A NEW AIRCRAFT FOR PAF

[Asifkamal]

No. F16 acquisition was never nullified by mirage 2000 or mig29. Mirage 2000 look down capabilities were not up to the standard and mig29 was just point defence air superiority fighter. Even now F16 is called su30 beater

 

[Ultima Thule]

Dear don't compare platform only just look ranges these iaf jets carry missile

IAF MISSILES
METEOR 220KM
ASRAAM 160KM
PYTHON 5 150 KM
PYTHON DERBY 120 KM
MICA 100 KM
R 77 160 KM

PAF
SD 10 140 KM
AIM 130 180 KM

so before our F 16 even fires missile IAF RAFALE and SU 30 Launched meteor so F 16 has to get in defensive mode And these will come in numbers too so we are lacking numbers and quality

Pakistani must buy SU 35 with good weapons package around 50

Or buy 50 Eurofighter Typhoon along with meteor AIM 132 and AIM 9X IRIS-T missiles too

We are lacking lot in air war numbers are getting lower and technology also we are lissing

Sir your information about missile are wrong, METEOR range is not 220KM but slightly above 100KM,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_(missile) and ASRAAM is not BVR its a short range WVR missile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASRAAM:hitwall: PYTHON 5 is also not BVR its WVR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_(missile):hitwall: DERBY is MRAAM is not long range air to air missile range is 50 KM
MICA is also MRAAM not a BVRAAM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MICA_(missile):hitwall: and you are only right about R 77 with range of 200 KM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-77:p: and you are also not correct about PAF Misslie SD-10 has two version SD-10 which has a range of 80 KM and SD-10A which has range of 110 KM, their no air to air missile called AIM 130 sir may be you are talking about AIM 120 AMRAAM but we not have (180 KM) C-7 but instead we have (105 KM) C-5
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-120_AMRAAM so with due all respect you are all wrong about those missile ranges btw what is your source sir please send me a links

 

[ZEYA]

http://www.asian-defence.net/2014/02/j-10c-may-be-able-to-surpass-us-and-eu.html
nice article hope pakistan will find sth from here

 

[Super Falcon]

Sir your information about missile are wrong, METEOR range is not 220KM but slightly above 100KM,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_(missile) and ASRAAM is not BVR its a short range WVR missile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASRAAM:hitwall: PYTHON 5 is also not BVR its WVR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_(missile):hitwall: DERBY is MRAAM is not long range air to air missile range is 50 KM
MICA is also MRAAM not a BVRAAM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MICA_(missile):hitwall: and you are only right about R 77 with range of 200 KM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-77:p: and you are also not correct about PAF Misslie SD-10 has two version SD-10 which has a range of 80 KM and SD-10A which has range of 110 KM, their no air to air missile called AIM 130 sir may be you are talking about AIM 120 AMRAAM but we not have (180 KM) C-7 but instead we have (105 KM) C-5
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-120_AMRAAM so with due all respect you are all wrong about those missile ranges btw what is your source sir please send me a links

Thank you for correction but with meteor india has edge and with Python 5 and also R 77 well above range what we have

SD 10 has max 120
Aim 120 has 160 to 180 max

So india has three better ranged missile in numbers we don't stand a chance either way

 

[Ultima Thule]

Thank you for correction but with meteor india has edge and with Python 5 and also R 77 well above range what we have

SD 10 has max 120
Aim 120 has 160 to 180 max

So india has three better ranged missile in numbers we don't stand a chance either way

AIM 120 (C-5) that PAF variant range is 105 KM and as for other variants like C-7 has a range of 160 to 180 KM

 

[Indus Falcon]

He was talking about detecting a stealth plane dear, not the spec range.

Sir, I'm quite aware of what he was saying, and my reply was in reference to that.

EF's publicly stated range of it's PIRATE (Passive InfraRed Airborne Track Equipment) system is 90km. And since PIRATE was inducted technology has been evolving.




Here are pics of stealth aircrafts via IRST

 

[Super Falcon]

AIM 120 (C-5) that PAF variant range is 105 KM and as for other variants like C-7 has a range of 160 to 180 KM

So we lack even further such a pathetic think tank PAF has no future thinking

India is miles away in number and quality

 

[wiseone2]

LOL Ace, you're gonna get me in trouble with the southern neighbours again
but here it goes :
The M2000 line doesn't exist anymore; it was dismantled when the Rafale be-
-gan full production. It was then offered to the Indians that had the MRCA on
the stove then. Even though the MRCA was borderline a way to procure more
Mirage 2000 ( Kargil era, let's remember ) the logical Indians said no because

...
the LCA was supposed to be ready soon and twice as good!

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You know the rest : by the time the MRCA had become the MMRCA, Dassault
had been forced to close that line and replaced the M2K with the Rafale in its offer.

But if one remembers, that is the same set of conditions that gave the PAC/PAF
its Mirages III & 5. The last acquired were incredibly cheap because its line had
been closed too so that sellers could not maintain the planes.

