A Question For The Pakistani Posters

[Chronos]

Recently I have heard Pakistani Rangers operation in Karachi, mainly centered around Lyari. I have a few questions, and was possibly hoping a few people can help me out here.

Is Lyari a hub of criminal activities? If it is, any possible explanation why?

Has gangster-ism taken root in Karachi recently? Or has it always been there.

Also I keep seeing the name MQM and PPP being bandied about in discussions. Is there a nexus that exists between political parties and the gangsters? If it exists, could you explain the exact nature of it?

Thank you

 

[OrionHunter]

Relax man! What's happening in Karachi is too confusing and therefore it's better if you don't get your brains tied up in knots trying to unravel what's going on out there.

Or are you planning to settle down in Lyari?

 

[Barakah]

Your being hard on "her"...

Lol its annoying when people say such stupid things and to top it of are actually convinced they are right..a lyari gangster who got caught by punjabi police and sent to karachi under a sindhi court...guess what happens...he gets released no charges nothing...and she has the audacity to blame punjabis for all the problems in karachi

 

[Chronos]

I was just curious about the problem. It wasn't my intension to crete ethnic tensions in this thread

 

Relax man! What's happening in Karachi is too confusing and therefore it's better if you don't get your brains tied up in knots trying to unravel what's going on out there.

Or are you planning to settle down in Lyari?

As I said, I saw news articles. But sound bytes and snippets don't give you the full story. I am just curious =)

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

85% problem in Karachi is due to MQM.... Illegal Weapons are recovered even from their Main offices of MQM... MQM is terrorist and bhatta khor party..... They have long history of violence, brutal killings, killing of every police officer and civilians death in Karachi....Even MQM kills people in Lyari because they have political threat due to strong areas of PPPP... Same happened with ANP, when they got popularity, MQM started to kill the workers of ANP and when PTI got popularity, then MQM threatened them and killed the workers of PTI in Karachi and Hyderabad...

 

[pkuser2k12]

As for Karachi's Situation....that is a fight between political parties...specially MQM, PPP, JI

needs correction MQM,PPP and Bacha Khans aman pasands ANP

 

[Chronos]

LOL, if MQM is hated so much, how come they are the fourth largest party in Pakistan.

I think????

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

LOL, if MQM is hated so much, how come they are the fourth largest party in Pakistan.
I think????

Correction: ,Only party in Karachi... and they can't get more than 5 seats in free and fair election. Referred to POST 461 in below link

Rigging Galore! | Page 31

 

[haviZsultan]

The situation in Karachi is worrying for all of us. Local political parties, particularly the MQM revel in violence and wish to keep the ethnic faultlines there. For example in 1984 MQM was born. From 1985-1990 3000 people were killed in Karachi. The war in Karachi has the markings of ethnic war. The political parties each hold the interests of a certain group. PPP supports the Sindhis, ANP Pathans and MQM the muhajirs (if we can use such a biased term)... ethnic intolerance is our weakness and the politicians exploit it as much as they can.

In a discussion long time back I came to the conclusion that political parties want to keep the violence going. In the end they serve the politicians interests as Karachi is getting more and more ethnically polarized. Also the problem is not only an issue with the political parties. There is hatred for each other in our hearts. In drawing room discussions the conversations focus on kicking out Pathans from Karachi and Sindhis being chors and theives. I have tried to reverse the trend but I haven't been very successful.

But then when people themselves don't respect each other and think so highly of their ethnicity it is bound to happen. Proof of the ethnic polarization can be found in Stephen P Cohen's book, the future of Pakistan. It states 86% of Pakistanis hold their ethnicity higher than their national identity.

Anyway these days since operations are taking place against the political entities involved in Karachi violence the current murders are being conducted on the basis of sectarian war, meaning Shia Sunni. Karachi is one big mess.

 

[livingdead]

The core issue in karachi is the friction between those who are already living and those who migrated from elsewhere. There is a contentious struggle between the two, to control the city.

Bit like mumbai, but resulting higher scale of violence probably because firearms are easily available.

Blaming only MQM is easy, you remove MQM and another will take its place.

 

[Chak Bamu]

@Ravi Nair, you would get many answers on your questions, ranging from BS (priti) to honest (haviZsultan).

Lyari is right next to Karachi's business district and is settled mainly by Baluch people. They have been PPP voters for a long time. Seen as counter-weight to MQM gangsters, they enjoyed patronage from PPP, until the Lyari gangsters became too big and went out of control.

MQM, PPP, and ANP each have a role to play in this mess. Each of them have an armed wing, and each has patronized criminals (extortionists, dacoits, and land-grabbers), and each has ethnic support. MQM has support from Urdu-speaking sections of Karachi. PPP enjoys support of Sindhis and Balochis. ANP rode a wave of Pashtun migration to Karachi and thus is a relatively new player.

PML-N does not have much support in Karachi, and that is why it has been able to lead an operation without raising too many heckles. PTI would likely be a beneficiary if an operation is successful in curbing violence, since it has no armed wing and has been targeted by suspected MQM target killers.

What happens after the operation remains to be seen, since it has yet to enter its third and last phase. But I think that there would be a need for subsequent operation. One operation would likely not get desired results.

Karachi used to be the most peaceful city. Now it is the most violent, thanks to crooked ethnic politics. I have not yet discussed religious parties and their contribution, but the ethnic angle is the strongest and most significant.

 

[Police]

I was just curious about the problem. It wasn't my intension to crete ethnic tensions in this thread

 


As I said, I saw news articles. But sound bytes and snippets don't give you the full story. I am just curious =)

You are wrong. After the operation in Karachi things has calmed down. Only 11 People get killed now a days earlier it was high. So it looks like that the things are in control.

