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A prominent Peking University think tank posted a surprisingly frank assessment of China’s technological strengths and weaknesses on 30 January—and took it down less than 1 week later. The report, titled China-US Strategic Competition in Technology: Analysis and Prospects in Mandarin, warns China has more to lose than the United States if technological cooperation between the countries should wither, a process called “decoupling.” It acknowledges that China still lags the United States in key technologies—particularly high-end semiconductors, operating systems and software, and aerospace.

Although the appraisal itself did not come as a surprise to those following Chinese-U.S. science and technology rivalries, “I found it surprising that they would let this thing be released,” says Denis Simon, a China science policy expert at Duke University. It’s rare for China to acknowledge its technological vulnerabilities, Simon says. The report was likely pulled for political reasons, he adds: “It’s not a good idea to have a [Peking University] report that states China has weaknesses and is vulnerable.”

The eight-page document, downloaded by Sciencebefore it was taken down, claims to be an abridged version of an interim report from a study being conducted by Peking University’s Institute of International and Strategic Studies (IISS). The study was overseen by IISS President Wang Jisi, with contributions by a Peking University doctoral student and two IISS research assistants. Neither Wang nor the institute responded to emails from ScienceInsider. “The authors of the study are well known and respected within and outside of China,” says Brad Farnsworth, an international higher education expert at the consulting firm Fox Hollow Advisory.

In the report, which lacks supporting data, the team analyzed the implications of such metrics as scientific citations, trends in the movement of researchers, patents, and national spending on R&D. They found:

  • “China’s overall technological strength has gradually increased. … However, China still has a long way to go from being a quantitatively strong country in science and technology to being a qualitatively strong country in science and technology.”
  • “China still lags far behind the United States in terms of the number of highly cited papers and in paper originality.”
  • “Both China and the U.S. face losses from [technological] decoupling, both at the technical and industrial levels, but China’s losses may be greater at present.”
The report also notes that China still spends much less on basic research than the United States, both in terms of absolute amount and as a proportion of total R&D funding. And the Chinese brain drain is continuing: “A considerable number of overseas students choose to stay and develop their careers in the United States after obtaining STEM [science, technology, engineering, and math] doctorates in American universities,” the authors write.

The report “makes a refreshingly clear and honest appraisal of China’s strengths and weaknesses, and while scientific experts might challenge some of its narrower conclusions, the overall assessment seems about right,” says Farnsworth, who was previously a vice president at the American Council on Education and dealt extensively with Chinese universities.

The IISS study assesses each country’s strength in three areas of technology: artificial intelligence (AI), information technologies, and aerospace. The United States clearly leads in such areas as integrated circuits, computer operating systems, AI chips, and algorithms, the report says. China has strong positions in next-generation mobile communications, facial and speech recognition, and computer vision. When it comes to aerospace, “the United States is absolutely leading,” the authors write. Summing up, China is “following [the United States] in most fields, running side by side in a few, and leading in very few,” the authors write. That conclusion echoes findings in The State of U.S. Science and Engineering 2022, published by the U.S. National Science Foundation, which confirms China has overtaken the United States as the world’s leader in several key scientific metrics.

The fears of a decoupling voiced in the report echo two recent surveys of Chinese scholars in the United States, who also worry about the state of scientific cooperation between the two countries. One was conducted by the University of Michigan’s Association of Chinese Professors and another by the Committee of 100, a group of prominent Chinese Americans. Both surveys concluded that current U.S. policies, particularly the Department of Justice’s China Initiative to crack down on alleged theft of U.S. intellectual property, are discouraging Chinese-U.S. scientific cooperation, to the detriment of the United States.

Guojun Sheng, a Chinese developmental biologist working at Kumamoto University in Japan—who’s not directly collaborating with U.S. researchers himself—worries the relationship between the countries “will morph into one full of paranoid suspicion, unless the two governments come up with a new model of coexistence.”

Simon agrees. “We need new bilateral agreements,” he says. Current cooperative agreements date back 40 years, when China was a developing country. New agreements, recognizing the two countries are closer to technological parity, could tackle issues that have recently plagued the relationship, starting with protections for intellectual property, Simon says.

https://www.science.org/content/art...-china-s-technological-weaknesses-then-report
 
That report identified the technology areas where ‘Made In China 2025’ is addressing.

