A Chance PN Encounter with Indian Coast Guards.....Tea offered as usual.

[Dalit]

What a joy to see the Indians burn.

I have done something better. I have taken the data from nukemap (basically population density data) and made a simple simulation to find maximum number of deaths for 200 20KT bombs -- which is the maximum yield Pakistan has. I consider both injury and deaths as deaths. The number comes much less than 400 million. This will still leave 1 billion indians alive.

I cannot say the same thing about Pakistan, however. Even with 20-30KT bombs that India has, it can kill entire population of Pakistan if it wants. Actually, it can easily win the way by causing a mass carnage in Punjab, rest will capitulate very fast. There is a learning from your 1965 way... You need to know where to hit.

BTW, this assumes that Pakistan will be able to deliver EVERY SINGLE of the weapons, every single one of the is 20KT (Pakistan has much more number of less than a kiltonne bombs because it wants to fight a nuclear war unlike India which wants to create a deterrence) and every single one of their weapon works. This is the limit of deaths they can cause.

In a nuclear war, India will survive... badly badly hurt though.

Now, lets take what you have suggested : 20KT nuke of nagasaki caused 80K deaths (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki)... Lets double it. Make it 160K. So how many will 200 bombs will kill? 200 * 160K = 32 million. Remember, India lost 4-10 millions in covid pandemic and though terrible loss, it did not lead to end of India. Admittedly, nuclear war will cause worse deaths, Indians will survive. Pakistan does not have enough firepower.

You don't know shit. You don't know the exact yield of Pakistani nukes. You don't know the exact number of nukes Pakistan has. You don't know how Pakistan will respond when it actually came to nuclear war. LOL at your simulation. You are just predicting and hoping.

 

[KrimesKaster]

What a joy to see the Indians burn.



Yoi don't know shit. You don't know the exact yield of Pakistani nukes. You don't even know the exact yield of Indian nukes. LOL at your simulation.

I am underestimating Indian weapons yield and OVERESTIMATING Pakistan's weapons yield. In reality, Pakistan has much less powerful weapons and much less number of strategic delivery means. Pakistan wants to use nuclear weapons to fight a conventional war, India wants to use nuclear weapons mainly for deterrence.

If you can not even understand this you are not even worth talking to.

 

[Dalit]

I am underestimating Indian weapons yield and OVERESTIMATING Pakistan's weapons yield. In reality, Pakistan has much less powerful weapons and much less number of strategic delivery means. Pakistan wants to use nuclear weapons to fight a conventional war, India wants to use nuclear weapons mainly for deterrence.

If you can not even understand this you are not even worth talking to.

LOL here we have an Indian living in Canada who thinks he has all the facts on Pakistani nuclear weapons. You got zilch on Pakistani nukes. How can you even claim that Pakistani nukes have a certian yield? Provide a source that unambiguously proves the Pakistani nuclear yield. Otherwise go and catch fish.

 

[KrimesKaster]

1. Do you seriously advocate mutually assured destruction? Every single study so far has suggested that any exchange of nuclear weapons will lead to a nuclear winter, and that millions more will die during the aftermath, due to injuries received, or due to illnesses contracted due to exposure to radiation during the bombings.

You are wrong.
A nuclear war between Indian and Pakistan will NOT end up in a nuclear winter, you folks do not have megaton or even 100 KTs worth weapons. You are limited to 10s of kilotones worth boosted devices. Thats your limit.

LOL here we have an Indian from Canada who thinks he has all the facts on Pakistani nuclear weapons. Go and catch fish.

Shut up with your lies and stick with argument or get lost. I am ignoring you. No one should suffer a worthless person named "Dalit".

 

[Dalit]

You are wrong.
A nuclear war between Indian and Pakistan will NOT end up in a nuclear winter, you folks do not have megaton or even 100 KTs worth weapons. You are limited to 10s of kilotones worth boosted devices. Thats your limit.


Shut up with your lies and stick with argument or get lost. I am ignoring you. No one should suffer a worthless person named "Dalit".

You are a liar. Provide proof for your claims or I will report you Indian. How are you claiming with certainty that Pakistani nuclear weapons have a certain yield. You don't know that.