@Ravi Nair, you would get many answers on your questions, ranging from BS (priti) to honest (haviZsultan).

Lyari is right next to Karachi's business district and is settled mainly by Baluch people. They have been PPP voters for a long time. Seen as counter-weight to MQM gangsters, they enjoyed patronage from PPP, until the Lyari gangsters became too big and went out of control.

MQM, PPP, and ANP each have a role to play in this mess. Each of them have an armed wing, and each has patronized criminals (extortionists, dacoits, and land-grabbers), and each has ethnic support. MQM has support from Urdu-speaking sections of Karachi. PPP enjoys support of Sindhis and Balochis. ANP rode a wave of Pashtun migration to Karachi and thus is a relatively new player.

PML-N does not have much support in Karachi, and that is why it has been able to lead an operation without raising too many heckles. PTI would likely be a beneficiary if an operation is successful in curbing violence, since it has no armed wing and has been targeted by suspected MQM target killers.

What happens after the operation remains to be seen, since it has yet to enter its third and last phase. But I think that there would be a need for subsequent operation. One operation would likely not get desired results.

Karachi used to be the most peaceful city. Now it is the most violent, thanks to crooked ethnic politics. I have not yet discussed religious parties and their contribution, but the ethnic angle is the strongest and most significant.

wrong thread

 

[niaz]

its the Pakistani - specifiacally Punjabi sunni thinking that they are entitled to rule and create teror on behalf of all Sunnis of the world that is the cause of the problem. they have sheltered dawood who is a terrorst, sheltered afghani terrorsts and support and nurture all kinds of terror for all kinds of activities against all kinds of people who ar non-sunni Punjabi and for all seasons.
this is the main cause why Karachi is in a mess and Lahore is relatively better, because Lahore is the HQ of Punjabi sunniism and so its a lair. understood?

This is a sweeping statement. Sunni/Shia dispute is only one of many factors in Karachi. Since you are obviously not aware of the diverse ethnicity in Karachi; please indulge me to summarise the history of violence in Karachi.

Violence in Karachi was and still is largely political and goes back to the 60’s. After Ayub Khan’s victory against Maderi Millat Miss Fatima Jinnah, Gohar Ayub took out a victory rally thru Lalu Khet, the areas where poor immigrants from UP were settled.

During the late 1969 Lalu Khet residents attacked Ayub supporters in Lalu Khet. At that time main opposition to the establishment came from Jamaat Islami. Following 1970 Karachi became stronghold of PPP specially the Lyari area. There were Sindhi/Mohajir riots in 1972 during Mumtaz Bhutto’s Chief Ministership.

After Zia ul Haq usurped power in July 1977, Zia need a political force to break the PPP vote bank. MQM was born. However Layari remained PPP stronghold.

It was during Zia’s time that sectarianism took a deadly turn. Sepahe Sehaba was form in 1985. They published a book titled “ Shia are Muslim or Kafir, you decide”. Commissioner of Sargodha was killed by Riaz Basra of LeJ simply because he was a Shia. There followed Tit for Tat killings of many Sunni as well as Shia ulema. Actually Punjab, especially the Southern Punjab saw a lot more sectarian murders than any other province.

As a fall out of Afghan war, there was a mass migration of armed Pashtun tribals to Karachi. A vast market of contraband good was established just outside Karachi. When GOP tried to remove this and accompanied drug traffic from Sohrab Goth. Even though Biharis had no hand in the clean-up operation; the back lash occurred in the form of AK-47 armed Pashtun killing of poor Bihari residents of Orangi town with police doing nothing. This was followed by anti Pathan riots in Karachi.

Benazir gov't following the bigot Zia’s death in 1988 created a split between MQM and actively supported Afaq Ahmed to kill off Altaf Hussein’s supported. Hence the terrorism in Karachi was really born. You had cases where motor cycle riders will spray bullets on the street side café killing a particular person and many along with it.

I don’t like MQM but to be fair MQM leadership has been crying out loud about the influx of Al-Qaida and Taliban in Karachi for quitesometime. Initially ANP under Shahi Syed leadership was involved in supporting the sectarian group simply because they were Pashtuns and ANP needed their support in her power struggle against MQM. In the meantime, some elements of the JI have also been supporting sectarian groups because agenda of Taliban and Jamaat Islami is the same; that is to create a dark age Islamic Emirate in Pakistan.

PPP covertly supports Lyari thugs such as Uzair Baluch, MQM have their own armed militia. The same is true for ANP, JI. Al-Qaida and the sectarian LeJ also have their supporters in Sohrab Goth and Kati Pahari; mainly Pashtun dominated areas. In the meantime PPP/MQM, ANP/MQM armed feud goes on.

Therefore Honourable Priti, problems of Karachi are far more complex and cannot be explained way as Sunni-Shia fued.

 

[Aamna14]

The core issue in karachi is the friction between those who are already living and those who migrated from elsewhere. There is a contentious struggle between the two, to control the city.

Bit like mumbai, but resulting higher scale of violence probably because firearms are easily available.

Blaming only MQM is easy, you remove MQM and another will take its place.

Thats not true until and unless you think having military wings is justifiable and any other party would do the same. Secondly, you don't live in Karachi or have been to the place either so you're opinion is not based on any true experience or knowledge.

 

[Sugarcane]

its the Pakistani - specifiacally Punjabi sunni thinking that they are entitled to rule and create teror on behalf of all Sunnis of the world that is the cause of the problem. they have sheltered dawood who is a terrorst, sheltered afghani terrorsts and support and nurture all kinds of terror for all kinds of activities against all kinds of people who ar non-sunni Punjabi and for all seasons.
this is the main cause why Karachi is in a mess and Lahore is relatively better, because Lahore is the HQ of Punjabi sunniism and so its a lair. understood?

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