A step in the wrong direction

[Zero_wing]

It's his fault that he sympathize with terrorists, terrorists don't deserve any human rights.

I would agree if we talking about ISIS or the taliban but generalized all of the people in area really? no wonder china trying to systematically wipe them out.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Hu's main followers, Communist Youth League, are also under purge now. This group of party members, showed no respect of works done by Mao and previous generations. They knelt before the West. Everything West is good, while everything China did is wrong. They are one of the most hated people in China now. The one-Child policy was also set by Hu in 1980s. This policy is so hated by Han Chinese. And it was just reversed. I can sense a big change in the party and government to distant itself from Hu's traditions. Changes in minority policy and regelion policy are expected, which will receive widely popularity as the reverse of one child policy.

The work of Mao, after 1960, are legitimately worthy of no respect.

And this is not said by me. The 3rd party plenum of the 11th CPC Central Committee, itself rejected many of Mao's decisions including that on many people like Peng Dehuai, and laid partial blame on Mao, for damaging the Party, and of starting the Cultural Revolution.

Also, it was only since the 1980s that China has started to develop, not under the reign of the mad days under Mao.

 

[Abacin]

I bet that Xi would soon remove minorities's privileges in legal areas. Openly opposing to the constitutions, Hu in 1980s passed many laws allowing minorities to have special privileges in criminal cases. Now many courts even do not dare to sentence Minorities for criminal activities, afraid of breaking minority policies and getting punished. In many cases, minorities murdered Han Chinese and got very light sentences. The terrorism in Xinjiang by Uyghurs is clearly encouraged by this stupid minority policy.

I would agree if we talking about ISIS or the taliban but generalized all of the people in area really? no wonder china trying to systematically wipe them out.

He was the party member and government officials. Go to talk to your boss and openly object to his polcies. Try to see if you will get laid off or not.

This is not about the freedom of speech. This is about government and party rules, just as corporation rules. If you break the rules of the company, you get laid off. As simple as this.

 

[Zero_wing]

I bet that Xi would soon remove minorities's privileges in legal areas. Openly opposing to the constitutions, Hu in 1980s passed many laws allowing minorities to have special privileges in criminal cases. Now many courts even do not dare to sentence Minorities for criminal activities, afraid of breaking minority policies and getting punished. In many cases, minorities murdered Han Chinese and got very light sentences. The terrorism in Xinjiang by Uyghurs is clearly encouraged by this stupid minority policy.


He was the party member and government officials. Go to talk to your boss and openly object to his polcies. Try to see if you will get laid off or not.

This is not about the freedom of speech. This is about government and party rules, just as corporation rules. If you break the rules of the company, you get laid off. As simple as this.

Really do you have evidence i have boss and why are we saying crap that is illogical for people who have common sense? are claiming huge bodies of waters etc oh please this coming from the country dont even have the balls to face us in international forum! Forever the closet cowards.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

I bet that Xi would soon remove minorities's privileges in legal areas. Openly opposing to the constitutions, Hu in 1980s passed many laws allowing minorities to have special privileges in criminal cases. Now many courts even do not dare to sentence Minorities for criminal activities, afraid of breaking minority policies and getting punished. In many cases, minorities murdered Han Chinese and got very light sentences. The terrorism in Xinjiang by Uyghurs is clearly encouraged by this stupid minority policy.


He was the party member and government officials. Go to talk to your boss and openly object to his polcies. Try to see if you will get laid off or not.

This is not about the freedom of speech. This is about government and party rules, just as corporation rules. If you break the rules of the company, you get laid off. As simple as this.

Yes. But you don't get prosecuted, and are put in jail. (Which is being reported right now in media, that the person is soon going to be prosecuted.)

Also, a government is not a corporation. Plus, good corporations allow handsome debate within the company.

I don't think the person was using any bad language. He was just disagreeing with some of the policies of the party in Xinjiang.

 

[Abacin]

The work of Mao, after 1960, are legitimately worthy of no respect.

And this is not said by me. The 3rd party plenum of the 11th CPC Central Committee, itself rejected many of Mao's decisions including that on many people like Peng Dehuai, and laid partial blame on Mao, for damaging the Party, and of starting the Cultural Revolution.

Also, it was only since the 1980s that China has started to develop, not under the reign of the mad days under Mao.

Mao's cultural revolution is what makes India and China different now. Cultural revolution completely removed class system in China and made everyone equal. A peasant can work to become a CEO of a large corporation and no one feel strange in China while India is still mired in caste systems. A peasant can work to challenge Western multinationals in China while this is unthinkable for people in India, Hong Kong and Taiwan. This is how China becomes the No. 1 manufacturing power because everyone in China believe that we can make it, and we can do it while people in other countries feel great if they can use western products.

