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Nw dont you think that here you are comparing orange with apples? Most developed and best countries in the worls are democracies incuding the country you are currently living. Isnt it!

Most of the best countries in the world are former colonial powers and lackeys of colonial powers. They got a head start in robbing other people. The most developed countries are the one that got a head start in technology and increase their productivity. India is a democracy, but I rather go live in China than India.
 
How do you know when you are on the right path? When you enemies hate your guts and keep giving you advice on what path to take.

Indian lackeys are laughable at their so called 'democracy'. Democracy has no more meaning as it has been abused by the West constant war mongering.

Democracy rest on a foundation of educated and well fed public. India has neither. Indian should look at their democracy and compare that to China's model and see who is right. The proof is in the pudding.

Every single country rise to the top through a state led model. Only after the public is well fed and educated, did 'democracy' and 'civic society' emerge.

What the hell do you think would happened if China was to go to Soviet Model? State own companies (electricity, oil, mining) would be robbed by the corrupt. Capital inflow from the West to these corrupt lackey sky rocket, giving control of chinese institution to Westerner. Chinese domestic media wouldn't be able to compete with Western media conglomerate, and the voice of Chinese people would be censor by Westerners.

India can continue with their so-called democracy. China will continue on her own path.


Agreed, democracy is not key to the development. India needs better leaders and even better voters. Still Indians have the power in the system to throw out the govt after their term is over or even earlier.

Where in the Chinese model of governance you find this kind of freedom. Today the top hierarchy of CPC might be working wonders for China, tomorrow if somebody like Hitler or Saddam Hussain comes to power then what optioin do the Chinese have...

And the corruption is known issue in cpc..
 
Says a guy who flaunts both flags of democratic country. If you were living in china and said such things against China, you would be in a dungeon ! That is democracy for you !

People in China criticize the government all the time, but it goes over the line when people tries to destablize the government and general society. How about you try joining those militant groups in America looking for an overthrow of the government? Last I heard, their compound was raided and now these guys are in a jail cell somewhere.

You can't have development when people are at war and trying to cause riots and ****. I rather have a few corrupt officials who can keep the economy rolling and let people live day-to-day making money and living their life.
 
Agreed, democracy is not key to the development. India needs better leaders and even better voters. Still Indians have the power in the system to throw out the govt after their term is over or even earlier.

Where in the Chinese model of governance you find this kind of freedom. Today the top hierarchy of CPC might be working wonders for China, tomorrow if somebody like Hitler or Saddam Hussain comes to power then what optioin do the Chinese have...

And the corruption is known issue in cpc..

put so well buddy.... Cheers. So in Chinese system there is no way to cleanse the dirt so as so say. Overtime the dirt will keep on accumulating in the ccp cadre and there is no way to remove them or filter them. Each one will want more wealth and power then the earlier ccp person, and will think of it as his right rather!
(91% of rich people are ccp or their relatives as per another ongoing thread.)

a hitler or saddam (or maybe hundreds of personalities who think like them) in Chinese system can never be thrown out.

People in China criticize the government all the time

criticize !! they are afraid to criticize on a online forum even.!! All the time is a joke.
 
Agreed, democracy is not key to the development. India needs better leaders and even better voters. Still Indians have the power in the system to throw out the govt after their term is over or even earlier.

Where in the Chinese model of governance you find this kind of freedom. Today the top hierarchy of CPC might be working wonders for China, tomorrow if somebody like Hitler or Saddam Hussain comes to power then what optioin do the Chinese have...

And the corruption is known issue in cpc..

It is a developing country corruption is a fact of live. Even in Washington DC, there are corruptions. These corruptions are disguised as fees and kickbacks. There is no system that is free of corruptions.

The top leadership in China acknowledged this issue, and that is important. In the West, people don't even acknowldege there's corruptions in government.
 
Götterdämmerung;3123030 said:
When did I say the Chinese are super rich? Are you stupid? At least the Chinese in general are much richer than democratic India and more of them have the freedom to travel outside their country.

Having the right to live, to have education, not to hunger, to have a decent job are the most fundamental rights and freedom of human being and slavery is the exact opposition of it. And India is the exact opposition of that.
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as you lot worry about indias hungry poor, we worry about underpaid/discriminated migrant workers in heartland china! its mutual eh? :drag:
 
as you lot worry about indias hungry poor, we worry about underpaid/discriminated migrant workers in heartland china! its mutual eh? :drag:

First of all, I worry about the Euro crisis and China has been very helpful by buying load of German products but the problems are my fellow Europeans in Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy and the whole system in total that has many flaws. It's about my heard earned money.