Which is why I said that -If anyone can, Pakistan can.
All Mirage 2000 have incredibly strong builts and last.

Just a bit of concern on hearing Indus Falcon and you talk of Rafale N.
It doesn't exist although it was supposed to. That was the designation for the naval
two-seater, mates! Too costly, was dropped in development.

If you guys mean the Rafale that carries nukes, all Raffys can even if we use only Bs
for that mission in AdlA.

1. Rafale A - demonstrator
2. Rafale B - AF 2 seater
3. Rafale C - AF single seater
4. Rafale M - Navy ( all 1 seat )

The M2000 N exists and some 40-60 may be available by 2020 as I said earlier.

Have a great day both and all, Tay.

it is not too late for Rafales if the French agree

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

governments with a code of conduct might not use anti-tank weapons on an angry crowd

No, the modern Anti-Missile is not ideal for breaking up crowds, due to shaped charge HEAT warhead.
It is also very costly.
The Javelin is $246,000 a piece. I would court martial a soldier that used that to break up a crowd.

The AT-4 recoiless anti tank weapon is different. That is a no-no for the Middle East.

 

[hacker J]

Yes, easily.

You seem to be thinking that AF's fighters are like boxers who enter the ring fighting like pugalists and you can look at their measurables and decide which is better. That is not the way the world works. Air frames are designed for the tasks they have to face and undertake.

A JF17 in the air defense role when facing UPG and M2k5's is going to be loaded with BVR's and supported by AWACS. It has DSI inlets with L/O features, making it hard to see on radar. It will see them long before the enemy planes are aware its even there, and be able to fire and engage. It has comparable avionics as both.

In the strike role it is able to use stand off weapons to stay out of the engagement envelope (or only stay a short while). Unlike the enemy planes, the JF17 is able to easily switch from Air 2 Air back to Air to Ground on a strike mission which means it can fight its way through.

No Indian plane has that ability including the MKI.

1st I am not saying anything about AF fighters being boxers if jf 17 is used for defence(which you always reject) then upgs and mk2s on a strike mission will be escorted either by UPGs or by MKIs and as far as AWACS is considered that will be considered I was just talking about plane to plane comparision not war, in war indian awacs, mkis which can serve as mini AWACS and stand off weapons will be on indian side as well and don't forget indian MKI's, UPGs, mk2s, tejas, 21 bisons have full fledged or limited bvr capability okay,
Now agreed LERX intakes makes plane a bit less observable but no that staelthy to escape radars all together, 2nd MKIs , upgraded mig 29s and mk2s all have capability to switch from air to air mode to air to ground mode thats why they are multirole please upgrade that information.

 

[wiseone2]

No, the modern Anti-Missile is not ideal for breaking up crowds, due to shaped charge HEAT warhead.
It is also very costly.
The Javelin is $246,000 a piece. I would court martial a soldier that used that to break up a crowd.

The AT-4 recoiless anti tank weapon is different. That is a no-no for the Middle East.

javelins are expensive
there are other cheap anti-tank missiles on the market

 

[Mav3rick]

J 31 needs approx 7 to 8 years fully get inducted that much time we don't have we are loosing both quality and quantity in fast pace reminding you the Indian mode of war and India will induct rafale in 36 months time we are no where in air war balance of war shifting to India we must buy stop gap fighter jet

PAF has many holes no twin engine jet either 65 percent of aircraft are not capable for direct fight and against 4 to 1 ratio no chance for PAF

If you speak strictly in regards to loss in quality and quantity then we lost both in the past 15 years. While IAF inducted the highly capable SU-30MKI, which will soon be upgraded to Super MKI, we are stuck on Block 52+ for 18 and Block 50 for some 60 F-16's in addition to JF-17 which still has some way to go.

Our dawn and our sunset has been the F-16 which would no doubt still be a considerable asset if upgraded to Block 60+ with AESA radars and in quantity exceeding atleast 150.......neither is going to happen and so PAF probably has lost the battle before it even began.

I can only hope for a challenging J-31.

 

[Arsalan]

Sir, I'm quite aware of what he was saying, and my reply was in reference to that.

EF's publicly stated range of it's PIRATE (Passive InfraRed Airborne Track Equipment) system is 90km. And since PIRATE was inducted technology has been evolving.




Here are pics of stealth aircrafts via IRST

Bro you are still missing the point. He was stating 50Km for stealth planes!!! Not the announced 90km range of IRST. However the thing is that IRST will prove to be much more effective against stealth and jamming as compared to radars.

 

[Taygibay]

it is not too late for Rafales if the French agree

So unlikely, sadly! Suppose Pakistan asks for Rafales.
Let's be wild and imagine the number is 60. Hearing of
it, GoI offers to buy twice as much for exclusivity. They
thus go up to about 180 ACs which is their need anyhow
and Pakistan still gets none.

That's one immense advantage of a deal with local prod :
it gives you more leverage on sales in your vicinity.

Good day to you, Tay.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

javelins are expensive
there are other cheap anti-tank missiles on the market

Still not cost effective