A Crackdown on Islam Is Spreading Across China

[beijingwalker]

CGTN= China global television network. Nice source there, it's like giving you an article about how great America is but the article is written by Someone at Fox news.


Again a source that can be heavily skewed by the government in Beijing. Do you understand what a scholarly source is?

We know what western propaganda is, and they have full of "scholars and experts" like Gordon Chang.

 

[LeGenD]

But US also dropped bombs in Muslim countries, is this 'freedom of religion'? actually US destroyed Muslim world with both bombs and freedom of religion, while the world is backing to jungle you'll find who will be hurt more.

Unintended consequences of American Globalism.

I had a discussion about the pitfalls of Globalism in this thread: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/taki...at-united-nations.636908/page-2#post-11792511

In good faith, I have warned my Chinese friends that Globalism is a path that will lead to numerous overseas confrontations and exorbitant spending habits, that China should think this through and not follow in the footsteps of US in this matter, not pursue Globalism.

China is respected for pragmatism and keeping its distance from conflicts that do not concern it. But this will change once Chinese Globalism take form.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

It's known that When Muslims are in Minority , they cry for minority rights.....when they are in majority, there are no minority rights.
So you have biased views on Muslim prosecution between China and other countries...good on you mate.
Who asked them to migrate to Ghettoised Europe...the thing is Muslims are never happy where ever they live...neither at home, nor anywhere else in the world. Reason: self inflicted isolation/ looking everything with a religious lens/ religious bias / criticising everything that is non-Islamic....leading to a specific non-adjusting mindset that does not believe in co-existence with other religions...irony is they can't even co-exist among themselves.

Load of cack "kiwi". Real new Zealanders don't share your views. Muslims are fine as long as an occupying army isn't gang raping their females, including minor females, and then so called civil society in their adopted home turn out and protest in support of the rapists.

It really is this simple. Russia, China, Europe.... seek a degree of peaceful homogeneity and has no problem with Muslims who work hard and pay their taxes. Hindutva meanwhile targets ALL Muslims alike. Abdullah senior's cries of disbelief as he - a Muslim who towed the Hindutva line for decades, who assimilated wholesale - was promptly arrested for simply existing.

"This isn't my India" he wailed.

Guess what, it always was and always will be as long as Hindutva is unchecked.

The tripe that you are copying from some b.s. Nazi websites is laughable. I am a Muslim and perfectly happy to integrate while retaining some semblance of identity and cultural ties.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Got proof? Statistics? Scholarly sources?

Chinese are atheists. They hates each and every religious group not just Muslims. They also targeted Christians and Buddhists on numerous occasions, even Dalai Lama had to flee China. But it doesn't suite your agenda, so yeah you won't highlight them, ever.

 

[Omar Al-Deek]

Communism is Satanic.

 

[rott]

Communism is Satanic.

Lol, so you know much about communism?
Communism is actually pragmatic, materialistic and rational. Unlike believing in religion.
You religious nut cases should just move to a cave. Isolate yourself pls and let normal humans live.

 

[Lincoln]

Xinjiang muslims are not oppressed either, by the way, they live a much better life than Kurds and Xinjiang is very developed and Kurdistan is like a war zone. what a life can you expect if you live in a war zone?

One side has religious freedom, one side does not. You guess who.

There are two wrongs and a right, one day you will find China is right.

I really recommend Obama to be your khalifa, his slogan is ' change!'.

All hail the CCP?

No thanks.

 

[Beast]

One side has religious freedom, one side does not. You guess who.



All hail the CCP?

No thanks.

The main point about them is not about religious freedom but separatism which is same as kurdish in Turkey. I love to see how one being selective in their argument.

http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/zt/zjxy/t36496.htm

The China section of the "Annual Report on International Religious Freedom for 1999" is nothing new, but rumors, distortion, fabrication and imagination with some brand-new packaging, plus some threats as always, to create excuses for the implementation of its International Religious Freedom Act.

We must solemnly point out with justice that in China, freedom of religious belief is a fundamental right to which all citizens are entitled by the Constitution and law and the problem of "religious persecution" does not exist in China. Such fact can not be distorted by anyone in any means.

Chinese citizens enjoy full religious freedom. China is not only a large country in terms of population, it is also a major country in terms of religion, with schools of Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Catholicism, Protestantism and others, and a total of 100 million religious adherents among a national population of 1.2 billion.


Xinjiang is not like kashmir. It is not under lock down or travel ban. Feel free to fly a ticket to there and visit yourself as long as you obey Chinese law and not promote extremism or separatism.

 

[beijingwalker]

One side has religious freedom, one side does not. You guess who.



All hail the CCP?

One side has freedom to die and starve, one side has freedom and develop and getting a better life for themselves and their families.

 

[Beast]

Communism is Satanic.

US is the real satanic. They are a country with no moral. engage in destruction of other countries and seek only sole power.

 

[Lincoln]

One side has freedom to die and starve, one side has freedom and develop and getting a better life for themselves and their families.

Still not denying the religious restrictions, huh. Cute.

 

[OIO]

Still not denying the religious restrictions, huh. Cute.

I don't deny the religious restrictions.
There's no universal value of freedom of religion at all, it was imposed on us by West.

Clash of civilizations is inevitable, why not restrict it from the beginning, I never sing song for freedom of religions or multiculturalism.

Unintended consequences of American Globalism.

I had a discussion about the pitfalls of Globalism in this thread: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/taki...at-united-nations.636908/page-2#post-11792511

In good faith, I have warned my Chinese friends that Globalism is a path that will lead to numerous overseas confrontations and exorbitant spending habits, that China should think this through and not follow in the footsteps of US in this matter, not pursue Globalism.

