A NEW AIRCRAFT FOR PAF

[Wolf]

two things

1.PAF has not orderred and never will but even if they want niether they can afford it nor russia will give

2. as for chinese flankers well they cant sell it to anyone no matter how close they are

but you can agree or reject it but dont forget to thank me when it happens what i has said

What makes you think we can't afford. We didn't go for F 16s because there was strong possibility of Americans repeating pressler amendment saga even after paying entire money. Any procurement will involve 4-5 billion dollars and spreading Payment period over 5 years means 1 billion $ per year and arranging this much money is absolutely no issue.
I will repeat your own words from earlier post that its better your enemy underestimates you. However, we don't need to convince Indians about our capabilities.

 

[MastanKhan]

Dear Sir do JH 7 has growler like EW suite.


Though JH7b is improved version yet not stealthy and has lower service ceiling so have no survivability chance within enemy territory.

Hi,

At what service ceiling do you think the survivability rate is higher?

 

[Arsalan]

Stealth how?

I said competition!
While some aircraft focus on reducing RCS to incorporate stealth, that is making detection difficult other may use EW suites to confuse enemy radars and achieve the same goal of not being detected or targeted. Stealth VS Jamming

Hi,

At what service ceiling do you think the survivability rate is higher?

frankly,, NONE!
Todays SAM systems have made using altitude as means of escape difficult if not impossible, but you knew that.

J16 can be a very good bomber and EW capable fighter no doubt. Pakistan lacks a dedicated bomber. J16 or JH 7 can fit into this role effectively

IT can be and is a very capable "strike fighter". With reported AESA, IRST, RAM coating, ECM and EW suite it is equally capable in air to air fight, this the term "strike fighter". Yes it have an impressive payload and can wreck havoc on enemy installation doing all this while being equally capable of defending itself against any airborne threats. A might impressive machine if you ask me.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

I said competition!
While some aircraft focus on reducing RCS to incorporate stealth, that is making detection difficult other may use EW suites to confuse enemy radars and achieve the same goal of not being detected or targeted. Stealth VS Jamming

In the way of distraction and confusion it could work however not to the full extent.

PAF could argue that it would be waste of capital because a true Stealth is just round the corner.

IT can be and is a very capable "strike fighter". With reported AESA, IRST, RAM coating, ECM and EW suite it is equally capable in air to air fight, this the term "strike fighter". Yes it have an impressive payload and can wreck havoc on enemy installation doing all this while being equally capable of defending itself against any airborne threats. A might impressive machine if you ask me.

This seems to be a more appropriate option. However for this to materialise Russia would have to consider if they are unable to sell SU-35's to Pakistan because of local demands. That would pave way for the engine to be exported through China and also keep a blind eye on J-16 (Flanker Restriction Deal).

 

[jermankill]

one more thing if india goes for F16V or F/A-18E-F then make sure PAF gonna go for Mig29

lol oh com on man come with something better........ same thinking its 2106 ...wake up

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

frankly,, NONE!
Todays SAM systems have made using altitude as means of escape difficult if not impossible, but you knew that.

Technically the SAM systems like STAR WARS project can potentially take out satellite systems of enemy countries provided they can be tracked effectively.

 

[Ground_Hawk]

Yes the avionics, in contrast to the first version of the Su-35, are supplied by the Russian company MRPC AVIONICA, specializing in the development of aircraft avionics. The Su-35BM will count on a system of four fly-by-wire digital chanals of control called SDU-427. The configuration of cockpit of the Su-35BM has two large 23X30cm LCD viewfinder. One monitor displayes tatical combat information and navigation, with the secondary monitor provides other information about the aircraft for the pilot. In the field of Electronic Warfare, an un-specified set of equipment operates in several ways: "Self-defense", "Mutual Protection" or "Protection of Group". It will count on the system of protection for eletronic war L175M Khibiny-M. It is integrated with the Russian GLONASS system of global positioning. It also uses LINK 16, adata-communication system datalink standard of NATO, an unimaginable situation until recent years.

But still will it make sense to buy something like SU35BM still based on a 25 year old airframe design ! And I'm purely asking on the hypothesis of the situation. Plus the fact you're fact finding was pretty spot on. In a very detailed article by some french dude he factually with visual evidence explained the advantages RAFALE enjoys over a number of adversaries INCLUDING the F22.

