipulating politics by religion. This causes the revivals of Christian fundamentalists and Islam fundamentalists. This will become a major trouble for the west.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Americans and the West people have better personal qualities than Chinese. This is the most important reason why China is still lagging the west. This is also officially recognized by Chinese government. We chinese need to improve ourselves. The western people are better in team works, logic reasoning, respecting other people's work. and respecting data and truth. The Western people have been in market economy for more than 300-400 years while we are just in the early stage. These people do not include reporters and politicians. They are corrupted due to power and money. I always read Chinese news and English news at the same time to avoid brainwashing by western media.

One clear brainwashing is the Tibet. Almost every news in United States related to Tibet will have this sentence: Tibet was invaded by China in 1959. I spent sometime to check United States official maps of China. Since 1840, all of them mapped Tibet as part of China. The west is very good at manipulating news.

China seriously needs the rule of law. But this will also mean, that China will need to have to initiate a system that respects everyone's opinion and values.

Unfortunately for you, I do have a lot of comparisons to go by. Probably more than you do.

For starter, I am not a white American. I am a Vietnamese-American who fled in 1975. By the way, the Vietnam War would not have happened if China had stayed out of Viet Nam after WW II. Further, not only am I a US citizen, I am also a USAF veteran who have been overseas, from Asia to Europe to the ME. I am older and more experienced than you do in many ways.

This is some load of crap.

China did stay out of Vietnam, though they did help the Vietcongs. Also, Vietnam war would always have happened.

French were the most stubborn imperialists, hell bent on maintaining their colonies.

 

[kankan326]

Unfortunately for you, I do have a lot of comparisons to go by. Probably more than you do.

For starter, I am not a white American. I am a Vietnamese-American who fled in 1975. By the way, the Vietnam War would not have happened if China had stayed out of Viet Nam after WW II. Further, not only am I a US citizen, I am also a USAF veteran who have been overseas, from Asia to Europe to the ME. I am older and more experienced than you do in many ways.

Yeah right. if USA stayed out Vietnam after WWII,the war wouldn't happen too. But you make it seem it's all China's fault. I didn't see an open minded person here.

 

[Sanchez]

Compared to India Northeast, Xinjiang and Tibet are the heaven. That's why India never dares to promote border trades in those areas even though India paints Tibet as the hell. Chinese are even prohibited from those regions.

Not only Chinese but also other foreigners are not allowed to visit "Northeastern states" of India. An "Indian" poster Abotani said: "It is here that anyone who "isn't supposed" to there is usually caught.Let alone you, even if I go to manipur without proper papers, it can be trouble".

Pathetic and big mouth might be the characters you can easily find on Indian posters here.

 

[gambit]

Yeah right. if USA stayed out Vietnam after WWII,the war wouldn't happen too. But you make it seem it's all China's fault. I didn't see an open minded person here.

Did you know that it was the US, under Roosevelt, who wanted Indochina, which were Laos, Cambodia, and Viet Nam, to be free of France and under UN trusteeship towards independence ? And that Stalin and Chiang agreed ? But guess who meddled in Viet Nam with the Vietnamese Communists ? If anyone's mind is closed, go look in the mirror.

This is some load of crap.

China did stay out of Vietnam, though they did help the Vietcongs. Also, Vietnam war would always have happened.

French were the most stubborn imperialists, hell bent on maintaining their colonies.

See above.

 

[Abacin]

You are cleanly one of the most brain-washed.

You had the hatred in the beginning. You are brought up with hatred. There is a Chinese saying: Hatred is the start of falling. ISIS has full hatred. Just look what kind of demons they are. But they still believe they are the right ones.

Also Military soldiers are the most brain-washed people. This is the same everywhere. When Bush called a justice war for Iraq, you still went for it. You were told that you liberated Iraq people, but instead you killed more iraq people than Saddam.

 

[gambit]

You are cleanly one of the most brain-washed.

You had the hatred in the beginning. You are brought up with hatred. There is a Chinese saying: Hatred is the start of falling. ISIS has full hatred. Just look what kind of demons they are. But they still believe they are the right ones.

Also Military soldiers are the most brain-washed people. This is the same everywhere. When Bush called a justice war for Iraq, you still went for it. You were told that you liberated Iraq people, but instead you killed more iraq people than Saddam.

Now begins the intellectual deterioration of the thread.

 

[Abacin]

Did you know that it was the US, under Roosevelt, who wanted Indochina, which were Laos, Cambodia, and Viet Nam, to be free of France and under UN trusteeship towards independence ? And that Stalin and Chiang agreed ? But guess who meddled in Viet Nam with the Vietnamese Communists ? If anyone's mind is closed, go look in the mirror.


See above.

I admire Roosevelt. No one dislikes Roosevelt, including Chinese and CCP. In Chinese textbooks, not a single bad word for Roosevelt, full of praises. He set up social security for people and he really worked hard to set United Nations and many systems for world peace. But American policies after Roosevelt were completely different. US only interested in hegemony afterwards. Any major policies in United States for people after Roosevelt, besides Civil rights led by Martin Luther King? None. Any major policies to promote world peace? None. Only geopolitics and hegemony in the mind of US politicians. Korean wars, Vietnam wars, Iraq wars, all for US domination.

The world admired Roosevelts' America. This was the America to save the world. But afterwards, United States become hated by more and more people, now even fellow Europeans.

Now world only admire Dollar, not United states.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Now begins the intellectual deterioration of the thread.

Not yet!
No Chinese member has bought you ethnicity in the discussion so far

 

[kankan326]

Did you know that it was the US, under Roosevelt, who wanted Indochina, which were Laos, Cambodia, and Viet Nam, to be free of France and under UN trusteeship towards independence ? And that Stalin and Chiang agreed ? But guess who meddled in Viet Nam with the Vietnamese Communists ? If anyone's mind is closed, go look in the mirror.


See above.

Didn't Roosevelt pass away in 1945? Do you believe his idea was valid till Vietnam war?