India not only has the hundreds of millions of hungry poors, but also the inhuman discrimination of the dalits, muslims and north-eastern peoples and of course the underpaid majority of Indian workers. Though Chinese migrant workers are not treated as equal as the city folks and their paid is lower for the hard jobs, they still enjoy greater material and immaterial life, e.g. better education, medical care and on average they still earn a few times more than an Indian.

Agreed, democracy is not key to the development. India needs better leaders and even better voters. Still Indians have the power in the system to throw out the govt after their term is over or even earlier.

Where in the Chinese model of governance you find this kind of freedom. Today the top hierarchy of CPC might be working wonders for China, tomorrow if somebody like Hitler or Saddam Hussain comes to power then what optioin do the Chinese have...

And the corruption is known issue in cpc..

India has voted so many out and what improvements have you achieved that is so much better than China? See, by the end of the day it's the meal on the table, the doctor for the sick child, the education, etc.
 
Götterdämmerung;3123457 said:
Though Chinese migrant workers are not treated as equal as the city folks and their paid is lower for the hard jobs, they still enjoy greater material and immaterial life, e.g. better education, medical care and on average they still earn a few times more than an Indian.
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ok so what do you suggest CCP should do? may be CCP should show youtube video of how india is poor, be happy with what you have. And show all the chart and graph from UN/international source comparing with India and ask migrant workers to STFU.. Right professor?
 
Götterdämmerung;3123457 said:
First of all, I worry about the Euro crisis and China has been very helpful by buying load of German products but the problems are my fellow Europeans in Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy and the whole system in total that has many flaws. It's about my heard earned money.

India not only has the hundreds of millions of hungry poors, but also the inhuman discrimination of the dalits, muslims and north-eastern peoples and of course the underpaid majority of Indian workers. Though Chinese migrant workers are not treated as equal as the city folks and their paid is lower for the hard jobs, they still enjoy greater material and immaterial life, e.g. better education, medical care and on average they still earn a few times more than an Indian.



India has voted so many out and what improvements have you achieved that is so much better than China? See, by the end of the day it's the meal on the table, the doctor for the sick child, the education, etc.

You forgot the peace of the mind. The freedom to take on the govt and bring out your frustration. Voices against corruption, bad governance, and for everything else under the earth. This is luxury dear of which the Chines are deprived of.

Its better you ask about the doctors and our education system from the Americans and Europeans which employ our doctors and India educated work-power. Why???
 
China's incoming president Xi Jinping's family 'has wealth of hundreds of millions'
The family of China's next president has amassed a fortune running into hundreds of millions of pounds, according to a hugely damaging new report.

By Malcolm Moore, Beijing

3:40PM BST 29 Jun 2012

The revelation comes as the Communist party faces increasingly difficult questions about how its leaders, who are paid ministerial salaries of just £8,000-a-year, live such gilded lives.

Xi Jinping, who turns 59 this month, is all but certain to be unveiled later this year as China's next paramount leader.

Mr Xi has carefully fostered a reputation for clean government, and there is no evidence that he has a personal fortune. Chinese officials are forbidden from accumulating significant wealth.

However, his daughter Xi Mingze studies at Harvard University under a pseudonym and an investigation by Bloomberg revealed yesterday (FRI)

that Mr Xi's other relatives have built an enormous empire.
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The investments are hidden from public view in multiple holding companies, but were identified among thousands of pages of regulatory findings, Bloomberg said.

The family's interests include a 1.83 billion yuan (£188 million) share of the assets of Shenzhen Yuanwei, a property investment company, according to a filing from December 2011.

Other companies in the same group, wholly owned by the family, have assets of at least 539.3 million yuan. They also have an indirect 18 per cent stake in Jiangxi Rare Earth & Rare Metals Tungsten Group, whose assets are worth some £1.1 billion.

Another 3.17 million yuan investment in Beijing's Hiconics Drive Technology company, made in 2009, is now worth 128.4 million yuan. The sums do not account for liabilities and consequently do not reflect the net worth of the family.

The family also owns a villa in Hong Kong worth £20 million and another six properties in the former British colony with an estimated value of £15.4 million. The Chinese Foreign ministry declined to comment on the revelations.

