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Considering all the recent threads on the talk of a caliphate, I don't know if it's been said here before by any of my Pakistani brethren, in the detail which I wish to see it discussed, and at the cost of sounding slightly condescending and maybe even myopic, I'd like to opine that even if there were established a Caliphate the only way I would ever want Pakistan to accede to it is if they make Islamabad the capital of it all. Frankly speaking, and taking lesson from Syria, Iraq and Libya and the ever-growing rift between Sunni Islam and Shiite Islam....I don't think the Arabs know what they're getting into.

Also, I don't think anybody in the immediate Middle-East knows how to play America quite like the Pakistanis do. Some essential reading for those of you interested:

http://www.amazon.com/Magnificent-Delusions-Pakistan-History-Misunderstanding/dp/1610393171/ref=pd_sim_b_5?ie=UTF8&refRID=1DDHD9XQAAK6RTR2RMK5

Granted Pakistan has its shortcomings, many more so than some extraordinarily stable Middle Eastern countries such as the Emirates, Saudi and Qatar. But if you step back and look at the bigger picture, it becomes increasingly evident that almost all of Pakistan's worries, in its brief but eventful history, have stemmed from its weak economy and the paucity of funds at the disposal of the Federal Government. I don't mean to blow our trumpet, and I submit the foregoing ever so humbly but when you look at the successes which Pakistan has achieved and more so on the shoestring budget which it has done so, it only tickles one's fancy as to what this nation is capable of, had it the abundance of wealth which the Arabs enjoy from the blessed black resource which Allah has given them near-infinite amounts off.

A Muslim Caliphate is a concerning thought for a Pakistani, because effectively a Caliphate is an Arab Caliphate and the Pakistanis have little in common culturally and linguistically (save for our Persian script) with the Arab traditions. For better or for worse, our fates are inter-twined because we have accepted Islam as our religion of choice and we have submitted ourselves to it on a national level by incorporating its tents into our constituting documents. But in a Caliphate, our constituting documents themselves lose all constitutional force and our sovereignty is dissolved and our land merged into a pan-Arab State. The geographical merger of the lands under the Caliphate would automatically render the idea on which Pakistan was founded, a story for the pages of history, and the fate of the Pakistani people would rest, then, solely in the hands of an Arab man, living in a foreign land beyond the reach of the largest segment of our society, the financially-afflicted.

I understand that to many, this would be a welcome merger and possibly even news for redemption, and to them I have little to say, because unlike me they were never Pakistani to begin with...and also unlike me, they will not understand the gravity of what I am trying to stress here. Moving on...and accepting our geographical merger under the Caliphate, the dissolution of our Parliament, the repudiation of our Constitution, the demise of our culture and our traditions, the usurpation of our sovereignty, etc....

Assuming Baghdadi's Caliphate finds legitimacy among the Arabs (in all likelihood it won't, but I'm just going to argue this on the foregoing assumption) and Pakistan pledges her allegiance to him, and assuming he's serious about his hell-bent aspirations to conquer the world, and to do so he calls for total control over Pakistan's nuclear arsenal, will we be ready to relinquish it for him?

*pause for effect*

Even in a post-Caliphate world, our nuclear arsenal guarantees our freedom from the hegemonic forces lying on our Eastern border, and relinquishing control of our nuclear weapons to a Caliph in Raqqa, who hasn't the slightest clue of the strategic importance of our deterrent would spell absolute disaster for us. Sure, we can give him partial control, or insist he operate the arsenal through us but then we'd be forgetting one very important contingency of our allegiance - Total submission to the will of the Caliph. Is Pakistan prepared to do as he insists to the detriment of our national integrity? Is Pakistan prepared to hand over its nuclear deterrent to an Arab in an unheard-of Iraqi city who swears that he has been appointed by the will of Allah as the leader of Muslims everywhere?

Handing over our strategic assets to madman-Baghdadi would mean abandoning control of the border which we share with India, and maybe also forever losing to our greatest arch-nemesis, whose superpower aspirations have actually helped spur us on towards self-reliance and economic stability. Territorial loss in Khorasan would be of trivial concern to a Caliphate because the real focus of the Arabian world are the immediate cities of Jerusalem, Baghdad, Constantinople, Andalus, Mecca and Medina - the perennial constituents of the ancient Islamic Empire. Islamabad, Lahore and Karachi do not register as important cities for the continuation of the Muslim world.

