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We have other important stuff to do other then being on Indian Defence pages...We do not like to just talk talk and talk without any constructive work and we are not that obsessed in regards to India as Indians are obsessed with Pakistan.Its not like u guys dont come to the indian defence page.
If you have something constructive to say in this thread then you are most welcome but if you only wish to act as a troll then please find some thing better.
The day these are offered to Pakistan Indian would be speechless because they would think that they have been back stabbed by their best Friends (Israeli Lobby in USA.)F -22 ???
I totally agree Pakistan should have been given some F22's by USA because that would have compensated the Nuclear Deal with India and also taken Pakistan's economy down the drain...
Do you not think this would be a big win for the forces that are acting against Pakistan?
EFT was built as an air superiority fighter later on it was held that it should have limited ground strike capability. Trench 3 would be a swing role aircraft.After getting this news i checked out the specs of both EF as well as Su 35 and to make the long story short the EF lacks SAR which means its ground attack role would be limited not to mention the fact that it also cannot be used in anti shipping role as well therefore my take is if you are looking for an air superiority platform then EF is the best choice otherwise go for Su 35
The information available on the internet regarding EFT trench 3 is very limited but we know that it is being financed by KSA so it is being heavily modified. KSA is also actively marketing it along with UK and Italy.
What is known so far is it would have an upgraded engine and CFT. The same engine is also being offered by Saab for its latest Gripen aircraft as an alternate to the US engine. Turkey is also considering this engine for the KFX project.
There are 4 candidates but it is highly likely that it would be Rafale N because it shares the same engine that JF-17B is using and the avionics suit that was being offered to PAF was also based on the same Rafale N's. IAF has so far not signed the final order of their Rafale C so even those could be offered for sale to Pakistan but that is highly unlikely.Possible Candidates ...........
Though Mirage 2000-9 is 2nd hand option, Rafale is too expensive.
Mig35 is most feasible but PAF is most interested in Su35 ..........
So lets see............
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Mig-35's is also using the same engines as the JF-17's and this has being suggested many times by our Indian friends because they know Mig-35's do not give any thing special in regards to technical knowledge like that offered by SU-35.
Both EFT and SU-35 would be a master stroke if they are chosen.
The Su-35 offers PAF stealth features and newer engines which open up all possibilities of Chinese origin as well as TFX could also be powered by this engine offing a market that is familiar with the Russian engines.
EFT would also give similar option provided China provides Pakistan with the knowledge of upgrading the Chinese aircraft structure and the work is carried out with Chinese getting the engines for reverse engineering.
We trust your source...but still we can not be 100 percent sure till we actually hear some thing trough MOD or PAF.Could be Sir it's a News by Someone I trust him
No I meant GCC paid those jets for Egypt plus ships and Heli carrier .i am talking about $$$$ here .
Sir, it is true some time we have to wait a little longer for news that we already know off or we are assuming to be correct till it is finally disclosed by someone we trust or it is made public. In Pakistan even is news has been finalised it can still be denied and cancelled. we have hand many past instances were Pakistan was left dry by the US.i wish your trusted guy was right but i did not trust these things sir
If it comes with Euro Jet engine and has more leg then EFT or SU-35.Yes we will, but the only European plane we can get is the Gripen.
My friend you are assuming too much....No. It would be SU-35s.
Note that Pakistan is moving away from US, EU & GCC and closer to China & Russia.
Both Russia and China operate SU-35s.
PAF is getting US equipment... more F-16's, MLU kits and even the new block 52 if PAF pays for them 100%.
PN is getting US made Global Cutters.
PAA is getting AH-1 Zulu.
Recently there was a deal with Italy to provide Pakistan with helicopters
If you still consider that Pakistan is getting away from USA and EU you are mistaken. If the Turkish ADA Class Corvettes are ordered they would definitely have EU manufactured stuff on board.
Now coming to the point where you said Pakistan is getting away from the GCC, here again you are wrong. Pakistan recently signed deals with Qatar and KSA for CNG and Oil. They also joined the Joint Arab Forces and are supplying weapons to all Member States.