China is respected for pragmatism and keeping its distance from conflicts that do not concern it. But this will change once Chinese Globalism take form.

China does not export ideology or political system, if there is Chinese version globalism, it's different from US.

I divide the BRI into four circles:
sinosphere, former socialism countries, Muslim countries, sub african countries.
Most possible confrontations maybe in Muslim countries.

 

[mike2000 is back]

I request china to show restraint and trust on Muslims in china,they are chinese nationals and love china,they will never become threat to china

Its more than that. The issue here is that the CCP fears that religion interferes with their monopoly on power. You should know that the CCP(like most erstwhile communist regimes) have full and total control of the country, state institutions, justice system, media, government etc. As such the party publicly puts itself above the state itself. In short, if you don't love the party then you can't really be considered a patriot or might even be considered anti China, since to them the party is equal to China itself. So how can you love China if you don't love the party? That is also the dilemma. For example the police, security forces and military are all taught to be loyal to the party first and foremost then the country. In short even the military has to be loyal to the party and its top members are also members of the party as well. So even the military is linked to politics as well. So this also creates a situation where you have to show total loyalty to the party even as a military person.
So coming to the issue about the party and religion and Islam in particular, since that's what we are talking about. The main thing is that the party is right to be worried about religion(i'm looking at things from the party's view), since the way the party has been formed, it leaves no room for any possibility of a parallel organised mechanism or institution which might have some sort of power and control that isn't in the hands of the party. For example in Islam(like all Abrahamic religions) its believed that there is a higher power which is the ultimate power and as such members ought to be subordinate/subservient to the power and live and follow laws/rules of their religious scriptures and that only GOD is the highest /sole authority in their lives. This also clashes with the party beliefs/doctrine. Since the party should be the sole authority in Chinese peoples lives and total loyalty ought to be shown to the party not another 'higher power'. This is also why the CCP is still firmly separated from religion and it prohibits it's 90 million members from holding any spiritual beliefs whatsoever. Since the party is wary that believers can one day be following their god rather than their Party. People forget that Anti-religious, atheistic principles are part and parcel of the formation and foundation of the Communist party(every communist party in the world, not just China), going back to its very roots.
It is common knowledge that Marx proclaimed that “religion is the opiate of the masses.” Perhaps less well-known is that he expanded upon the idea. “Communism,” Marx wrote back then “begins from the outset with atheism.” So this is something people should understand. Its not like CCP just targets religions out of nowhere, its an ideological belief.
The people's daily summairsed it well in one of their articles: ''Superstition is thought pollution and spiritual anesthesia that cannot be underestimated and must be thoroughly purged.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ls-against-spiritual-anesthesia-idUSKBN1CH06O

So i think the problem here is that the root of the problem in international discussion with China on religious rights is not a legal one, nor a cultural one. It is an ideological one. How does one convince a ruling party whose own edict for itself is to officially renounce religion to protect and respect the rights of others who wish to practice it? especially when it goes against many of the communist party own principles/doctrine and even sole hold on power?

 

[rott]

@Globenim, you might like this thread.

 

[OIO]

Its more than that. The issue here is that the CCP fears that religion interferes with their monopoly on power. You should know that the CCP(like most erstwhile communist regimes) have full and total control of the country, state institutions, justice system, media, government etc. As such the party publicly puts itself above the state itself. In short, if you don't love the party then you can be considered a patriot or might even be considered anti China, since to them the party is equal to China itself. So how can you love China if you don't love the party? That is also the dilemma. For example the police, security forces and military are all taught to be loyal to the party first and foremost then the country. In short even the military has to be loyal to the party and its top members are also members of the party as well. So even the military is linked to politics as well. So this also creates a situation where you have to show total loyalty to the party even as a military person.
So coming to the issue about the party and religion and Islam in particular, since that's what we are talking about. The main thing is that the party is right to be worried about religion(i'm looking at things from the party's view), since the way the party has been formed, it leaves no room for any possibility of a parallel organised mechanism or institution which might have some sort of power and control that isn't in the hands of the party. For example in Islam(like all Abrahamic religions) its believed that there is a higher power which is the ultimate power and as such members ought to be subordinate/subservient to the power and live and follow laws/rules of their religious scriptures and that only GOD is the highest /sole authority in their lives. This also clashes with the party beliefs/doctrine. Since the party should be the sole authority in Chinese peoples lives and total loyalty ought to be shown to the party not another 'higher power'. This is also why the CCP is still firmly separated from religion and it prohibits it's 90 million members from holding any spiritual beliefs whatsoever. Since the party is wary that believers can one day be following their god rather than their Party. People forget that Anti-religious, atheistic principles are part and parcel of the formation and foundation of the Communist party(every communist party in the world, not just China), going back to its very roots.
It is common knowledge that Marx proclaimed that “religion is the opiate of the masses.” Perhaps less well-known is that he expanded upon the idea. “Communism,” Marx wrote back then “begins from the outset with atheism.” So this is something people should understand. Its not like CCP just targets religions out of nowhere, its an ideological belief.
The people's daily summairsed it well in one of their articles: ''Superstition is thought pollution and spiritual anesthesia that cannot be underestimated and must be thoroughly purged.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ls-against-spiritual-anesthesia-idUSKBN1CH06O

So i think the problem here is that the root of the problem in international discussion with China on religious rights is not a legal one, nor a cultural one. It is an ideological one. How does one convince a ruling party whose own edict for itself is to officially renounce religion to protect and respect the rights of others who wish to practice it? especially when it goes against many of the communist party own principles/doctrine and even sole hold on power?

The root of the problem is that in your mind China should follow the West.

You have to realize there's different system in the world, respect or not face it.