 

[Joe Shearer]

No one said blowing up and btw, that sub is not nuclear. Its few hundred million dollars tops. I suggested cornering it and forcing it to surface.

As far as nuclear holocaust goes, Pakistan does not have weapons to wipe out India, but India surely has enough to wipe out majority of Pakistan.

I never said India will come out of it without getting its hair mussed but majority will survive. I do say no more than 300 to 400 million deaths tops! Depending on the breaks.

An idle question - have you done the arithmetic?

AT A VERY CRUDE LEVEL,

1. Count the numbers of dead in the original two atom bombs;
2. Count the number of devices reported to be in Pakistani inventory;
3. Multiply the two, #1 by #2;
4. Do you seriously advocate mutually assured destruction? Every single study so far has suggested that any exchange of nuclear weapons will lead to a nuclear winter, and that millions more will die during the aftermath, due to injuries received, or due to illnesses contracted due to exposure to radiation during the bombings.

I am not sure how seriously you are taking these numbers. If your posts are intended to take the mickey, good luck and happy hunting. If you mean them to be taken seriously, perhaps some introspection is in order.

I have done something better. I have taken the data from nukemap (basically population density data) and made a simple simulation to find maximum number of deaths for 200 20KT bombs -- which is the maximum yield Pakistan has. I consider both injury and deaths as deaths. The number comes much less than 400 million. This will still leave 1 billion indians alive.

I cannot say the same thing about Pakistan, however. Even with 20-30KT bombs that India has, it can kill entire population of Pakistan if it wants. Actually, it can easily win the way by causing a mass carnage in Punjab, rest will capitulate very fast. There is a learning from your 1965 way... You need to know where to hit.

BTW, this assumes that Pakistan will be able to deliver EVERY SINGLE of the weapons, every single one of the is 20KT (Pakistan has much more number of less than a kiltonne bombs because it wants to fight a nuclear war unlike India which wants to create a deterrence) and every single one of their weapon works. This is the limit of deaths they can cause.

In a nuclear war, India will survive... badly badly hurt though.

Now, lets take what you have suggested : 20KT nuke of nagasaki caused 80K deaths (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki)... Lets double it. Make it 160K. So how many will 200 bombs will kill? 200 * 160K = 32 million. Remember, India lost 4-10 millions in covid pandemic and though terrible loss, it did not lead to end of India. Admittedly, nuclear war will cause worse deaths, Indians will survive. Pakistan does not have enough firepower.

I cannot bring myself to contemplate this Doomsday scenario, but your numbers seem to be right. The thought of wiping out Pakistan by deliberate design is horrifying; I have too many friends and too much regard for some elements within it, elements that closely resemble our own social features, to think casually about it.

It is true that the sheer strain of coping with their unrelieved hatred is difficult to withstand. Whether that should lead to nuclear war is another matter. I do not think so.

This response is without checking and verifying the numbers you have used.

Perhaps we can discuss this on a separate thread.

 

[Cookie Monster]

I have done something better. I have taken the data from nukemap (basically population density data) and made a simple simulation to find maximum number of deaths for 200 20KT bombs -- which is the maximum yield Pakistan has. I consider both injury and deaths as deaths. The number comes much less than 400 million. This will still leave 1 billion indians alive.

I cannot say the same thing about Pakistan, however. Even with 20-30KT bombs that India has, it can kill entire population of Pakistan if it wants. Actually, it can easily win the way by causing a mass carnage in Punjab, rest will capitulate very fast. There is a learning from your 1965 way... You need to know where to hit.

BTW, this assumes that Pakistan will be able to deliver EVERY SINGLE of the weapons, every single one of the is 20KT (Pakistan has much more number of less than a kiltonne bombs because it wants to fight a nuclear war unlike India which wants to create a deterrence) and every single one of their weapon works. This is the limit of deaths they can cause.

In a nuclear war, India will survive... badly badly hurt though.