We don't have the power kettle for many aircrafts yes. But 2 squadrons, multi function workhorse backed by f16s and jf17s. Don't it buy us time to come up with a whole new mindset towards modern warfare instead of tit for tat purchases. Thank you

one more thing if india goes for F16V or F/A-18E-F then make sure PAF gonna go for Mig29

20,000 years back there was a rumour of 128 rafales being bought. It's 2016 June and still waiting. If it ends up giving up for even the V kit powered f16s or any of the f18 !!!! Good on you. Best of luck. You deserve it

Highly unlikely. Why would PAF go for any new platform until India actually procures Rafael.

Because India probably isn't and the French can't wait forever. A good bluff played well but running old now.

 

[PDF]

Wishing for Typhoon,

expecting this aircraft,

Hoping for the best choice.


The first two have 45-45% chance while J-16 has the rest 10% chance.

 

[bazil]

since we only have the Chinese option for 5th Gen. wouldn't getting ourselves some western tech like the typhoon make sense over SU 35.i mean if there was a time to cough up the dough, this would be it. plus given that EF is a joint venture maybe PAF Kamra could be part of the effort and cheaply produce some parts in the EF's supplychain

 

[ghazi768]

one more thing if india goes for F16V or F/A-18E-F then make sure PAF gonna go for Mig29

Why you Indian posters keep on giving such 'sincere' advice to us and keep pedalling Mig-29. It is a piece of Junk..

It has absolutely embarrassing range of a fighter, will find it very hard beyond 200 km combat radius with a centreline tank if it really wants to fight and survive a dog fight. It is lousy when it comes to speed and acceleration, too energy depleting, with couple of hard turns against an F-16 it will be so slow that the pilot will be forced to say whatever prayers and tanter manter he needs for a bit of luck in such shit. Its RCS is like a sore to eyes on radar screen and you will be amazed how far even radar operators on radar stations are able to see it. F-16 has a RCS much below 3ms, low enough that IAF's legs tremble when even they hear of an order of 8 jets.

Thanks a lot, keep this junk. We are not interested..

you dont send those kind of planes in open sea without escort when your enemy has long range interceptors like MKI & Mig29K with long range beyond visual missiles to hunt down such planes and at the moment you have nothing like that ... unprotected sub hunting plane like what you have is as important and juicy target for enemy air force like AWACS ... Got It ?

Wow, you have lot of operational and tactical acumen, kudos...

By the way, it may be interesting to your that Swedish retired radar operators bragged about being able to detect Su-27s flying from their bases around St. petersburg which is about 700 km from their border and that radar they mentioned was also 1960s vintage. Su-30 MKI RCS unfortunately has not come down that much in RCS terms, I do not think that IAF will be stupid like you and will send its precious Su-30s MKIs to fly around in 500-600 km ranges opposite our coast. Surprise bounces is still a big reality in air..

 

[danger007]

PAF knows what to do and how to do next....

PAF will handle Indian lobby. Chinese help/influence should be considered here. I think PAF bought/ordered SU35.......I m unable to find thread regarding it.....That thread mentioned PAF has ordered 5 or 6 SU35

India lobbying is beyond pakistan reach at the given date ... china have opportunity to bargain when it comes to support systems but offensive platforms like Su 35???? just because you guys getting Mi-35 and jet engines doesn't mean you goy more influence than India in kremlin..



Hence the relations with Pakistan while being independent in nature will never have any designs against India. Islamabad is a very important player in joint efforts to maintain regional stability, especially in view of the deteriorating situation in Afghanistan and growing threats of international terrorism fuelled by ISIS and rampant drug production. These factors require collective counteraction and target-oriented capacity building. And these are exactly the reasons for our recent arrangements with Islamabad on the supply of four Mi-35 helicopters. I would also like to respond to the idle talk and pure invention of the media by reiterating that Russia has not discussed and does not have any plans to sell Su-35 aircraft to Pakistan.


http://in.rbth.com/economics/cooperation/2015/09/28/ties-with-pakistan-not-against-india_443441

 

[Goan64 de Argentina]

PARÍS. Argentina está negociando con Francia para la compra de 12 aviones Mirage F1, Mirage 2000 y algunos motores de usar el vigésimo Pucarás que están actualmente congelado, le dijo a La Nación en la capital francesa el ministro de Defensa Julio Martínez.