Deng devalued Cultural revolution just wanted to prove that the coup in 1976 was valid. But after 1989, China has decided to let history judge cultural revolution. You rarely see official comments on Cultural revolution. Only proteges of Hu are still defaming cultural revolution. Cultural revolution mainly affected millions of intellectuals, those used to be top in Chinese classes, but Hu's one-child policy, minority policy and religion policy affected billions. Chinese people hate Hu's policies much more cultural revolution.

The growth of Chinese economy in 1980s was not as good as other stages. This was why the color revolution in 1989 happened. Chinese economy started to fly after 1992 when Deng wanted to balance both left and right.

Yes. But you don't get prosecuted, and are put in jail. (Which is being reported right now in media, that the person is soon going to be prosecuted.)

Also, a government is not a corporation. Plus, good corporations allow handsome debate within the company.

I don't think the person was using any bad language. He was just disagreeing with some of the policies of the party in Xinjiang.

Many people breaking corporation rule also get legal sentence. It depends on the damage.

You must understand that he is in a position to do something, not just words as ordinary people.

 

[Zero_wing]

Mao's cultural revolution is what makes India and China different now. Cultural revolution completely removed class system in China and made everyone equal. A peasant can work to become a CEO of a large corporation and no one feel strange in China while India is still mired in caste systems. A peasant can work to challenge Western multinationals in China while this is unthinkable for people in India, Hong Kong and Taiwan. This is how China becomes the No. 1 manufacturing power because everyone in China believe that we can make it, and we can do it while people in other countries feel great if they can use western products.

Deng devalued Cultural revolution just wanted to prove that the coup in 1976 was valid. But after 1989, China has decided to let history judge cultural revolution. You rarely see official comments on Cultural revolution. Only proteges of Hu are still defaming cultural revolution. Cultural revolution mainly affected millions of intellectuals, those used to be top in Chinese classes, but Hu's one-child policy, minority policy and religion policy affected billions. Chinese people hate Hu's policies much more cultural revolution.

The growth of Chinese economy in 1980s was not as good as other stages. This was why the color revolution in 1989 happened. Chinese economy started to fly after 1992 when Deng wanted to balance both left and right.


Many people breaking corporation rule also get legal sentence. It depends on the damage.

It killed many people millions that's the difference

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Mao's cultural revolution is what makes India and China different now. Cultural revolution completely removed class system in China and made everyone equal. A peasant can work to become a CEO of a large corporation and no one feel strange in China while India is still mired in caste systems. A peasant can work to challenge Western multinationals in China while this is unthinkable for people in India, Hong Kong and Taiwan. This is how China becomes the No. 1 manufacturing power because everyone in China believe that we can make it, and we can do it while people in other countries feel great if they can use western products.

Deng devalued Cultural revolution just wanted to prove that the coup in 1976 was valid. But after 1989, China has decided to let history judge cultural revolution. You rarely see official comments on Cultural revolution. Only proteges of Hu are still defaming cultural revolution. Cultural revolution mainly affected millions of intellectuals, those used to be top in Chinese classes, but Hu's one-child policy, minority policy and religion policy affected billions. Chinese people hate Hu's policies much more cultural revolution.

The growth of Chinese economy in 1980s was not as good as other stages. This was why the color revolution in 1989 happened. Chinese economy started to fly after 1992 when Deng wanted to balance both left and right.


Many people breaking corporation rule also get legal sentence. It depends on the damage.

You must understand that he is in a position to do something, not just words as ordinary people.

No cultural revolution did nothing good to China.

China and India are different beasts altogether. China since before the World War, had no caste system. It only had classes, which were largely undone by 1960.

China was set back a decade because of Cultural Revolution.

Also, you should be thankful for the coup of 1976, or China would have gone on the path of North Korea.

As for intellectuals, there will always be intellectuals, and they are the ones who take the country forward. Their persecution led to total break down of Chinese system.

 

[cutitout]

There are inhumane policies in Xinjiang, that are too intrusive, everything from, the shape and size of beard, to drinking etc.