There is nothing breaking news about the report that hasn’t been said already in dozens of other reports.

It’s clearly an accurate report that hit a nerve for the CCP. Time to come back to reality
 
It’s clearly an accurate report that hit a nerve for the CCP. Time to come back to reality

All the report said was the tech areas China is not yet self-sufficient in.

Literally everyone knows these few areas and have been addressed in ‘Made In China 2025’.

Only one that need to come back to reality is your delusions about Tesla.
 
It’s clearly an accurate report that hit a nerve for the CCP. Time to come back to reality

Then you have nothing to worry about... But why in shambles every time China does something new?

Btw these academics? Political science experts, not subject matter experts.

All the report said was the tech areas China is not yet self-sufficient in.

Literally everyone knows these few areas and have been addressed in ‘Made In China 2025’.

Only one that need to come back to reality is your delusions about Tesla.

The actual report doesn't say what the article asserts it says.
 
It’s clearly an accurate report that hit a nerve for the CCP. Time to come back to reality

what nerve? what reality check? the report literally said nothing that the chinese dont already know and are actively working to improve on. no one here is going to disagree with you that the us is stronger currently in areas like ICs, operating systems and such

are you thinking that china is hiding these fact or something in your head?
because china very publicly acknowledges that it needs to work on semiconductors and aerospace, what with american engines being better and all.
 
Lol you are celebrating over nothing. The report says China's only behind in a few areas which those in China and most people in the world already know. These are.

High end semiconductors which only now four countries in the entire world can do and these are USA, China (mainland and Taiwan province), South Korea, Japan.

Computer OS (which again China also does and isn't weak in but certainly behind the US).

AI and software which they claim is behind the US. Probably but China is also a leading player here.

And report says too much brain drain to the US from China.

Keep in mind the big picture, China went from a tech nobody to a very firm overall second place in roughly 70 years and is either neck and neck with USA in some fields or even further ahead which the report mentions. It doesn't mention communications technologies where China is ahead in.

I don't see how this report reflects badly on China. In fact quite the opposite. We have gone from China is a nobody to China is behind the USA (leading by far in the past) in only three major ways. Well they didn't include aero engines which USA is far ahead in so including really most major technology fields, China has dozens of areas to catch up to but this is in contrast to even 20 years ago where China would have hundreds of major tech areas to catch up to.

They removed the report not because it looks bad on China LOL some indian idiots I'm sure think that but they missed the trend and the big picture.

This report made China look too good and too threatening. How can China only be behind the US in so few ways when the popular idiot think China is far behind in every single way rather than just the three the report touches on and in reality, the dozens of areas. Simply we should remember that China used to be much farther behind in every single field and now it's only these. Something like this would make American policy makers feel more uncomfortable and more desperate to do things.

At this time we should include a comparison picture. Look how India was further ahead of China in the 1950s and India cannot produce a single computer or chip below 100nm lol. It cannot do anything that China mastered decades ago. Where is India's Huawei or BYD or hypersonic aircraft or supercomputer or wind tunnel or goods exported across the world?

There's the trend and the difference over time. The big picture.
 
It's a very balanced report albeit needing some update. Since when did poor plastic making China become the number 2 in the world? We are just poor and stupid, no worries mate.

Brutal reality check for our resident Chinese :lol:
Brutal? Bro, the article seems to imply we are only second to USA, until 5 years ago, the general concensus is we are a bunch of cheap plastic trinket maker. Now we have an Insecured cheerleader seem desperately trying to prove you are number one? It seems US is so screwed that they need to be compare to poor plastic making Chyna? Lol
 
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A prominent Peking University think tank posted a surprisingly frank assessment of China’s technological strengths and weaknesses on 30 January—and took it down less than 1 week later. The report, titled China-US Strategic Competition in Technology: Analysis and Prospects in Mandarin, warns China has more to lose than the United States if technological cooperation between the countries should wither, a process called “decoupling.” It acknowledges that China still lags the United States in key technologies—particularly high-end semiconductors, operating systems and software, and aerospace.