I would also hate to be sitting here knowing that as a Pakistani Muslim, my old country lost territory to the Indian cold-start doctrine, after relinquishing total control of our strategic assets to the Caliph, and that I am now a second rate citizen in an Arab Caliphate and will never enjoy the same rights as an Arab because I will always be an Ajami and, therefore, not from Allah's chosen race of people.

Also no matter how many assurances I get from any of my Pakistani or Arabian brethren on the equality of status which the citizens of a Caliphate would enjoy, I will always know first-hand the contempt with which the Arabs hold the people of the sub-continent. For this very reason in particular and relying on the foregoing in general, I am adamant in insisting that the seat of power for any Caliphate should rest in Islamabad, because as Ajamis we stand to lose a lot.

I would also like to bring this forum's attention to the absolute possibility of the Caliph (particularly Baghdadi) mismanaging our strategic assets to the point of obliteration and the very possible likelihood of the total annihilation of the Muslim Ummah. Another reason not to accede to any Caliphate!

In a modern world, then, isn't a Caliphate only for Arabs and not Pakistanis.

A note to my Arab brothers, please do not be offended by this post and correct me where I'm wrong. My post is for academic purposes and I would like your opinion on the matter as well.
 
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Arabs and us will never be equals the article holds true our cities our threat perception would not be shraed by the so called caliph let alone a arab one,No we pakistani's don't need to hand over our weapons to an arab never ever ,pakistan is and will be for pakistani's only and am proud to be its first class citizen rather then arab 2nd class. if a 3rd world war happens map of the world might significantly change but our military complex and military will assure pakistan survives same can not be said abt the arabs in middleast borders.

one thing we could do is something like EU but for AJAM only with iran,turkey,malaysia,indonesia and pakistan but any organisation which has arabs is doomed to fail ,i.e O.I.C (uterly useless)
 
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The Khilafa was never Arab centric, all ethnicities contributed to the greatness of the Ottoman empire some way or another, the caliphate comprised of Turks. Btw, you are attributing the mistreatment of South Asians in ME countries to the khilafa, the point of it is that it is a egalitarian society, nationalism is not allowed, we are Muslims, end of. I wait to see the day a proper caliphate is established that is appointed by the people.

Islamabad the capital? LOL, you're demanding too much now.
 
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Indeed as Pakistanis our Islamabad, Lahore, and Karachi should be the equivalent of Mecca, Medina, and Jerusalem in our minds. We have no need for the so called "caliphate", I would actually prefer merger with our cultural brethren to the east before a merger with that jahil Baghdadi in the west.
 
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That book Magnificent Delusions has been written by a Pakistani traitor and SHIA Hussain Haqqani, who inevitably be against Bahghdadi ISIS who kills Shias.

Pakistan can be part of Caliphate just like the EU, granted Pakistan will also follow her traditions and have control over its nuclear weapons. Anyway Pakistan must be part of the Caliphate and the leader and Islamabad as the headquarters not some Iraqi town. !!!!
 
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If a non-Arab country like Turkey can have the caliphate why not Pakistan. The keypoint is Pakistan should be the headquarters of the Caliphate.
 
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Assuming Baghdadi's Caliphate finds legitimacy among the Arabs (in all likelihood it won't, but I'm just going to argue this on the foregoing assumption) and Pakistan pledges her allegiance to him, and assuming he's serious about his hell-bent aspirations to conquer the world, and to do so he calls for total control over Pakistan's nuclear arsenal, will we be ready to relinquish it for him?

*pause for effect*

Total submission to the will of the Caliph. Is Pakistan prepared to do as he insists to the detriment of our national integrity? Is Pakistan prepared to hand over its nuclear deterrent to an Arab in an unheard-of Iraqi city who swears that he has been appointed by the will of Allah as the leader of Muslims everywhere?

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Rest assured when that day happens, every country from all over the world will join forces and put down the Caliphate even before they can fire a bullet just like they did before after WW1. :D
 
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The Khilafa was never Arab centric, all ethnicities contributed to the greatness of the Ottoman empire some way or another, the caliphate comprised of Turks. Btw, you are attributing the mistreatment of South Asians in ME countries to the khilafa, the point of it is that it is a egalitarian society, nationalism is not allowed, we are Muslims, end of. I wait to see the day a proper caliphate is established that is appointed by the people.

Islamabad the capital? LOL, you're demanding too much now.