It is not until the spread of religious conservatism in Xinjiang did the conventions of wearing Burka, growing beard and abstaining from alcohol appear in this area . If you look at Uighur's relative ethnics in central Asia like Kazakhs and Kyrgyz people which are free of these traditions, you'll notice that the emergence of these conventions is obviously abnormal and a phenomena of desecularization. This is actually the consequence of introduction of Islamic extremism which is also a form of fundamentalism forcing people to observe some backward medieval traditions and resorting to violence to achieve political goals as you know by separatists. The separatists delude ordinary Uyghur people into thinking that not wearing Burqa, not growing beards and following the secular laws are not Islamic and are forced by Han Chinse government to leave them a impression that the government and Han Chinese are persecuting them. As a result, brainwashed people picked up those backward traditions considering it as resistance against the so-called ethnic oppression. Therefore, bans on these conventions should be reckoned as measures to get rid of extremism and desecularization. That's simply lesser of two evils principle.

 

[Abacin]

It killed many people millions that's the difference

Where do you get the number millions? Why not billions?

You must understand that this is revolution. All revolutions are bloody. British Capitalism Revolution, French Revolution, American Revolution and Chinese Revolution. Bloody revolutions cost lives, but it makes the nation rise rapidly. This is why P5 sits permanent seats and rule this planets, while countries like Japan and India can only whine.

Cultural Revolution is the most least bloody form. Without revolution, there will never be rise of India.

Only revolution can motivate billions of low class people in India. Otherwise, the only choice for India is to ignore those billions of people, and have the 10% high class people become servants of P5 and get a high income life, just like Taiwan, Hong Kong or Japan are doing.

And also Russia revolution. Gorbachev denies the importance of Russian revolution. Russia falls rapidly.

 

[gambit]

Is he a terrorists sympathizer? If yes, nice move.


Please show me an example. Which country had eliminated terrorism by giving terrorists more freedom? All we have are contrary cases. Such as in Chechnya, in Iraq, in Syria.

That is not the point, which I will congratulate you in diverting from.

The points and issues are not about terrorism and how China chose to deal with it, but about suppressing open debate on China's policy in dealing with terrorism.

You can effectively close the debate by saying you support the oppression of the press in China. Simple as that. Your land, your rules.

 

[cutitout]

No cultural revolution did nothing good to China.

China and India are different beasts altogether. China since before the World War, had no caste system. It only had classes, which were largely undone by 1960.

China was set back a decade because of Cultural Revolution.

Also, you should be thankful for the coup of 1976, or China would have gone on the path of North Korea.

As for intellectuals, there will always be intellectuals, and they are the ones who take the country forward. Their persecution led to total break down of Chinese system.

Culture revolution saved China from deteriorating into a bureaucratic country like USSR temporarily and completely cleaned up the clans' influence in countryside, which centralized the government power and made the policies from latter government more efficient. These are groundwork for the reform in 1978.

 

[gambit]

Culture revolution saved China from deteriorating into a bureaucratic country like USSR temporarily and completely cleaned up the clans' influence in countryside, which centralized the government power and made the policies from latter government more efficient. These are groundwork for the reform in 1978.

Praised by someone who never had to suffered thru it.

The problem with your support is that it is illogical from the start since you presume that what happened could only happened that way and that there are no alternatives for China back at that time. And since there is no going back, there is no way to try any alternatives. No wonder that support for the bloody Cultural Revolution only occurs in later generations comfortable in current time.

 

[Abacin]

In All revolutions, anyone who wanted to ride above people got killed. In cultural revolution, anyone who thought that he was above people was denounced publicly, no matter whether you were rich, powerful, or intellectual or representing god. Religions promoting inequality among priests and people are denounced. All P5 members with the revolution, are strongly secular with few inteference by relgious leaders. For Dalai group where politics was decided by lamas, they even couldn't make a living by themselves and have to live under the charity of West and India.

Praised by someone who never had to suffered thru it.

The problem with your support is that it is illogical from the start since you presume that what happened could only happened that way and that there are no alternatives for China back at that time. And since there is no going back, there is no way to try any alternatives. No wonder that support for the bloody Cultural Revolution only occurs in later generations comfortable in current time.

100 % of P5 members have revolutions. This is a 100% proof that revolution is the only way to rise to the top of this planet in this era.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

In All revolutions, anyone who wanted to ride above people got killed. In cultural revolution, anyone who thought that he was above people was denounced publicly, no matter whether you were rich, powerful, or intellectual or representing god. Religions promoting inequality among priests and people are denounced. All P5 members with the revolution, are strongly secular with few inteference by relgious leaders. For Dalai group where politics was decided by lamas, they even couldn't make a living by themselves and have to live under the charity of West and India.


100 % of P5 members have revolutions. This is a 100% proof that revolution is the only way to rise to the top of this planet in this era.

Britain never suffered a violent revolution, and it was the strongest country for some time.

Also, one revolution is perhaps Ok, but continuous ones based on flimsy reasons is gibberish.