Most of the traceable fortune is held by Mr Xi's older sister, Qi Qiaoqiao, 63, her husband Deng Jiagui, 61, and her daughter Zhang Yannan, 33. However, a brother-in-law, Wu Long, ran New Postcom Equipment Co, which has won hundreds of millions of yuan in contracts from state-owned China Mobile.

No assets were traced to Mr Xi himself, his wife Peng Liyuan, or their daughter. There is also no indication that Mr Xi helped to advance his relatives' business, or of any wrongdoing by Mr Xi or his family, Bloomberg said.

However, the Chinese authorities were quick to censor the report, blocking Bloomberg's website from view on the mainland.

As China prepares for its once-in-a-decade transition of power, there is growing outrage over the wealth of its "princelings", the relatives of Communist party leaders.

While many princelings engage in legitimate business, there is a widespread perception that they trade on their connections to make money.

Bo Xilai, a member of the Communist party's politburo and the former chief of Chongqing, is now under investigation amid suspicions that his wife funnelled billions of dollars out of China.

On April 11, just hours after announcing Mr Bo's purge, the People's Daily, the official party mouthpiece, attacked Communist leaders for parlaying their power into wealth.

"Many use designated third parties – spouses, sons and daughters, lovers or friends" to generate and conceal wealth," it said.

Mr Bo's son, Guagua, has recently graduated from Harvard after studying at Papplewick, Harrow and Oxford University. His elder brother used a second name to control millions of pounds of shares at the Hong Kong subsidiary of a Chinese state bank. Two of his sisters are worth at least £80 million, according to a separate Bloomberg investigation.

There is a danger now, however, that the exposure of Mr Bo's wrongdoings will serve to illuminate the behaviour of other Communist party leaders. "Even Bo's opponents want everything to return to normal as soon as possible. His case is not unique and in some way illustrates the breakdown of the entire system," said one university professor, who asked not to be named.

Bo Zhiyue, a professor of Chinese politics at Singapore's National University said no systemic change is likely: "It is not possible for them to go after the princeling families. It would be like committing suicide. In the end, they will make Bo a single case and claim there is no wider implication." The revelations about Mr Xi's family's wealth will now challenge that.

Meanwhile, a poll in the People's Daily showed 91 per cent of respondents believed that all rich families in China had political backgrounds.

China's incoming president Xi Jinping's family 'has wealth of hundreds of millions' - Telegraph

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...-has-wealth-100-millions-2.html#ixzz1zDVMOLPs



So much for the rich and developed China!lol!
 
ok so what do you suggest CCP should do? may be CCP should show youtube video of how india is poor, be happy with what you have. And show all the chart and graph from UN/international source comparing with India and ask migrant workers to STFU.. Right professor?

Improve the life of the people even more, the wealthier the society become, the more freedom they enjoy (no money, no travel and no honey) and once all the material and immaterial needs reached a high standard, e.g. HDI above 0.8, there will be no worry to make great strides in political reforms.
 
Lol ! What a rationale reasoning...... The same change could have be brought about by the people chosen by the majority of people and for better and that's what we know as democracy.

Could you name me one country in the entire human history that changes from a developing country to a developed country through democracy? There's counter example though.
 
You forgot the peace of the mind. The freedom to take on the govt and bring out your frustration. Voices against corruption, bad governance, and for everything else under the earth. This is luxury dear of which the Chines are deprived of.

Its better you ask about the doctors and our education system from the Americans and Europeans which employ our doctors and India educated work-power. Why???

If you have followed the development in China more closely, then you will see that the Chinese gov. is far more responsive than your democratic India and people have more channels to vent their frustrations than most Indian can ever imagine, e.g. more people have internet access in China, more people have the luxury to go outside of China and see the differences.

Dude, I'm German living in Germany. I should know what is happening here in Europe. Nope, there ain't many Indian professionals here in continental Europe because you guys don't speak German, French, Spanish or Italian and we ain't like to speak English in our country.

Also, how many of your top universities are in the top 100? What is the illiteracy rate in India? and why are you so proud of the brain drain? Last I heard India has not enough highly skilled people, e.g. doctors and other professionals.
 
Could you name me one country in the entire human history that changes from a developing country to a developed country through democracy? There's counter example though.


Its not about development buddy, its about rights, citizens' rights!
 
Its not about development buddy, its about rights, citizens' rights!

Citizens' rights means nothing when you and your child go hungry to bed, when the education system sucks big time and therefore your child will have less chance to escape the vicious cycle of poverty.


See Maslow's hierarchy of needs:

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