The reason you are thinking that Pakistan is not longer the blueied boy of GCC is Pakistan did not enter the Yemen War. Let me inform you Pakistan is fighting a war with the Taliban hence it can not afford to enter into any other conflict but if they are still needed Pakistan still has enough capacity to send enough fighting force and continue to engage all partied that are trying to destabilise Pakistan
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Very true... it is very difficult for some to comprehend the difference.Can't pay and won't pay are two different things.
It is called LADOO. These are traditional sweets that are served on various occasions of happiness.ooooh what is that?
The above picture and the picture that was posted earlier was showing Ladoo being prepared(Uncooked).
The picture below is of cooked ready to eat Ladoo.
Nothing is impossible in todays world where money talks. However you are correct both Italy and UK are going through financial problems hence they would be interested in selling their EFT. UK has to pay Italy around 40 Billion USD if she leaves the EU so they are trying desperately to find solutions where the money is arraigned from other sources. A deal with PAF would probably be of around USD 4-5 billion which could be increased over the years.The only other option is the Typhoon, which has been pitched to the PAF and has two reliable partners in the form of the UK and Italy, but then finances are questionable.
There is no way it's a Grippen, Sweden has refused in the past and Pakistan won't ask again. The SU-35 is an impossibility due to Indian pressure.
After all PAF has to replace around 200 aircraft and PN is also trying to acquire 2 sqd of dedicated attack aircraft and other equipment like ATR's to replace the ageing F-27 MPA's.
Let see how things go...Potentially a Chinese Flanker knockoff, if the source is to be believed. In that case meh! It just adds infrastructural problems with limited benefits. If it's an Typhoon, then it's a huge jump and will restore the quality balance in the region.
A PAF that operates 110 F-16s, 40 Typhoons and ~250 JF-17 supported by Erieye and Chinese AWACS is one hell of a nightmare for any Air Force.
May be we get some aircraft that Oman and Kuwait have ordered or some that KSA has ordered. May be KSA also requests a production line to be provided from where these orders can be delivered at a faster pace. By the way what is the production capabilities of EFT in Spain, German and Italy because they have taken all the deliveries of their aircraft. UK is still in the process of getting some more EFT's but that would also stop once the F-35s start entering.the typhoon is possible but its a 10 year old's wish list and
they wont be ready till 2023 which is when pakistan will induct the 5th gen fighter so no need. remember oman ordered the typhoons in 2012 and are getting them in 2017 and that was when they needed orders and kuwait has ordered them recently so there is a backlog
Lets wait and see..Fifth generation jets will be a very small number and inducted slowly. The Typhoon will be just as important then. You're right about Oman.
Oh well, we will just have to wait and see. It would be great for us, if Pakistan does pick the jet.
Please read above.Its a win win situation isnt it.....purchase of Typhoons may open up other avenues of co operation like Aesa for thunders and who knows we may opt for EJ 200 for JF 17s to maintain engine commonality of our fleet
Pls read above...Your Mahan Indian charms would not work every time...- Mirage 2000-9:
https://defence.pk/threads/open-deb...for-paf-aye-or-nay.293790/page-8#post-5150536
-Rafale is a non-starter because of India
-MiG-35- Same as above
-Su-35- Same as above
The EFT is probably the only non-Chinese/American MMRCA that the PAF could conceivebly get at this point.
Indeed...That would be a masterstroke.
Are you sure. UK was very confident in India hence sold most of its equipment but then India went after the Russia. This was indeed a very well planed strategy by UK to ask India to procure the best Russian equipment and then the British would acquire all the knowledge through the Indians.Also historically both UK & Italy have been closer to Pakistan.
The Indian lost many British aircraft in all their Wars and BBC was forced to air news that the British equipment had failed which was a very big shock to the British public. This indicated that the Indians were not true to what they have said and this was the reason slowly the British decided to sell their products to India.
The Italian were also providing many things to India but then the issues regarding the Marines, Blacklisting of their companies and then the issue with their Ambassador would definitely sour relations. All this is is due to India's doing that they are getting close to Pakistan.
Guess what Pakistan has after all gained 2 friends...where is the Indian impression Pakistan has no friends other than China....
You were stating stuff far to early...