Al pasar por París, donde llegó para asistir a la Exposición Eurosatory Armamento, Martínez fue recibido ayer durante una hora por su homólogo francés, Jean-Yves Le Drian, que analizó en detalle la posibilidad de que la compra. "La transacción proporciona un valor excelente y unas condiciones muy favorables", dijo. El contexto de la adquisición evolucionó favorablemente debido al acuerdo entre los dos ministros de circunscribir la operación a un "estado dentro del estado" para evitar intermediarios y aprovechar el nuevo clima de confianza establecida entre los dos países. "La Fuerza Aérea Argentina no puede prescindir de los aviones supersónicos. Nuestros pilotos deben ser capaces de entrenar en los aparatos modernos", dijo el ministro.

Martínez se negó sin embargo para avanzar cantidades, modos de operación y los plazos de pago debido a que "las negociaciones no han terminado." También reconoció que aunque los Estados Unidos propuso el país vendiendo sus supersónico F-16, la "opción francesa" es más coherente con las necesidades del país: "El tiempo de vuelo de los aviones F-16 de ellos hace casi prohibitivo" él dijo. Chile, que tiene 24 de los aviones, no puede volar porque cada hora en el aire cuesta $ 17.000.


De concretarse, la compra de levantar el ánimo de los pilotos de la Fuerza Aérea, que desde hace años carecen de equipo adecuado y ver sus ingresos encogimiento, como informó ayer LA NACION.

alternativa francés

gottaau2
Según el ministro de Defensa, la adquisición de buques franceses es conveniente para el precio

alternativo estadounidense

Una propuesta de Estados Unidos para sus aviones F-16 fue gobernada por el alto costo de la hora de vuelo.

 

[danger007]

In the way of distraction and confusion it could work however not to the full extent.

PAF could argue that it would be waste of capital because a true Stealth is just round the corner.


This seems to be a more appropriate option. However for this to materialise Russia would have to consider if they are unable to sell SU-35's to Pakistan because of local demands. That would pave way for the engine to be exported through China and also keep a blind eye on J-16 (Flanker Restriction Deal).

I don't think Russia inducting SU 35 in huge numbers... they got 48 in inventory another 50 in order.. may be you reluctant to accept what Russian Diplomat said.. few months ago Russian official govt website mentioned.. no chance to sale Su 35 to pak..

In my post it was JF-17 B not JH-7B.

JF-17B could provide EW and top cover where as JF-17A can handle ground attack...


Stealth how?



1) You do what ever you like...Russia only wants Money for that they are going to give what ever Pakistan wants.

2) Russia is pissed at USA because they have taken the Arab market. IRAQ getting F-16's. Libya would get Rafales. Syria is a nightmare.

3) India in the lap of USA is not helping the Russians and they are vary that PAK-FA technology would be handed to USA making it redundant for Russia.

4) Russia did not like India going to Red Flag and showing all the features that SU-30 MKI has because it gave the US enough knowledge on how to improve their aircraft.

5) NATO expansion has put them in dire need of money and for this they would even give their technology free because it would still give the Russians work experience and revive their economy.

Now take the Indian lobby and dance on your Bollywood tunes.

http://rusembindia.com/home/embassy...ission-of-the-russian-rmbassy-mr-denis-alipov

 

[ConcealCarry]

they also said similar things in the past regarding jet engines, offensive weapons, helicopters, etc...............time, my friend brings amazing surprises

I don't think Russia inducting SU 35 in huge numbers... they got 48 in inventory another 50 in order.. may be you reluctant to accept what Russian Diplomat said.. few months ago Russian official govt website mentioned.. no chance to sale Su 35 to pak..






http://rusembindia.com/home/embassy...ission-of-the-russian-rmbassy-mr-denis-alipov

 

[danger007]

they also said similar things in the past regarding jet engines, offensive weapons, helicopters, etc...............time, my friend brings amazing surprises

Jet engines are not offensive platforms... Helis?? you mean Mi 35 ?? we donated few to Afghanistan...