Now, lets take what you have suggested : 20KT nuke of nagasaki caused 80K deaths (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki)... Lets double it. Make it 160K. So how many will 200 bombs will kill? 200 * 160K = 32 million. Remember, India lost 4-10 millions in covid pandemic and though terrible loss, it did not lead to end of India. Admittedly, nuclear war will cause worse deaths, Indians will survive. Pakistan does not have enough firepower.

lol nvm all those clueless scientists modelling away such scenarios in super computers...
...all those studies obviously pale in comparison to ur "simple simulation". They should just pack up and go home...we got a new genius on here that can calculate such complexities within minutes in a single rant.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You are wrong.
A nuclear war between Indian and Pakistan will NOT end up in a nuclear winter, you folks do not have megaton or even 100 KTs worth weapons. You are limited to 10s of kilotones worth boosted devices. Thats your limit.

All the projections that I have seen said so. They are not at hand, and I do not feel inclined to go around digging for them. However, I accept your statement at face value, subject to further examination.

Shut up with your lies and stick with argument or get lost. I am ignoring you. No one should suffer a worthless person named "Dalit".

That sounds quite violent; why should the name 'Dalit' be so offensive to you? More after I hear from you, on this narrow point.

 

[Dalit]

lol nvm all those clueless scientists modelling away such scenarios in super computers...
...all those studies obviously pale in comparison to ur "simple simulation". They should just pack up and go home...we got a new genius on here that can calculate such complexities within minutes in a single rant.

These fools love to pat themselves on their back. Claiming they know all the facts. LOL simulating stuff on their computers. The truth is that they don't know zilch.

The Americans don't even know which truck we use to carry missiles LOL The CIA fantasizes that Pakistan moves around its missiles and nukes in light vans LOL

 

[KrimesKaster]

lol nvm all those clueless scientists modelling away such scenarios in super computers...
...all those studies obviously pale in comparison to ur "simple simulation". They should just pack up and go home...we got a new genius on here that can calculate such complexities within minutes in a single rant.

Well, they do not model India Pakistan. Their work is mainly on US and USSR. India Pakistan do not have massive bombs. Also, if you do not know anything about simulations, please shut up or present a cogent argument.

 

[Joe Shearer]

God forbid the day Pakistan and india actually make this exchange a reality, it won't be just Pakistanis and indians but everyone in the neighborhood and after sometime, millions more.

They may be controlling the red or black or grey button to launch these weapons, but they don't control the aftermath. It will be death of this planet.

We do not often agree, but I totally agree with you on this point.

A better suggestion is ghazwa e hind fought with swords, horses, elephants and stuff .................. any other stupidity is too much for rest of the world to allow.

Thanks, but this is not hugely better. I shall treat this as your giving all Indians the bird, and ignore it.

 

[Dalit]

Well, the do not model India Pakistan. Their work is mainly on US and USSR. India Pakistan do not have massive bombs. Also, if you do not know anything about simulations, please shut up or present a cogent argument.

Says the guy who cannot even provide a source for Pakistani nuke yields.

Shouldn't you be trolling on Chinese and Russian topics? Why the sudden urge to hate on Pakistan?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Well, the do not model India Pakistan. Their work is mainly on US and USSR. India Pakistan do not have massive bombs. Also, if you do not know anything about simulations, please shut up or present a cogent argument.

Stay cool.

Above all, ignore agents provocateur.

 

[.King.]

You mean when cold start doctrine was turned into Cold "Feet" to start a doctrine?

Honestly, look up wargames of tactical nukes. This wasnt some concept pakistan invented, its been there since the 60's. Tactical nukes have failed to stop armoured thrusts, and you risk all out retaliation by India in line with NFU policy.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Well, the do not model India Pakistan. Their work is mainly on US and USSR. India Pakistan do not have massive bombs. Also, if you do not know anything about simulations, please shut up or present a cogent argument.

Hey retard...so after ur failed attempt of ur "simple simulation"...u also don't seem to know how a debate works. The burden of proof is on u...to provide us with the data of ur "simple simulation". U r the one coming here making grand claims...not me.

As for "they do not model India Pakistan"...this again shows how clueless u really are. Constantly pulling stuff from ur behind. I can smell ur BS all the way here.