A JF-17 equipped with Aselpod & SOM cruise missiles ?

[Bilal Khan 777]

the tri-60-30 is in 500-550 dan range which would be sufficent on the babur. so you lot do have microturbo engine tech then. but the fuel consumption would be about 2.5lbs/h as compared to western systems which is 2.2 lbs/h fuel consumption

They have been flying, aren't they.

 

[Blue Marlin]

They have been flying, aren't they.

i never said they weren't but are they flying efficiently?

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

i never said they weren't but are they flying efficiently?

I am not aware of a RTB for a CM. If it gets there and design has provision for the fuel, then efficiency is balanced out against the availability of the item for a non-MTCR application.

 

[Blue Marlin]

I am not aware of a RTB for a CM. If it gets there and design has provision for the fuel, then efficiency is balanced out against the availability of the item for a non-MTCR application.

but adding fuel adds weight and the thrust to weight gets to below a thrust of below 0.3 which is bad. effeciency is key in my opinion not just adding more fuel. but who cares about the mtcr? its for missiles with a range below 300km but the engine can work for as long as its needed and on other application such as uavs. point being some one mentioned that the turks and the pakitanis are working on microengine development the turks being a nato member anda mtcr member it wont be hard fro them to get their hands on the tr 60-30 and reverse engineer it with help from pakistan or they can transfer their tech which is as good as western kit or satisfactory. do they even invest a reasonable amount on miniengine development? or do they go shopping for it?

 

[Oguzhan]

As far as I know there is something about this Kale engine that it won't be used in SOM-J which will be integrated to F-35.
Engine works fine for regular SOM but seems to be like physically "big" for SOM-J. Or never meant to be fit it anyway.

 

[My-Analogous]

Does Pakistan need Chinese permission for integration of aselpod to jf-17?
Why ı am asking this question is that; there is a big potential for Pakistan to adopt Turkish subsystems to jf-17s. Adopting one country's subsytems will be much more easy which will give independence to Pakistan.
This is a matter of time because the TFX schedule is for 2023. They will be ready until this time.Every our weapons and subsytems will be altenatives for Pakistan ı guess.

Yes we can and we don't need anyone permission for that including China

 

[SQ8]

Yea ... we haven't seen any additional development on the Ra'ad (publicly at least). I understand our R&D capacity not being great, but it's surprising that we haven't extended an invite to a competent vendor to help us out with ALCM development. A lighter ALCM that we can easily load onto the JF-17's wings would be nice, especially one that could double as an anti-ship missile (via IIR seeker).

Raad is a particularly heavy weapon and is as such confined to the Mirages in their centerline stations for now.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Raad is a particularly heavy weapon and is as such confined to the Mirages in their centerline stations for now.

really? if the jf-17 can carry a 240 gallon which is about 1100kg which is what the raad weighs too then dont you think it can carry it.

or at least the later block 2's which a reinforced variant can carry them

or what about the raads last test chinese forums were saying it was tested on a jf-17

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Raad is a particularly heavy weapon and is as such confined to the Mirages in their centerline stations for now.

Indeed, Ra'ad needs a centreline and aircraft clearance. For JF17, the SOW weapons would be C802, and other REK on GPBs.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Indeed, Ra'ad needs a centreline and aircraft clearance. For JF17, the SOW weapons would be C802, and other REK on GPBs.

I think it'll be able to support a Ra'ad If it can carry a MK 84.

 

[SQ8]

Indeed, Ra'ad needs a centreline and aircraft clearance. For JF17, the SOW weapons would be C802, and other REK on GPBs.

Im not too keen on any more SOM's since we have a decent array which for the time being the Mirages carry and are well suited to use. We need more Maverick like systems to allow our CAS jets greater survive-ability, otherwise with the current Indian ADGE over their battlegroups it will be a one way trip for most of them.

or what about the raads last test chinese forums were saying it was tested on a jf-17

No it did not, and weight is not the only criteria.
Clearance is.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Im not too keen on any more SOM's since we have a decent array which for the time being the Mirages carry and are well suited to use. We need more Maverick like systems to allow our CAS jets greater survive-ability, otherwise with the current Indian ADGE over their battlegroups it will be a one way trip for most of them.

dont you have the maverick already?

No it did not, and weight is not the only criteria.
Clearance is.

who said anything about being in the centre point the inner hard points on the wing will do

 

[SQ8]

dont you have the maverick already?


who said anything about being in the centre point the inner hard points on the wing will do

We have limited stocks of the AGM-65B which arent exactly young.
And no, the clearance in the inner wing stations is not enough. Clearance is NOT just vertical but horizontal as well. In addition, the weapon needs to be able to separate from eh aircraft cleanly.

 

[HRK]

We need more Maverick like systems

plz explain it bit further ....

 

[SQ8]

plz explain it bit further ....

The Indian battlegroup is becoming increasingly covered with surface to air threats such as the short range Strelas, Osa and Barak-8s. These will provide effective protection against basic bombing and strafing runs over formations.
To be able to stay out of the range of these weapons we need stand off munitions with visual or IR guidance that a forward air controller can designate for the pilot or the pilot himself can pick out from the ground and stop whilst still keeping away from these threats.