Please do not confuse Khilafat and Malukiat.

Thank you

If a non-Arab country like Turkey can have the caliphate why not Pakistan. The keypoint is Pakistan should be the headquarters of the Caliphate.

How about Pakistan should be headquarter for Pakistanis at least.

Thank you

That book Magnificent Delusions has been written by a Pakistani traitor and SHIA Hussain Haqqani, who inevitably be against Bahghdadi ISIS who kills Shias.

Pakistan can be part of Caliphate just like the EU, granted Pakistan will also follow her traditions and have control over its nuclear weapons. Anyway Pakistan must be part of the Caliphate and the leader and Islamabad as the headquarters not some Iraqi town. !!!!

you have read the book?

there is a caliphate in the west, all western countries bow to US wishes.

Please do not put lipstick on camel and advertise it as a princes unless you are in that kind of thing.

West today has no link whatsoever to any Khilafah Lafafah. Sorry to say.

Thank you
 
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Indeed as Pakistanis our Islamabad, Lahore, and Karachi should be the equivalent of Mecca, Medina, and Jerusalem in our minds. We have no need for the so called "caliphate", I would actually prefer merger with our cultural brethren to the east before a merger with that jahil Baghdadi in the west.

Heartwarming, truly.:p: Although, I'm pretty sure @Armstrong is gearing up to punish you for your apostasy, probably through the medium of vanquishing you in a competition of comparing biceps.

But, just for an instant, imagine if Pakistan were indeed part of Bagdadhi's caliphate. Imagine the epic quantum of idiocy that will ensue, least of all how the burger bachchas of Pakistan will commit collective harakiri as global capital flees its shores en mass (as in no real burgers anymore, buttsy might just scrape through on nihari).:partay:

@Hyperion on the other hand would probably beat his head into the wall till nothing but shattered bone and mangled flesh is left.
 
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Considering all the recent threads on the talk of a caliphate, I don't know if it's been said here before by any of my Pakistani brethren, in the detail which I wish to see it discussed, and at the cost of sounding slightly condescending and maybe even myopic, I'd like to opine that even if there were established a Caliphate the only way I would ever want Pakistan to accede to it is if they make Islamabad the capital of it all. Frankly speaking, and taking lesson from Syria, Iraq and Libya and the ever-growing rift between Sunni Islam and Shiite Islam....I don't think the Arabs know what they're getting into.

Also, I don't think anybody in the immediate Middle-East knows how to play America quite like the Pakistanis do. Some essential reading for those of you interested:

http://www.amazon.com/Magnificent-Delusions-Pakistan-History-Misunderstanding/dp/1610393171/ref=pd_sim_b_5?ie=UTF8&refRID=1DDHD9XQAAK6RTR2RMK5

Granted Pakistan has its shortcomings, many more so than some extraordinarily stable Middle Eastern countries such as the Emirates, Saudi and Qatar. But if you step back and look at the bigger picture, it becomes increasingly evident that almost all of Pakistan's worries, in its brief but eventful history, have stemmed from its weak economy and the paucity of funds at the disposal of the Federal Government. I don't mean to blow our trumpet, and I submit the foregoing ever so humbly but when you look at the successes which Pakistan has achieved and more so on the shoestring budget which it has done so, it only tickles one's fancy as to what this nation is capable of, had it the abundance of wealth which the Arabs enjoy from the blessed black resource which Allah has given them near-infinite amounts off.

A Muslim Caliphate is a concerning thought for a Pakistani, because effectively a Caliphate is an Arab Caliphate and the Pakistanis have little in common culturally and linguistically (save for our Persian script) with the Arab traditions. For better or for worse, our fates are inter-twined because we have accepted Islam as our religion of choice and we have submitted ourselves to it on a national level by incorporating its tents into our constituting documents. But in a Caliphate, our constituting documents themselves lose all constitutional force and our sovereignty is dissolved and our land merged into a pan-Arab State. The geographical merger of the lands under the Caliphate would automatically render the idea on which Pakistan was founded, a story for the pages of history, and the fate of the Pakistani people would rest, then, solely in the hands of an Arab man, living in a foreign land beyond the reach of the largest segment of our society, the financially-afflicted.