Although the appraisal itself did not come as a surprise to those following Chinese-U.S. science and technology rivalries, “I found it surprising that they would let this thing be released,” says Denis Simon, a China science policy expert at Duke University. It’s rare for China to acknowledge its technological vulnerabilities, Simon says. The report was likely pulled for political reasons, he adds: “It’s not a good idea to have a [Peking University] report that states China has weaknesses and is vulnerable.”

The eight-page document, downloaded by Sciencebefore it was taken down, claims to be an abridged version of an interim report from a study being conducted by Peking University’s Institute of International and Strategic Studies (IISS). The study was overseen by IISS President Wang Jisi, with contributions by a Peking University doctoral student and two IISS research assistants. Neither Wang nor the institute responded to emails from ScienceInsider. “The authors of the study are well known and respected within and outside of China,” says Brad Farnsworth, an international higher education expert at the consulting firm Fox Hollow Advisory.

In the report, which lacks supporting data, the team analyzed the implications of such metrics as scientific citations, trends in the movement of researchers, patents, and national spending on R&D. They found:

  • “China’s overall technological strength has gradually increased. … However, China still has a long way to go from being a quantitatively strong country in science and technology to being a qualitatively strong country in science and technology.”
  • “China still lags far behind the United States in terms of the number of highly cited papers and in paper originality.”
  • “Both China and the U.S. face losses from [technological] decoupling, both at the technical and industrial levels, but China’s losses may be greater at present.”
The report also notes that China still spends much less on basic research than the United States, both in terms of absolute amount and as a proportion of total R&D funding. And the Chinese brain drain is continuing: “A considerable number of overseas students choose to stay and develop their careers in the United States after obtaining STEM [science, technology, engineering, and math] doctorates in American universities,” the authors write.

The report “makes a refreshingly clear and honest appraisal of China’s strengths and weaknesses, and while scientific experts might challenge some of its narrower conclusions, the overall assessment seems about right,” says Farnsworth, who was previously a vice president at the American Council on Education and dealt extensively with Chinese universities.

The IISS study assesses each country’s strength in three areas of technology: artificial intelligence (AI), information technologies, and aerospace. The United States clearly leads in such areas as integrated circuits, computer operating systems, AI chips, and algorithms, the report says. China has strong positions in next-generation mobile communications, facial and speech recognition, and computer vision. When it comes to aerospace, “the United States is absolutely leading,” the authors write. Summing up, China is “following [the United States] in most fields, running side by side in a few, and leading in very few,” the authors write. That conclusion echoes findings in The State of U.S. Science and Engineering 2022, published by the U.S. National Science Foundation, which confirms China has overtaken the United States as the world’s leader in several key scientific metrics.

The fears of a decoupling voiced in the report echo two recent surveys of Chinese scholars in the United States, who also worry about the state of scientific cooperation between the two countries. One was conducted by the University of Michigan’s Association of Chinese Professors and another by the Committee of 100, a group of prominent Chinese Americans. Both surveys concluded that current U.S. policies, particularly the Department of Justice’s China Initiative to crack down on alleged theft of U.S. intellectual property, are discouraging Chinese-U.S. scientific cooperation, to the detriment of the United States.

Guojun Sheng, a Chinese developmental biologist working at Kumamoto University in Japan—who’s not directly collaborating with U.S. researchers himself—worries the relationship between the countries “will morph into one full of paranoid suspicion, unless the two governments come up with a new model of coexistence.”

Simon agrees. “We need new bilateral agreements,” he says. Current cooperative agreements date back 40 years, when China was a developing country. New agreements, recognizing the two countries are closer to technological parity, could tackle issues that have recently plagued the relationship, starting with protections for intellectual property, Simon says.

https://www.science.org/content/art...-china-s-technological-weaknesses-then-report

China has made stealing technologies as the driving force of new development of high tech stuff. By rdverse engineering and stealing, you xan definitely develop some substandard product but can never be on top.
 
China has made stealing technologies as the driving force of new development of high tech stuff. By rdverse engineering and stealing, you xan definitely develop some substandard product but can never be on top.
Yes, like steal 5G from US. Or building record breaking infrastructure feat which seems like no one to steal from. :enjoy:
 
Yes, like steal 5G from US. Or building record breaking infrastructure feat which seems like no one to steal from. :enjoy:

Building infrastructure is not research and development. I don't know whether it is considered as R&D in China like China is considered a democracy by majority of Chinese.
 
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