I understand that to many, this would be a welcome merger and possibly even news for redemption, and to them I have little to say, because unlike me they were never Pakistani to begin with...and also unlike me, they will not understand the gravity of what I am trying to stress here. Moving on...and accepting our geographical merger under the Caliphate, the dissolution of our Parliament, the repudiation of our Constitution, the demise of our culture and our traditions, the usurpation of our sovereignty, etc....

Assuming Baghdadi's Caliphate finds legitimacy among the Arabs (in all likelihood it won't, but I'm just going to argue this on the foregoing assumption) and Pakistan pledges her allegiance to him, and assuming he's serious about his hell-bent aspirations to conquer the world, and to do so he calls for total control over Pakistan's nuclear arsenal, will we be ready to relinquish it for him?

*pause for effect*

Even in a post-Caliphate world, our nuclear arsenal guarantees our freedom from the hegemonic forces lying on our Eastern border, and relinquishing control of our nuclear weapons to a Caliph in Raqqa, who hasn't the slightest clue of the strategic importance of our deterrent would spell absolute disaster for us. Sure, we can give him partial control, or insist he operate the arsenal through us but then we'd be forgetting one very important contingency of our allegiance - Total submission to the will of the Caliph. Is Pakistan prepared to do as he insists to the detriment of our national integrity? Is Pakistan prepared to hand over its nuclear deterrent to an Arab in an unheard-of Iraqi city who swears that he has been appointed by the will of Allah as the leader of Muslims everywhere?

Handing over our strategic assets to madman-Baghdadi would mean abandoning control of the border which we share with India, and maybe also forever losing to our greatest arch-nemesis, whose superpower aspirations have actually helped spur us on towards self-reliance and economic stability. Territorial loss in Khorasan would be of trivial concern to a Caliphate because the real focus of the Arabian world are the immediate cities of Jerusalem, Baghdad, Constantinople, Andalus, Mecca and Medina - the perennial constituents of the ancient Islamic Empire. Islamabad, Lahore and Karachi do not register as important cities for the continuation of the Muslim world.


Also no matter how many assurances I get from any of my Pakistani or Arabian brethren on the equality of status which the citizens of a Caliphate would enjoy, I will always know first-hand the contempt with which the Arabs hold the people of the sub-continent. For this very reason in particular and relying on the foregoing in general, I am adamant in insisting that the seat of power for any Caliphate should rest in Islamabad, because as Ajamis we stand to lose a lot.

I would also like to bring this forum's attention to the absolute possibility of the Caliph (particularly Baghdadi) mismanaging our strategic assets to the point of obliteration and the very possible likelihood of the total annihilation of the Muslim Ummah. Another reason not to accede to any Caliphate!

In a modern world, then, isn't a Caliphate only for Arabs and not Pakistanis.


This scares the crap out of me for the sake of our kids and their kids...thinking that we will be leaving a ficked up world filled with pre historic baboons and monkeys weilding nukes and grenade launchers and chemical weapons running amok beheading and killing non believers and shouting Allah o Akbaar. I wish my generation itself takes care of these retards in wholesale.
 
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This scares the crap out of me for the sake of our kids and their kids...thinking that we will be leaving a ficked up world filled with pre historic baboons and monkeys weilding nukes and grenade launchers and chemical weapons running amok beheading and killing non believers and shouting Allah o Akbaar. I wish my generation itself takes care of these retards in wholesale.

no need to get scared.

Kids will figure out how to defend themselves. They will be smart enough. Obviously they are yours. Jaisa baap waisa Munna.


Make sure to leave your family hairloom teer-Kaman (bow and arrow) for them.

All will be OK.

Dum maro dum
mit jai ghum

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But, just for an instant, imagine if Pakistan were indeed part of Bagdadhi's caliphate.

Oh Bhai sahib

imagine if India was part of Baghdadi Moghal Khalifa rule

We already have our TTP Khalifas that we are sending on direct flight to paradise

Thanking you 1000 times.
 
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no need to get scared.

Kids will figure out how to defend them.

Just leave your family hairloom teer-Kaman (bow and arrow) for them.

All will be OK.

Dum maro dum
mit jai ghum


Says who?? you are part and parcel of the bozos. You come packaged - probably a liberal one, but one of the same. Assurances from you will not amount to jack - the whole jihadi pipeline runs through you.

Not to forget the jihadi highway from all the bozoland of central asia upto ME through terror central.

So save your teer kamans for your disenchanted jihadis who want a piece of your flesh. We can take care of our borders, we have killed hundred thousands of them before and will take care of them in the future too.
 
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